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post #7951 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

Do you want me to take some photos of yours along the way while I make a new one and get it all figured out?

Your box assembly looks okay, but it would be better to have someone help with the other stuff.

Anything you can do is greatly appreciated. This is all more then I could have hoped for so it's up to you what you feel you can reasonably do to help.
post #7952 of 9844
Maybe take some photos and then have a small picture tutorial of what TO DO and a picture of what NOT TO DO. I am not trying to be mean but think having pictures of this might help anyone else new to building to see pictures. Either way just a suggestion.
post #7953 of 9844
im sure there are many here who would be willing to help you out
myself being one of them
post #7954 of 9844
I think it would be a good idea to have some basic tips either on the site or a printout with the kits. Things like hand tightening the screws for the woofer and waveguide. With the gasket these don't need to be really cranked down. I put a slight depression on one woofer for my overnight sensations, just hand tightening it, so some care is needed here. Stick in a reminder to check the alignment of panels when everything is clamped, since they can move around a bit.

I don't know if these kits have instructions (my OS didn't), but a list of components not included with the kit, size of the spade connectors on the speakers, a suggestion for the amount of stuffing, or lining where appropriate would help people out. Anything people are calling about can be stuck on the site or with the kit to streamline the process for first time builders. There are some sites with good soldering techniques as well. With the flat packs and pre-cut baffle with these kits, I expect you are getting a lot of first time builders ordering these.
post #7955 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Mike-ht View Post

I think it would be a good idea to have some basic tips either on the site or a printout with the kits. Things like hand tightening the screws for the woofer and waveguide. With the gasket these don't need to be really cranked down. I put a slight depression on one woofer for my overnight sensations, just hand tightening it, so some care is needed here. Stick in a reminder to check the alignment of panels when everything is clamped, since they can move around a bit.

I don't know if these kits have instructions (my OS didn't), but a list of components not included with the kit, size of the spade connectors on the speakers, a suggestion for the amount of stuffing, or lining where appropriate would help people out. Anything people are calling about can be stuck on the site or with the kit to streamline the process for first time builders. There are some sites with good soldering techniques as well. With the flat packs and pre-cut baffle with these kits, I expect you are getting a lot of first time builders ordering these.

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Originally Posted by Sibuna View Post

im sure there are many here who would be willing to help you out
myself being one of them

I ordered 3 Fusion 10 Pure last week. I plan on starting a thread for the build with lots of pics. It will be my first build so I will be taking lots of notes and asking lots of questions, which I know will be answered here. After I complete the build (don't know how long it will take me), I'd be willing to put together some type of list of parts/things needed and also some basic instructions. That is, as long as Erich and the speaker designers approve it. Maybe it cam be included in the kits, or a PDF or something? The way I look at it is, if I can do it, anyone can. Maybe this will help future DIY'ers, like me, attempting a first build.
Matt
post #7956 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Mike-ht View Post

I think it would be a good idea to have some basic tips either on the site or a printout with the kits. Things like hand tightening the screws for the woofer and waveguide. With the gasket these don't need to be really cranked down. I put a slight depression on one woofer for my overnight sensations, just hand tightening it, so some care is needed here. Stick in a reminder to check the alignment of panels when everything is clamped, since they can move around a bit. .

Basic tips would be great. I was a first time Diyer as well and had to find out what the foam tape was for. Was also unsure how tightly to tighten the screws, and how much stuffing would be needed or if stuffing would even be needed. I had to search some forums to find that out. If there were a set of instructions, that would of sped things a lot greatly. A parts list would definitely be useful for newbs.
post #7957 of 9844
Anyone with questions can always start a build thread. There are lots of people who donate advice and tips on here. No reason to go at it blind and then wonder why it didn't work. The info is out there you just have to go get it.

Remember this is Do it Yourself.
post #7958 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Mike-ht View Post

I think it would be a good idea to have some basic tips either on the site or a printout with the kits. Things like hand tightening the screws for the woofer and waveguide. With the gasket these don't need to be really cranked down. I put a slight depression on one woofer for my overnight sensations, just hand tightening it, so some care is needed here. Stick in a reminder to check the alignment of panels when everything is clamped, since they can move around a bit.

I don't know if these kits have instructions (my OS didn't), but a list of components not included with the kit, size of the spade connectors on the speakers, a suggestion for the amount of stuffing, or lining where appropriate would help people out. Anything people are calling about can be stuck on the site or with the kit to streamline the process for first time builders. There are some sites with good soldering techniques as well. With the flat packs and pre-cut baffle with these kits, I expect you are getting a lot of first time builders ordering these.
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Originally Posted by antiprnt View Post

Basic tips would be great. I was a first time Diyer as well and had to find out what the foam tape was for. Was also unsure how tightly to tighten the screws, and how much stuffing would be needed or if stuffing would even be needed. I had to search some forums to find that out. If there were a set of instructions, that would of sped things a lot greatly. A parts list would definitely be useful for newbs.

