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Mitsubishi WD-65C10 - Harmony Remote Won't Change Inputs

post #1 of 35
11/19/10 at 2:42am
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I have a Harmony 680 and a 2010 Mitsubishi WD-65C10 and I can't get the HDMI inputs to change. The "Mitsubishi Direct Access Codes 2009" guidelines won't work for me since my remote does not have any side buttons to set control modes.


I need to be able to switch between HDMI 1, 2, and 3 with an activity. Thanks.
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post #2 of 35
11/19/10 at 6:51am
Does the remote that came with your TV allow you to discreetly select a source? Or, do you have to pull-up a menu and select your source? Does the Harmony programming tool show discreet source selection options for your TV? I know my 2010 Samsung does not have discreet source selections on the remote but there are IR codes that do and you may have to ask Logitech to research and it add it. I have an older TV which I had to put a HDMI switcher with remote capability so that I could automatically switch between my HDMI sources.
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post #3 of 35
11/19/10 at 6:59am
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There is no option to discreetly select an imput, but rather I press the Input button which presents a menu and your scroll through that to select the one you want. The Harmony shows HMDI 1 and HDMI 2, but not HDMI 3. However switching between HDMI 1 and 2 doesn't work.

I posted this problem on the Harmony community site. It is an old remote so there is no warranty so I will probably try to call them next week when I'm on vacation.
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post #4 of 35
11/19/10 at 8:09am
The age of the Harmony remote doesn't matter. It is the same database of IR codes. Try adding a device of a newer Mitsubishi tv and see if there are additional discrete codes available and test if they work.
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post #5 of 35
11/23/10 at 11:12am
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When scolling through inputs, the number of ones you scroll through depends not only on the target, but the source as well.

I have DVR1 on HDMI 1, DVR2 on HDMI 2, and Blu-Ray on HDMI 3. If I want to switch from Blu-Ray to DVR 1 I will use a different number of up commands then if I am going to DVR 2. How do you handle this?

I sure wish there were discrete codes for his remote and TV. I tried using a similar model TV which actually listed the three HDMI inputs, but this didn't work any better than my original setup.

Are there some secret commands that Harmony Tech Support can use that would make it worthwhile for me to call them?

Thx.
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post #6 of 35
11/30/10 at 7:32am
The answer to your problem is here:
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Harmon...ems/m-p/425443

Or here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1160370

I did it for both my Mits and a friends I set up for him-one Harmony One and one Harmony 676.
Both work perfect and go to the selected input directly everytime.
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post #7 of 35
12/7/10 at 10:18am
jjmpeters, did you ever get your Harmony working well with WD-65C10? I have exactly the same issue with Harmony 659 and that TV.

dan4081, the solutions you posted works only for the C9 series, I could not find direct input codes for 2010, or C10 remotes.
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post #8 of 35
12/7/10 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by ba_rt View Post

jjmpeters, did you ever get your Harmony working well with WD-65C10? I have exactly the same issue with Harmony 659 and that TV.

dan4081, the solutions you posted works only for the C9 series, I could not find direct input codes for 2010, or C10 remotes.

Are you sure the following codes dont work for the C10?

From a post bu Zuiko:
'The buttons on the remote for HDMI1/2/3/4 are the following:

HDMI-1: Rewind
HDMI-2: Fast Forward
HDMI-3: Play
HDMI-4: 0

Using the same 0090 code to enable the commands in the remote I was able to hit activity and then one of those 4 buttons to switch to that HDMI input.'

Edit: Nevermind, I see the issue you are having is your remote doesnt have the side button.
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post #9 of 35
12/7/10 at 5:29pm
That's right, here is what my remote looks like - see attachment.

Because I could not find the direct input codes, the only thing I was able to do is get the remote to switch inputs using method 3 one step at a time. This means that if the TV was turned off with the input set to something different than "HDMI 1", I have to use "Help" on the remote and swith the input one step at a time until I get it back to "HDMI 1", when I want to watch the TV. Slow and painful.
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post #10 of 35
12/7/10 at 6:03pm
Can you try this:
* Press and hold the power button until it flashes.
* Press "0" - wait for two flashes - press "0090".
* The remote is now set up in direct input selection mode.


