Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread - Page 392

Thanks for your reply bro.

Is it easy for me to make an ISO from all those files? Can you recommend any software that I can use to make an ISO from the extracted data I have?

Lost: The Complete Collection [Blu-ray] has this so called Season Play.
It is kind of a resume option but after the new Beta FW it won't work.
I tried everything resetting factory,erasing storage, it just stopped working.

Yep. One of the few HD-DVD titles that had it. The Matrix Trilogy also has TrueHD on HD-DVD.

DD+ actually streams across and decodes fine but that maybe because it's backwards compatible with DD. I haven't managed to demux the file as everything I've tried moans at the audio track but I hadn't considered converting to LPCM so thank-you for that.

Well it's movie only as MakeMKV just rips the titles you tell it too and the video plays back fine.

I've also got Twonky looking at it as it's possible something is not working with their streaming.

Quick update. The Oppo tech guy had misunderstood what I meant. They are indeed working on allowing HD audio from MKV files for a future update

This is getting off topic.

It would be easier to start over from the original disc. DVDFab and the AnyDVD HD package are popular solutions.

-Bill

With the latest Firmware, U can play the BDMV files directly, no need to put them into a AVCHD folder anymore.

Really? Cool! Thanks for pointing that out.
--Bob

I was about to call you both nuts, but thought I should test it to be sure...it seems to work. The things I learn on AVSForum.

My test was with the AVS HD 709 downloadable calibration disc, the only BR structure I have on local storage. A "naked" BDMV folder does play, no AVCHD wrapper required.

People should test other titles, make sure it works in arbitrary folder nesting.

DLNA is as before: you can only navigate into the folders and play individual m2ts files.

DVD folders are as before: you can navigate to and play individual VOB files, both locally and over DLNA.

-Bill

I'd be happy to save you the trouble, for say, a nice crisp Benjamin. I have quite a few that I bought retail just a couple of years that I'm amazed are going for ridiculous prices. Maybe there will be a day that some of these will be released again on blu-ray or from a hi-rez download site, but in the meantime, the limited supply is quite a windfall for some folks.

I'm continually amazed. I can't think of an advantage to extracting a BDMV folder versus an ISO (or is there?), but it's nice to know the option exists.

Functionally and in size they will be the same. ISO is one file where BDMV will be a few dozen. Both are the same "golden master" of the original.

We should wait for more test reports to see if there are glitches. ISO has been perfect so far.

-Bill

BDMV folders appear and play under each browser category (Photo, Music, Movies). This is like AVCHD and unlike ISO files, which appear only under Movies.

-Bill

Wouldn't say a concert video still appear under Movies? I'm wondering where an audio-only blu-ray such as Tom Petty's Live Anthology would show up. May be time for an experiment.

He's saying that every BDMV appears in all 3 categories at the same time.
--Bob

Ok, gotcha.

Before the Oppo came along i used an HTPC for all ripped Blu ray playback. Using folder structure eliminates the need to have another piece of software going to "mount" the ISO.

Discussion about the Blu-ray 3D quality: Yes I am that guy! - I don't even use this for music, streaming, DLNA etc. I use the oppo for DVD and Blu-ray / 3D playback. Now before anybody says anything I will let you know what I have done.

I purchased this device as I love movies and I was told this is the best player I could get for under $1000 AND I think it is for DVD/Blu-ray but I am really starting to feel disheartened even a bit upset to be honest about the Blu-ray 3D playback.

The following 3 setups are all OUT OF THE BOX with no picture adjustments

First (MAIN) setup
Latest Monster 1.4 HDMI cables (Have tried the Oppo Cable and 2 Other HDMI Cables all supporting 1.4
55" LG Passive Cinema3D LED TV
Oppo DBP-93

Second Setup
Latest Monster 1.4 HDMI cables (Have tried the Oppo Cable and 2 Other HDMI Cables all supporting 1.4
55" Full HD Series 8 Samsung LED
Panasonic DMP-BDT110 3D Blu-ray Player

Third Setup
Latest Monster 1.4 HDMI cables (Have tried the Oppo Cable and 2 Other HDMI Cables all supporting 1.4
50" Full HD 3D Panasonic Plasma
Sony BDPS470 3D Blu Ray Player

I first noticed this on Monsters VS Aliens Blu-ray ACTIVE 3D (For my third time viewing it but the FIRST time on the Oppo - Actually this was the first blu-ray movie I watched on the Oppo) I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. When there was a sudden change in brightness/contrast I would notice on 1 certain point (In some cases a larger point or even the whole screen) Would artifact (Go a blurry Faded transparent black)

It would be like a flicker in video, like I said usually on 1 point of the picture usually 10-20% of the full TV screen size but as I mentioned earlier in some scenes it would be A LOT larger and sometimes the WHOLE screen.

