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post #7921 of 9844
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

"Sorry I caused such problems..."

perhaps it would be a good idea for you to go back to your posts where you made the comments that got lots of people's panties all bunched up and indicate that the speaker was all goofed up. at least that will help mitigate some of the damage as other folks come along, perform searches, and read past posts on the speaker.

just a thought...

I am still confused why it caused such confusion. I thought I was clear that something was wrong but I guess people worry.

I will take a look when I get a chance
post #7922 of 9844
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

"Sorry I caused such problems..."

perhaps it would be a good idea for you to go back to your posts where you made the comments that got lots of people's panties all bunched up and indicate that the speaker was all goofed up. at least that will help mitigate some of the damage as other folks come along, perform searches, and read past posts on the speaker.

just a thought...

+1
post #7923 of 9844
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

I am still confused why it caused such confusion. I thought I was clear that something was wrong but I guess people worry.

I will take a look when I get a chance

Why don't you just go back to your posts, NOW! Others seem to have the time to help you with your speakers for FREE, so the least you could do is find time to delete your negative posts.
post #7924 of 9844
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Originally Posted by rajacat View Post

Why don't you just go back to your posts, NOW! Others seem to have the time to help you with your speakers for FREE, so the least you could do is find time to delete your negative posts.

I'll bite my tongue on this response but if Erich feels it is urgent then I will....

It will take some time to find the posts and I'm not even sure what to do besides delete them
post #7925 of 9844
Nah, watch rajacat bite his tongue and ask him how much he loves group buys from AE. JUST KIDDING rajacat! tongue.gif

post #7926 of 9844
Not too big of a deal right now. In the end, they really aren't 'my' speaker, they're Jeff's.

I think many people worry about getting new speakers and want to make sure other's like them first. Even though a lot of the Fusion-8's have been ordered, most people forget to leave reviews. So when someone goes looking for information and they see a post saying the speaker sounds worse than a TV speaker, they worry about ordering them, or any DIY speaker for that matter.

In this case, it just happened to be an issue with assembly, but it initially read as if they were just badly designed speakers. It will all get worked out in the end.
post #7927 of 9844
When it comes to reviews of commercial speakers, all it takes is a magazine or a few users on amazon to say "wow these are the best" and they'll sell easy. When it comes to DIY speakers, there's a whole lot of hesitation. All it takes is one persons bad experience and others will become reluctant to try. It's already a major leap for most people (like it was for you I'm sure) to try and build their own speakers. A bad review and they just walk away.

I gotta agree you should go back and re-evaluate what was said about them and clarify. You did describe how they sound, and it was described as very bad. When I read it, there was no reason to believe the speaker was actually physically broken. After all, we were giving you suggestions like placement, measurements, stuffing, etc. If we thought that, others will too. You did have the XO'ers fixed up by someone who knows what they're doing after all. And that was stated when you made your comments about the poor sound.

I wouldn't doubt if Erich eats the cost of a damaged woofer (or two) without even bothering to mention it. I think you can prioritize your actions to make things right. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes to carry out a search.
post #7928 of 9844
How did the hole get in the woofer? And was that mentioned in his posts asking for help, ya know, that there is a hole in the woofer? Pics please? Kudos to you Erich, you went the extra mile for sure.



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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

Goonstopher, there have been a lot of people email me worried about ordering the Fusion-8 after your review of them sounding bad. I just had another email today saying they were hoping to order Jeff's speaker but were worried after reading your thoughts.
To be honest, I haven't had a chance to get inside the speaker yet because I opened the package last night. But the first thing I did notice was the hole in the woofer, which you already knew about. It looks like you had some problems installing the waveguide, so there was an air leak around that because it wasn't in the recess. But I went ahead and hooked it up anyway. Stepped back about 10' and turned on some music and thought.....okay something is very wrong here and sounds just like you mentioned. I'm very surprised you didn't find the problem before your comments above.

You said this:
Did you know that your compression driver isn't even on? You've been listening to a crossed over woofer...... with a hole in it's cone. wink.gifeek.gif


I'm going to help you fix this speaker, but you have to realize that what you were listening to is an incomplete speaker with a busted woofer. If I get time at lunch, I'll open it up and see what's going on.
post #7929 of 9844
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Originally Posted by robotbunny View Post

Nah, watch rajacat bite his tongue and ask him how much he loves group buys from AE. JUST KIDDING rajacat! tongue.gif

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That's OK, I don't take it personally,smile.gif . Of course the AE situation isn't exactly a parallel to goonstoper's problem. I' did issue a lot of complaints about the AE group buy but it did take, hmmm...., if I recall accurately, over 8 months before my drivers were shipped.eek.gif Oh well, no point in rehashing that situation.rolleyes.gif
post #7930 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Sepen View Post

How did the hole get in the woofer? And was that mentioned in his posts asking for help, ya know, that there is a hole in the woofer? Pics please? Kudos to you Erich, you went the extra mile for sure.