Now try hitting the input button and then a # button....try input plus different #'s until you find one that changes inputs.

If this doesnt work report back and we'll see if we can try something else.
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post #11 of 35
12/7/10 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by dan4081 View Post

Can you try this:
* Press and hold the power button until it flashes.
* Press "0" - wait for two flashes - press "0090".
* The remote is now set up in direct input selection mode.

Now try hitting the input button and then a # button....try input plus different #'s until you find one that changes inputs.

If this doesnt work report back and we'll see if we can try something else.

I have the same remote as ba_rt and that doesn't seem to work. My TV is a 638 series (WD-65638). There is definitely a way to throw it into this "discrete code mode," but I can't figure out how to get anything working once it is in that mode. It looks like this document is applicable for everything except the 638 series.

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=...MmE4OTI0&hl=en

The manual for the 638 states that you can "reset" the remote with the following steps, so there must be a way to make this work.

Quote:


Resetting the Remote Control
If TV mode is selected and the TV does not respond properly, reset the remote control.
1. Press and hold POWER for several seconds until the
mode indicator blinks twice and goes off.
2. Release the POWER key.
3. Enter code 0 0 0 0 0 and the POWER key will blink
twice when you finish entering the code. When
entering the code, pause for a moment between
each key press to ensure it is recognized.
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post #12 of 35
12/7/10 at 9:16pm
All we need is the info on how to put the new remote into direct access mode. I posted a message on the Logitech forums too, here is one of the replies:

Re: Mitsubishi 2010 Set - Can't Change Input
12-07-2010 01:30 PM

I called Mitsubishi today and of course my barely speaking english girl couldnt grasp what I was talking about. I emailed them a copy of the C9 series Direct codes so they can see what we are talking about and would encourage anyone else having this issue to send emails. Maybe it will get some attention. Until then we are screwed.
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post #13 of 35
12/8/10 at 11:20am
A few possible solutions:

Is there anyway possible that I can save the remote button presses from my mits remote maybe as a raw file and email or post it? Maybe to a harmony account or somewhere on remote central?

I thought about maybe if we set up a harmony account with just your C10 listed and I learn the codes to it and then you take that account over and learn the rest of your devices.

If not I can check and see if I have a learning remote sitting around my big box of old/outdated remotes and I would be glad to learn the remote codes to it and send it to one of you and then you can pass it on to the next person.
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post #14 of 35
12/8/10 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by dan4081 View Post

A few possible solutions:

Is there anyway possible that I can save the remote button presses from my mits remote maybe as a raw file and email or post it? Maybe to a harmony account or somewhere on remote central?

I thought about maybe if we set up a harmony account with just your C10 listed and I learn the codes to it and then you take that account over and learn the rest of your devices.

If not I can check and see if I have a learning remote sitting around my big box of old/outdated remotes and I would be glad to learn the remote codes to it and send it to one of you and then you can pass it on to the next person.

I actually am using a URC MX-850, so I am not sure about the Harmony possibilities. With the MX-850 editor, I can learn commands to my remote, save them to my PC and then export them into a file that can be imported elsewhere (and probably converted to Pronto Hex). I keep trying to call Mitsubishi to get someone on the line who might have a clue what I am talking about when mentioning discrete codes, but I still have had no luck.
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post #15 of 35
12/8/10 at 6:19pm
Thursday Night I will see if I can add a new device to the Harmony website....Ill make it a Mitsubishi TV with a made up number and Ill learn all my codes from my Mits remote in direct mode and then see if it shows up as a TV you can add when you set up your remotes.

