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Speaking of CD's.... I upgraded to the newest firmware recently and went to listen to a normal retail copy of Bowie's Station to Station. If anyone else has a copy, maybe you could try it out and see if it plays. Wouldn't work on mine, came up as "unknown disc" or something. Tried a few other discs - they all played fine. I can't remember if I've tried this specific disc on this specific player before upgrading so I don't know if it's an issue with the firmware, the disc, or the player in general.

Has this been known to happen to anyone else with certain discs?
post #16652 of 26581
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Originally Posted by KAZUKI67 View Post

Yes EU player have the latest firmware and language settings in english and have reset to factory defaults.

Are you using a region mod kit?

If you have inadvertently started UK Gladiator playback with the wrong region code, a black screen and player stopping may indicate a region mismatch: not all titles give you a specific region mismatch message.
post #16653 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post

Speaking of CD's.... I upgraded to the newest firmware recently and went to listen to a normal retail copy of Bowie's Station to Station. If anyone else has a copy, maybe you could try it out and see if it plays. Wouldn't work on mine, came up as "unknown disc" or something. Tried a few other discs - they all played fine. I can't remember if I've tried this specific disc on this specific player before upgrading so I don't know if it's an issue with the firmware, the disc, or the player in general.

Has this been known to happen to anyone else with certain discs?

Check the playing surface of the disc. Typically this will happen if the disc has an unrecoverable read error as the player is trying to load it -- usually due to fingerprints or scratches, but sometimes jam or what might be chocolate.

Sometimes you can also get this if the disc is skewed in the tray when you close it.
--Bob
post #16654 of 26581
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Oppo only supports ISO files with video content and file structure. Most folks use FLAC files for storing CDs, since FLAC supports meta tags and imbedded cover art.

Thanks for reply. I quickly did search to find tool. It looks like winamp can read audio cd to convert as flac. Did anybody try this and play on Oppo 93 successfully.

I can buy winamp instead of clone cd.
post #16655 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Check the playing surface of the disc. Typically this will happen if the disc has an unrecoverable read error as the player is trying to load it -- usually due to fingerprints or scratches, but sometimes jam or what might be chocolate.

Sometimes you can also get this if the disc is skewed in the tray when you close it.
--Bob

Yep, I thought of all that but the surface is as pristine as the day I bought it (pretty anal about that stuff) and I tried it multiple times - still wouldn't play. Just seemed odd to me. It's the Rykodisc release. Disc plays fine on a couple other players I tried it on. Stuck it into my comp and ripped it with dBpoweramp to see if that read any errors on the disc from surface damage that I couldn't see, that came up clean too.
post #16656 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post

Yep, I thought of all that but the surface is as pristine as the day I bought it (pretty anal about that stuff) and I tried it multiple times - still wouldn't play. Just seemed odd to me. It's the Rykodisc release.

It's possible there's a manufacturing flaw in the disc.

If you get the title and bar code number to Oppo tech support, they can check it out. They might ask you to loan them your copy for a few days so they can see precisely what's causing problems.
--Bob
post #16657 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

It's possible there's a manufacturing flaw in the disc.

If you get the title and bar code number to Oppo tech support, they can check it out. They might ask you to loan them your copy for a few days so they can see precisely what's causing problems.
--Bob

Thanks man, I'll look into doing that. Little bit of a hassle but I might out of sheer curiosity.
post #16658 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

What do you mean by "hdmi link"? I'm guessing that's a marketing name for some company's proprietary device control protocol over HDMI, but rather than guess, I'll just ask.
--Bob

It is on my Epson projector.
From what I am reading it is cec Hdmi link or some comanies call it E link.
It is a standard for controlling other components that passes remote control through the hdmi cable.
This is from the Epson manual

"When you connect HDMI CEC-compatible devices to the projector with HDMI cables, you can control them using the HDMI Link control buttons on the projector's remote control. This lets you use just one remote control to operate many commonly used features on all your devices.
In a typical configuration, your DVD player may be connected to the projector through an amplifier or home theater system. Even if the amplifier does not conform to the HDMI CEC standard, you can still use the projector's HDMI Link control buttons to operate the DVD player as long as the DVD player conforms to the HDMI CEC standard."
post #16659 of 26581
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Originally Posted by wabbit636 View Post

For those interested, the difference so far from the original CD and the FLAC file is the sound of the voice and how natural and projected it is (CD is an acoustic solo album by Jackson Browne). It sounded like the voice was now coming from behind a screen or thin curtain.