There is a DIY-FAQ sticky at the top of this forum with a lot of great construction tips. Please be sure to add any tips you may have.
post #7959 of 9844
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Originally Posted by Sibuna View Post

im sure there are many here who would be willing to help you out
myself being one of them

Thank You - I just wonder how long a drive it would be out there. My old car can still get around but not sure a 12 hour round trip would work too well.

What part of NY are you in?
post #7960 of 9844
south of rochester
post #7961 of 9844
320 miles - 5 hours... If I get desperate enough (and that looks plausible), I may have to make the treck to get some much needed help.
post #7962 of 9844
you could also just ship them, or find someone closer. also im pretty sure we (the community) could help you through use of lots of pictures
post #7963 of 9844
Erich - Will you be bringing back flatpacks for the anarchy tapered horn once the group buy for the woofers is finished?
post #7964 of 9844
Some nice new drivers from B&C and FaitalPRO, ribbons from Dayton, and woofers at Parts Express today.
post #7965 of 9844
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

Some nice new drivers from B&C and FaitalPRO, ribbons from Dayton, and woofers at Parts Express today.

Anything good ?
post #7966 of 9844
^Cool. PE carrying Faital Pro...free shipping too. It would be nice to work with the 15fh520 (10lbs.) and a SEOS-15. I like the off axis response of the 12fh520 a little better though...

-Nate
post #7967 of 9844
I'm using the Faital HF144 with good success. Usable down to 650 Hz (LR4). But needs significant EQ work on a SEOS horn.

I wish they carried the Beyma line, especially the CP755 models. Those look sweet (but $$$).
post #7968 of 9844
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Originally Posted by rahula7 View Post

I'm using the Faital HF144 with good success. Usable down to 650 Hz (LR4). But needs significant EQ work on a SEOS horn. I wish they carried the Beyma line, especially the CP755 models. Those look sweet (but $$$).
Which waveguide?
post #7969 of 9844
Must be the seos-18 with 1.4" throat with that cd.
post #7970 of 9844
Could also be the SEOS-24...or a different waveguide as the 1.4" entrance SEOS-18 wasn't available yet during the last Poland GB.
post #7971 of 9844
Ya, I thought that too. Maybe he's using it with the seos-18 he ordered on the gb?
post #7972 of 9844
Hey guys, I have some SEOS and DIYsoundgroup related questions I hope you can help me with.

I'm in the processing of choosing a design and doing a stereo pair build for my garage workshop and outdoor parties. I am starting a theater project and home remodel soon so these will likely get used for sound either in my workshop and garage or moved into the project area (whole second floor frame up remodel) or my theater.

I am looking for something with good output for parties, and such. I tend to crank it up when I working to hear it well over drills, saws etc.. and because like to rock out biggrin.gif. I have a subwoofer (dual 15" ported) running off a crown 402 (old XLR model) so bottom end extension is less important to me. Size and looks of the speaker and cabinet do not matter much at all. I would like something that has good output, good sound, and good value. This is being built to be used, and will get used. It will get beat on, moved around etc. I don't care if it get's chipped finish, or a little sawdust or paint or spackle on them. But as such I don't want to go with a $1000 build. My budget is probably $200-$300 or even possibly $400 but I am flexible on this all. It's more a matter of value, and how much do I want to invest into this. If I could get a bunch more sound and output for a little more $ I would consider it, but if it's really small I would save the cash.

My goals:
-My first try DIY speaker project (Learn, make mistakes, gain experience on a project that would allow for such)
-Very high value
-Good sound and output.

I am having a problem understanding the differences between a Karma, Fusion, Alpha Minion etc. I understand they have different designers and use different parts but what I do not understand is what the difference in those parts is or the difference in the results of the kits. Looking for some good advice!

The Karma 8 looks like a winner. It uses the 8" Celestion for $49 which seems reasonable - and a cheaper tweeter. The price is in my budget area. But I have no clue how it sounds, how loud it plays etc..

What I really want to try to understand is exactly what do I get if I spend a little more. For Example the Alpha 8 Minion uses a higher quality B&C driver for $108 right ? So I assume there is something there, but I have trouble understanding it. Also uses the DNA205 tweeter- so again I assume something there too. Just don't really understand what it is. Am I right in thinking that the extra cost of the Alpha 8 Minion gives you more output and better sound ? If so- that seems legit for my purpose. But is it too much ? My understanding is the Alpha 8 has more output right ?

So how does that compare to a like priced Karma 12 ?? The Karma 12 looks like a good option for me too - it uses an affordable Eminence Delta-12A 12" Driver 8 Ohm for $79. Cheaper than the 8" from the Alpha. And it uses the DNA350. Am I right in assuming the 12" might have about the same output for about the same cost by having a bigger driver and tweeter ? How does the Karma 12 compare to the Alpha Minion ? What's better about each and why ?