Its a TINY hole. I was putting in the woofer and the screwdriver slipped BUT the problems happened before the hole.
post #7931 of 9844
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

Its a TINY hole. I was putting in the woofer and the screwdriver slipped BUT the problems happened before the hole.

Ahh...thanks, and sorry you had so much trouble, believe me, I have been there. smile.gif
post #7932 of 9844
That's cool Roy. I couldn't resist pokin' ya (as one of the most 'vocal' supporters wink.gif)...I was in line right there with you. biggrin.gif Water under the bridge...I'm just glad everything worked out in the end.

How's the SEOS-18 / TD15M / BA750 project coming along?

-Nate
post #7933 of 9844
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

When it comes to reviews of commercial speakers, all it takes is a magazine or a few users on amazon to say "wow these are the best" and they'll sell easy. When it comes to DIY speakers, there's a whole lot of hesitation. All it takes is one persons bad experience and others will become reluctant to try. It's already a major leap for most people (like it was for you I'm sure) to try and build their own speakers. A bad review and they just walk away.

I gotta agree you should go back and re-evaluate what was said about them and clarify. You did describe how they sound, and it was described as very bad. When I read it, there was no reason to believe the speaker was actually physically broken. After all, we were giving you suggestions like placement, measurements, stuffing, etc. If we thought that, others will too. You did have the XO'ers fixed up by someone who knows what they're doing after all. And that was stated when you made your comments about the poor sound.

I wouldn't doubt if Erich eats the cost of a damaged woofer (or two) without even bothering to mention it. I think you can prioritize your actions to make things right. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes to carry out a search.

+1. I was on the fence about purchasing the Fusion 10 Pure, as I have never done a DIY speaker. After reading Goon's posts, I hesitated for a few days, wondering what the problems were and if I would be getting in over my head. Now that things are being discussed openly and being explained, I do feel better even though I ordered Wednesday morning. Erich told me it shouldn't be too difficult to build the speakers, especially since I bought the assembled crossovers. I just have to take my time.
post #7934 of 9844
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Originally Posted by mmarki View Post

I just have to take my time.

The key to success.

So easy to get excited and rush things. And if you're unsure, post the question. Pictures help too. With the assembled cross overs, you'll get through it.

Ryan
post #7935 of 9844
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

The key to success.

So easy to get excited and rush things. And if you're unsure, post the question. Pictures help too. With the assembled cross overs, you'll get through it.

Ryan

Thanks Ryan. I plan on starting a thread once I start the build, including pictures and lot of dumb questions too. Hopefully my mistakes and eventual progress will help others that are new to this.
Matt
post #7936 of 9844
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Originally Posted by robotbunny View Post

That's cool Roy. I couldn't resist pokin' ya (as one of the most 'vocal' supporters wink.gif)...I was in line right there with you. biggrin.gif Water under the bridge...I'm just glad everything worked out in the end.

How's the SEOS-18 / TD15M / BA750 project coming along?

-Nate

Hi Nate,

The SEOS-18 / TD15M / BA750 project is on hold for the time being.frown.gif It took so long for me to get all the parts together that I started a large home remodeling project in the interim and unfortunately that's the current elephant in the room. As soon I can get the wide plank T&G pine installed in the living room/kitchen area, I'll start building the constrained layer TD15M boxes.

..Roy
post #7937 of 9844
I guess you didnt really hear the horn after all then, goonstopher tongue.gif
post #7938 of 9844
Sounds like a need for a testing and troubleshooting write-up to include with the kits (and posted as an FAQ).

Anyone got a write up of how to test a crossover assembly before the drivers are installed? Something as simple as a table of resistance measurements between the +/- inputs and tweeter (or woofer) +/- outputs can be used to help ID an assembly problem. Less than 5 minutes required to to generate the table the first time and even faster to test if the drivers aren't in the way. Multi-meters are cheap and everyone should have one.