NO BLOODY WAY WOULD THIS BE MY OPPO!!!!!!!!!!!! I SAID TO MYSELF SO I PROCEEDED.

I opened another copy of Monsters VS Aliens (I am a re-seller)
Still the same issue.

I tested several other titles. The worst being 1. Gnomeo & Juliet Blu-ray 3D All through this movie but considerably noticeable for the first 10 minutes then also the 5 minutes around the time the gnome gets his hat cut off, 2. Alpha and Omega Blu-ray 3D Multiple times throughout this movie considerably noticeable on the golf Scene, Open Season Blu-ray 3D it happens at some points throughout the movie.

This is where it gets interesting.
I plugged in my old 3D blu-ray player Panasonic 110 and I skipped to the main problem areas of each disc and I noticed it was still happening BUT BARELY! Because it was so minor I didn't even notice it on my other players until I knew what I was looking for but until now It never actually bothered me. The Oppo is the worst out of the 3 Players we have here for this problem

I have even tried mixing up all of the setups. For example trying the Oppo with the Panasonic and Samsung TVs. Trying the other 3D Blu-ray Players on my LG TV with the exact same results.

The Oppo seems to struggle while my other 2 players are cruising along barely noticing the glitch. I am not talking about a 10% difference I am talking at least 50% more noticeable (Enough to distract my eyes enough to interrupt the movie watching experience) on all TV Screens while the Oppo was connected to them. The other players I can live with watching them without complaints as I know 3D digital compression is not yet perfect BUT This is really upsetting to me still (Not in a complaining way but in a seriously sad bottom of the stomach feel like **** kind of way)

Because I wasted my money? NO!
Because this is a crappy player? NO!

Because I want the BEST playback available to me for my money and I know now that my $150 Panasonic 3D player shows me better 3D playback than my Oppo and I now have to use that for 3D Blu-ray. Major inconvenience but I am sick of noticing this noise/artifact while trying to enjoy what I have spent my hard earned money on.

Who cares about 3D you might say? ME! - It is a MAJOR part of my playback for testing (For disc sales and Support) and for viewing purposes.

Please tell me it is only because Oppo have just introduced 3D and that a firmware release is going to make the 3D playback close to what my other players do.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/end rant

EDIT* I can even pause the movie at the right point and see the glitch as a still frame and use frame by frame slow motion and watch it as it starts then gets worse and then slowly disappears. The exact same replication as the first and the tenth time over. The same time every time. It is easy to reproduce

Don't rant, email Oppo support, they're very good at responding to any problems you maybe having.

...oh, boy...that doesn't sound too good...and just when was about to pull the triger and buy a 93!...

-thts

Other potential buyers who are interested in 3D might want to hear read this as there is nobody else mentioning much about it. So I believe I have all right to explain in extreme detail the issue at hand. I have emailed Oppo (You do realize myself and I dare so plenty of other people read the information about this player from this very thread before purchasing)
Thank you.

Sorry I wasn't complaining, just saying definitely email Oppo. So many people complain on forums but don't actually contact tech support for companies.

Just double checking you're going to

I manage a computer store and am a major movie collector and re-seller

I know all about people that don't turn the power on or read the fkn manual or not contacting tech support before complaining to me believe that hehe

I think that I read that monsters vs aliens had some problems as a 3d movie. I would recommend trying out avatar or other titles.
flickering problem could be the tv. my panasonic tv has problems playing titles in 24P so it flickers a bit.
I have played some 3d titles and they work fine on my system. I never played monsters vs aliens. I have played other titles like alice in wonderland, tron, piranha, cloudy with a chance of meatballs, clash of the titans, yogi bear, resident evil 4, despictable me, coraline, tangled, and avatar.