I believe that will work?
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post #16 of 35
12/11/10 at 3:15pm
Does not look good for direct inputs for C10 - here is a post from Logitech forum:

...Now for the bad news. I received a response email back from Mitz in the form of a .pdf image(sorry its a image so cant copy and paste) of the 2010 Direct access codes. At the end of the first paragraph it says "The C10 and 638 series DO NOT have direct function abilities and this document does not apply to these models". So we are screwed unless there is something hidden. I'm using the option 2 method and it work about 80% of the time
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post #17 of 35
12/11/10 at 3:16pm
Does not look good for direct input for C10 - here is a post from Logitech forums:

...Now for the bad news. I received a response email back from Mitz in the form of a .pdf image(sorry its a image so cant copy and paste) of the 2010 Direct access codes. At the end of the first paragraph it says "The C10 and 638 series DO NOT have direct function abilities and this document does not apply to these models". So we are screwed unless there is something hidden. I'm using the option 2 method and it work about 80% of the time
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post #18 of 35
12/12/10 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by ba_rt View Post

Does not look good for direct input for C10 - here is a post from Logitech forums:

Wow, that is not good. I really have a hard time believing they would build a TV that would not take discrete inputs, but maybe I am wrong. That makes me wonder if I should return the 65638 and get the 65738. It is a big price difference, but there are some other added benefits besides the discrete codes.
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post #19 of 35
12/13/10 at 11:41am
I was able to get my system to work as follows:

1) Set the TV to use option 1 for inputs: " Method 1: Select this method if there is only one source input button on the remote, and each time the button is pushed the next input label is cycled to in a set order."

2) Setup your input list as follows:
Antenna
Input-1
Input-2
HDMI-1
HDMI-2
HDMI-3

3) Choose "InputNext" as the button that scrolls between inputs.

4) Since the first time you press the "InputNext" button, it only brings up the menu and you have to press select to actually select an input, we need to add a couple extra button presses. For each activity that uses your TV, add the following extra button presses at the end of starting the activity:
TV - Send "InputNext"
TV - Send "Select"

5) Since there is no direct input, the help button will not allow easy fixes when the inputs don't change correctly. As a "fix" I added the "InputNext" and "Select" button to my extra buttons for each activity so I can manually fix things for those occasions where an IR command is missed/skipped.

This was able to take me from fuming angry that there were no direct inputs to at least be able to tolerate it. This isn't a perfect solution, but it is definitely better than chucking my $75 Harmony remote. I hope this helps everyone!
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post #20 of 35
12/13/10 at 7:22pm
My biggest frustration is not having discrete power codes. I have been setting up my remotes to have a POWER OFF function that turns everything off with discrete codes and now I can no longer do that since the only power button I have toggles the power on and off. This is really frustrating. I am really surprised that last year's C9 models support discrete codes and this year's C10s do not. It still makes me hopeful that the Mitsubishi support person was incorrect and there are ways to use discrete codes with these models.
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post #21 of 35
12/14/10 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by necrioth View Post

I was able to get my system to work as follows:

1) Set the TV to use option 1 for inputs: " Method 1: Select this method if there is only one source input button on the remote, and each time the button is pushed the next input label is cycled to in a set order."

2) Setup your input list as follows:
Antenna
Input-1
Input-2
HDMI-1
HDMI-2
HDMI-3

3) Choose "InputNext" as the button that scrolls between inputs.

4) Since the first time you press the "InputNext" button, it only brings up the menu and you have to press select to actually select an input, we need to add a couple extra button presses. For each activity that uses your TV, add the following extra button presses at the end of starting the activity:
TV - Send "InputNext"
TV - Send "Select"

5) Since there is no direct input, the help button will not allow easy fixes when the inputs don't change correctly. As a "fix" I added the "InputNext" and "Select" button to my extra buttons for each activity so I can manually fix things for those occasions where an IR command is missed/skipped.

This was able to take me from fuming angry that there were no direct inputs to at least be able to tolerate it. This isn't a perfect solution, but it is definitely better than chucking my $75 Harmony remote. I hope this helps everyone!