Of course a scaled drawing of the crossovers with point-to-point wiring indicated is almost as good as assembled crossovers.
post #7939 of 9844
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Originally Posted by mobeer4don View Post

Sounds like a need for a testing and troubleshooting write-up to include with the kits (and posted as an FAQ).

Anyone got a write up of how to test a crossover assembly before the drivers are installed? Something as simple as a table of resistance measurements between the +/- inputs and tweeter (or woofer) +/- outputs can be used to help ID an assembly problem. Less than 5 minutes required to to generate the table the first time and even faster to test if the drivers aren't in the way. Multi-meters are cheap and everyone should have one.

Of course a scaled drawing of the crossovers with point-to-point wiring indicated is almost as good as assembled crossovers.

+1
post #7940 of 9844
I'm not sure many have a multimeter, and they can't confirm a XO even if you do have one. Better schematics might help some people.
post #7941 of 9844
Not sure if this is the best thread to comment in but, I had bought a set of Alpha 8 Minons w/ flatpack last month and was a first time DIYer and schematic reader. Didn't know whether to stuff the cabinets, what the foamed tape was for, and how to even begin assembly of the crossovers. After some emails between Elrich and Matt, some additional research through forums, I had the whole thing assembled. Elrich was very supportive and encouraging. Matt also responded quickly and fixed issues with my first crossover. Overall very happy with the experience. The second crossover looked much better then the first. The assembly of the crossover was probably the most satisfying part of it, other then the sound quality.

I have a pair of jbl l890's, and these alpha 8's are much more open. The jbl's aren't too shabby, but when turned up, the volume peaks and dynamics aren't that great. Different story on the alpha 8's though, dynamics are all there. The speakers were finished in a dark copper metallic color so I got the wife seal of approval. She didn't even mind if I purchased another set, towers though. Hoping some SEOS 10 towers get released in the future with flat packs, if not, then a subwoofer flatpack maybe the next big purchase. Thanks Elrich for making the DIY experience so painless.
post #7942 of 9844
I haven't gotten to a computer I use my phone or I'd have fixed it all by now. I'll go back and copy a link to Erich's answer into all my other posts so we can answer the questions without hiding the possible perrils a first time builder can face.
post #7943 of 9844
Goonstopher, let's not worry about that right now.

I'm still trying to make heads or tales out of the speaker you sent me. You also have the positive input wire going to the negative binding post and vice versa.

The compression driver was hooked up okay, but I'm not sure what you did with the soldering iron at the terminals. It looks like you melted the terminals and tried to fix it? But you have solder touching the magnet which might be shorting them out. Or it just melted the diaphragm inside, I'll open it later to see.

I wasn't sure what you were using to attach the waveguide and woofer to the front baffle, but it looks like it's something pretty powerful because a couple screws went through the woofer mounting flange and the waveguide. The screws are very crooked so I'm assuming you didn't drill any pilot holes in the MDF.

We're going to have to start from square one on this build to get it right. Right now, the CD terminals are melted and not working at all, the waveguide was very crooked with one side recessed and one side up about .25" with an air leak. There's a hole in the woofer, and the inputs are reversed. So we just need to start over.
post #7944 of 9844
WOW......WOW.
post #7945 of 9844
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post #7946 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

Goonstopher, let's not worry about that right now.

I'm still trying to make heads or tales out of the speaker you sent me. You also have the positive input wire going to the negative binding post and vice versa.

The compression driver was hooked up okay, but I'm not sure what you did with the soldering iron at the terminals. It looks like you melted the terminals and tried to fix it? But you have solder touching the magnet which might be shorting them out. Or it just melted the diaphragm inside, I'll open it later to see.

I wasn't sure what you were using to attach the waveguide and woofer to the front baffle, but it looks like it's something pretty powerful because a couple screws went through the woofer mounting flange and the waveguide. The screws are very crooked so I'm assuming you didn't drill any pilot holes in the MDF.

We're going to have to start from square one on this build to get it right. Right now, the CD terminals are melted and not working at all, the waveguide was very crooked with one side recessed and one side up about .25" with an air leak. There's a hole in the woofer, and the inputs are reversed. So we just need to start over.

o.O
post #7947 of 9844
o.O indeed...
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o.O
post #7949 of 9844
Face palm.... I need someone to help me with my speakers of they will never get done right... I had no idea it was so bad
post #7950 of 9844
Do you want me to take some photos of yours along the way while I make a new one and get it all figured out?

Your box assembly looks okay, but it would be better to have someone help with the other stuff.
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