Jacob

Let's see if I've got this right. You have three different displays from three different manufacturers. You also have three different 3D players, again from three different manufactures. You are using high speed HDMI cables for all three setups.

There are several 3D movies you've watched that all exhibit an artifact that you first noticed using your OPPO BDP-93, but on later examination found that you were able to find the same problem with the other two players, only it's 50% more obvious with the OPPO.

It's possible that no one else has reported the same problem with their OPPO players. After your post, maybe others will report something similar.

It seems safe to say that what you're experiencing probably isn't a wide spread OPPO problem. Notice the qualifiers.

Therefore, the first two things to examine might be your setup, and the possibility that your player is defective. Keep in mind that OPPO binds over backwards doing exchanges.

I would present OPPO with relevant information and see what they have to say. I would also try to reduce the setup down to it's bare essentials, just in case your OPPO isn't defective. Maybe someone with 3D experience can spot a setup issue that needs changing.

Edit: I don't think you mentioned the firmware version in your BDP_93.

I have a pretty difficult time extracting much of anything from this extensive post. But it sounds a bit like a description of an issue with 3D glasses, or just a display that is fairly poor at displaying 3D.

I've done a great deal of 3D watching on the Oppo and have never seen anything like this. There's not much in the way of cogent testing in your post, and perhaps you have made things too complicated. I'd suggest limiting yourself to the Panny plasma for testing, since it has the best reputation for 3D display. Then start by reviewing the settings in the plasma WHILE a 3D title is playing.
Start by setting it to 60Hz and turn off all extra processing in the display. The 48 and 96Hz settings in the Panny are known to cause processing issues. Use only Panasonic glasses and be certain there are no obstructions to the IR pathway from the TV to glasses.

I am not so lucky to have so many combinations, but i did have a BDP-93 with a 55'' Panasonic plasma HDTV, with included HDMI cable.

Have been playing Monster vs Alien, Avatar, Monster House, Alice in Wonderland, etc. No problem with the movie and no strange screen image.

In fact just considering all the commercial 3D movies are new and in HD already, very little addition video processing from players is needed, then how could the player have significant effect on the PQ?

Have you contacted OPPO service for any advice? I am quite sure OPPO also have similar TV/Players/movies as listed in your long post, so if it is the case, they should have no problem to replicate it. (assume your oppo player's firmware is up to date, however i doubt it has anything to do with 3D playback.)

There is nothing wrong with my 3 TVs (They are the 3 best 3D TV's in Australia. Also nothing wrong with my passive 3D glasses for my LG (No batteries required) I have about 50 pairs lying around ranging from the LG Cinema3D and random RealD Cinema pairs. With Active (battery powered) 3D I also have plenty of glasses for my Panasonic and Samsung and they are not faulty I have also tested multiple pairs trying to see if there was an improvement. Mind you I watched Dark Country and Christmas Carol (Best 3D movie so far IMHO) lastnight and I experienced no issues at all. Not 1. I am not saying this is a fault for every 3D disc but I am saying that when there is a digital compression issue with a 3D disc it seems that the Oppo has the hardest time trying to cope with it

I have not updated to the latest firmware as of yet so I am about to do that.
I used to work in a major computer and electrical retailer and was a good enough salesperson to earn bonus points which can be used to purchase goods with in the business. So as you can imagine I have completely filled my house up with goodies.

Yes I only noticed the glitch with the Oppo the first time around as it was bad enough to be noticeable as a distraction. But when investigating further and looking at the exact problem time and area of the picture I could notice it with my other multiple setups

I can even pause the movie at the right point and see the glitch as a still frame and use frame by frame slow motion and watch it as it starts then gets worse and then slowly disappears. The exact same replication as the first and the tenth time over. The same time every time. It is easy to reproduce

Just a thought, but sometimes better gear makes crappy content MORE noticeable/objectionable. Heck I've got some lousy CDs now that are absolutely unlistenable, because my setup brings out all the defects.

The point is, if you know there is a problem in that title, perhaps that's not a good title to be using for comparison.
--Bob