Then again I could step up to a better larger kit like the "PRO" version of the drive the Eminence Delta Pro-12A 12" for $135 and a DNA360. Am I right in again thinking the better PRO driver and the better 360 tweeter will give better sound? Or louder?

Someone help me pick a sub $400 pair I can use for outdoor parties, and workshop and general sound. I'd like to do a project, but since this is not my main speaker or theater project I don't want to break the bank just yet. I am looking for some good advice and value. Thoughts?

EDIT: Should I start my own thread and delete this post ?


One more thing: I have some cheaper consumer grade NADY 15" PA speakers that use a crappy tweeter and horn guide, with a 15" driver. The tweeter is just poor quality and cheap, but the cabinet is great and I am assuming something like a DNA360 would dig down deep enough to blend up with the 15" driver in the speakers. So I am also considering purchasing the DNA360 and a SEOS12 waveguide and Frankenstien upgrade my existing PA speakers (with blown crappy tweeters stock) as a hold over to save my costs. My intention would be to purchase and build at a later (soon) date a better 12" or 15" kit that uses the DNA360 and transplant them with the new crossover, cabinet, and driver.

Worth doing a whole kit versus just buying a SEOS12 waveguide and DNA360 and using my existing 15" PA speaker with bad tweeters and Frankenstein upgrade it ? I am not sure if Erich would even sell just the DNA360 without a full kit ?
post #7973 of 9844
First off, don't try the "Frankenstein" route. Without a properly designed XO you could wind up with something you don't like. Then you'll have wasted money and be left with a bad experience.

Ok, the SEOS lineup is very easy to understand. Pick your budget, pick your size, pick the speaker that fits your budget and size. Seems like your budget is about $300 and your size is unrestricted. For that you're looking on the Kharma page, as big as you can go. So I'd suggest the Kharma 10.

Bigger is more output. Not price. The nicer B&C woofer probably can output a little more than the cheaper Celestion, but moving up to a 10 or 12" woofer trounces that difference.

As for compression drivers, it's not so much output output as it is about lower XO. Most any compression driver has way higher sensitivity than the woofer. But the 360 can cross much lower so that a larger woofer can be used. So by going with the larger CD, you can use a larger woofer. And yes, the better CD can take more abuse.

Hopefully that helps some what.
post #7974 of 9844
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post


Ok, the SEOS lineup is very easy to understand. Pick your budget, pick your size, pick the speaker that fits your budget and size. Seems like your budget is about $300 and your size is unrestricted. For that you're looking on the Kharma page, as big as you can go. So I'd suggest the Kharma 10.

That's probably the best way to explain it. All of the speakers sound good. The 'series' they're in is simply based on the cost of the components. Of course if the cost of the components is higher, it could mean a better woofer and compression driver.

So basically, like Tux said......if you are restricted by size, pick the size you need, then pick which series fits into your budget. If you aren't restricted by size, pick the largest model that fits your budget. They're all good speakers. Some guys just want a B&C woofer versus a Celestion. Other's might not think it's worth it.

It's no different than any other speaker series from Polk, Infinity, JBL, etc.

Even the 8" model can handle some serious volume. But don't expect the Karma-8 to compete with the Fusion-12. If you need a LOT of sound, it would be better to save up and buy the right size model versus beating a small model to death. biggrin.gif
post #7975 of 9844
If you go top of the line (TOTL), you won't second guess if woofer B would have been better than woofer A. Until woofer C is introduced and there is a new TOTL model. rolleyes.gif
post #7976 of 9844
Thread Starter 
just to confuse things further, there are also the non-stockers...deltalite ii 2512, 2226h, td12m and td15m...which may be some of the best. :-)
post #7977 of 9844
To confuse things further how about value ? Some if those are more costly and I'm having trouble figuring out what is better, versus what is just more expensive ?
post #7978 of 9844
His budget is $300 though.
post #7979 of 9844
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

just to confuse things further, there are also the non-stockers...deltalite ii 2512, 2226h, td12m and td15m...which may be some of the best. :-)

SEOS15 / td15m / DNA 360 sounds like an epic combo. Though I don't see a kit for it, though there have been a few build threads that have this or a similar-ish configuration.
post #7980 of 9844
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Originally Posted by 3AMRecords View Post

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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

just to confuse things further, there are also the non-stockers...deltalite ii 2512, 2226h, td12m and td15m...which may be some of the best. :-)

SEOS15 / td15m / DNA 360 sounds like an epic combo. Though I don't see a kit for it, though there have been a few build threads that have this or a similar-ish configuration.

Biggest problem with that is the availability of AE woofers. Outside group buys which take 6months to a year to complete......

I do agree thought that is an epic combo.
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