It's far easier to use mode 3, set up only the inputs your TV has if you've deleted any (hint, DO NOT use TV as an input name, it treats it like a built in tuner, I had to name it TV2, though in retrospect cable box would have made more sense, I named it TV on the TV because it was faster than using the stupid remote to key all that in, I wanted the labels on the remote to match the TV menus). Then just pick input next for your menu, input next to cycle the menu and select to select the input on the next screen after the inputs list. This saves you having to do custom set up jiggery on every activity you have now or add in the future. As long as your good about pointing your remote at your gear you shouldn't have any issues, and worst case the help button will still work correctly with this setup vs using custom commands.
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post #22 of 35
12/20/10 at 8:59pm
Man, this is crazy. I cannot believe there are no discrete inputs for these TVs. Has anyone found a solution yet? I am really getting sick of being able to use discrete commands for everything but still needing to manually control the TV. What a pain...
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post #23 of 35
1/6/11 at 6:22pm
Is this only an issue with the C10/638 or is it also a problem on the 738? I'm strongly considering a 65 or 72738 but will need discrete control of the On/Off. I have access to some of the older models discrete codes but would need it to work with the 738. I realize you are all trying it with the 638 but if in your searches you've heard of it working or not working with the 738 I'd appreciate the info. Thanks.
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post #24 of 35
1/6/11 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by ktrdsl23 View Post

Is this only an issue with the C10/638 or is it also a problem on the 738? I'm strongly considering a 65 or 72738 but will need discrete control of the On/Off. I have access to some of the older models discrete codes but would need it to work with the 738. I realize you are all trying it with the 638 but if in your searches you've heard of it working or not working with the 738 I'd appreciate the info. Thanks.

From what I have read, it appears to only be an issue with e 638 series. The 738 and 838 do appear to have discrete power codes. The posts above from ba_rt also indicate the same.
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post #25 of 35
1/10/11 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by ba_rt View Post

Does not look good for direct input for C10 - here is a post from Logitech forums:

...Now for the bad news. I received a response email back from Mitz in the form of a .pdf image(sorry its a image so cant copy and paste) of the 2010 Direct access codes. At the end of the first paragraph it says "The C10 and 638 series DO NOT have direct function abilities and this document does not apply to these models". So we are screwed unless there is something hidden. I'm using the option 2 method and it work about 80% of the time

Does anybody else have this document that ba_rt is referring to? I'm considering getting a 738 series but am hearing alarming reports that the old discrete codes don't work for those either. I have a PM to ba_rt but haven't yet heard back and was hoping that somebody else might have it as well.

Thanks.
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post #26 of 35
1/11/11 at 2:41am
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Originally Posted by ktrdsl23 View Post

Does anybody else have this document that ba_rt is referring to? I'm considering getting a 738 series but am hearing alarming reports that the old discrete codes don't work for those either. I have a PM to ba_rt but haven't yet heard back and was hoping that somebody else might have it as well.

Thanks.

PM me with an email address. I have the document. ...I also have the link to where I was able to download it, and will post it this afternoon, once i find it, and if the link is still active.

Regards
Spence
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post #27 of 35
1/11/11 at 10:42am
ktrdsl23,

Here is the posting from the guy who helped me out. It contains a link to the Mitsubishi document containing the method for enabling and disabling "discrete code mode". It was with this document, that I was able to capture all of the direct input IR codes and solve my problem.

Hope this helps!

Regards,
Spence


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Originally Posted by ad301 View Post

Does this help?

Mitsubishi Direct Access Codes 2009
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post #28 of 35
1/11/11 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by SpenceJT View Post

ktrdsl23,

Here is the posting from the guy who helped me out. It contains a link to the Mitsubishi document containing the method for enabling and disabling "discrete code mode". It was with this document, that I was able to capture all of the direct input IR codes and solve my problem.

Hope this helps!

Regards,
Spence

Are you saying that same method works for the 2010 model TVs? Has anyone tried using the codes that were generated from a 738 or 838 on a 638 TV? I wonder if the TV supports discrete codes, but there is just no way to get the remote to generate the codes.
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post #29 of 35
1/11/11 at 11:35am
My L75-A91 wasn't listed on this document, however the remote pictured is identical to the remote that came with my 2009-2010 LaserVue and it worked without issue.

It cannot hurt to try.
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post #30 of 35
1/11/11 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by SpenceJT View Post

My L75-A91 wasn't listed on this document, however the remote pictured is identical to the remote that came with my 2009-2010 LaserVue and it worked without issue.

It cannot hurt to try.

Unfortunately, the 638/C10 remote is totally different and is not a universal remote. Does anyone have ProntoEdit or any software to convert the learned IR codes to hex codes? If someone could just generate the discrete power codes, I could give it a try on the 638 and then order one of the other remotes to learn the rest of them.
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