With troubleshooting of this nature, it is essential to reduce the variables down to one each time, or else you will be chasing your tail.

That is, compare wav and FLAC on the Oppo with the same output, to confirm to yourself that the conversion is lossless; then compare wav and CD and FLAC and CD on the Oppo with the same output, to detect if there are differences. Never use a different machine to compare different forms of the data as that introduces multiple variables.

I'm always a little suspicious about converting wav to FLAC in case the conversion changes the parameters, such as 44.1kHz->48kHz or 16 bit->24 bit, which probably would colour the output. It's important to know exactly what the FLAC conversion is doing with the source and the impact of any parameters in the program.

After reading through the Oppo 93 user manual, I came across this comment:

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LPCM Rate Limit:

NOTE

On the BDP-93, the "LPCM Rate Limit" can also affect the analog audio performance. Setting to "192K" may help to get the best analog audio quality.

I find this a curious statement as I was under the impression that the LPCM Rate Limit setting did not upsample the audio, yet the statement indicates some impact and so I'm wondering whether this may be a factor in the OP's results somehow.

It is remotely possible that the Oppo handles FLAC decoding differently from CD decoding.
post #16660 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Bruceko View Post

It is on my Epson projector.
From what I am reading it is cec Hdmi link or some comanies call it E link.
It is a standard for controlling other components that passes remote control through the hdmi cable.
This is from the Epson manual

"When you connect HDMI CEC-compatible devices to the projector with HDMI cables, you can control them using the HDMI Link control buttons on the projector's remote control. This lets you use just one remote control to operate many commonly used features on all your devices.
In a typical configuration, your DVD player may be connected to the projector through an amplifier or home theater system. Even if the amplifier does not conform to the HDMI CEC standard, you can still use the projector's HDMI Link control buttons to operate the DVD player as long as the DVD player conforms to the HDMI CEC standard."

The OPPO supports HDMI CEC. The problem is that the HDMI spec allows companies to handle this in a brand proprietary way. So it is something of a gamble whether equipment from different brands will work well together for this type of control.
--Bob
post #16661 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

If you had an active HDMI connection from the Oppo (perhaps for video), then each time you switch sources in the D2 the playback gets paused in the Oppo for a new HDMI handshake. That alone could explain the lag you saw.
--Bob

To all those that offered assistence in trouble shooting why my Oppo wasn't keeping in synch with another CDP on the same songwhile comparing the sound quality.......there is NO issue with the Oppo. Everytime I went from one source to the next and the Oppo did the HDMI handshake it causes the cd to temporarily pause.

Case closed.....
post #16662 of 26581
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

With troubleshooting of this nature, it is essential to reduce the variables down to one each time, or else you will be chasing your tail.

That is, compare wav and FLAC on the Oppo with the same output, to confirm to yourself that the conversion is lossless; then compare wav and CD and FLAC and CD on the Oppo with the same output, to detect if there are differences. Never use a different machine to compare different forms of the data as that introduces multiple variables.

I'm always a little suspicious about converting wav to FLAC in case the conversion changes the parameters, such as 44.1kHz->48kHz or 16 bit->24 bit, which probably would colour the output. It's important to know exactly what the FLAC conversion is doing with the source and the impact of any parameters in the program.

After reading through the Oppo 93 user manual, I came across this comment:



I find this a curious statement as I was under the impression that the LPCM Rate Limit setting did not upsample the audio, yet the statement indicates some impact and so I'm wondering whether this may be a factor in the OP's results somehow.

It is remotely possible that the Oppo handles FLAC decoding differently from CD decoding.

Thanks for the suggestions. I will need to do some more testing.
post #16663 of 26581
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Originally Posted by KAZUKI67 View Post

Just got my oppo 93 player and the first disc i tried gladiator uk edition after the your player may need a firmware update etc notice, the screen goes black then after a short while the player stops spinning. Disappointing on a £500 player when my cheap sony plays back with no issues. Yes i have updated the firmware turned BD live on & off,erased the storage tried numerous different settings and no luck. The second disc (bonus disc) does play but at first start up the text on the menu's is in chinese until you figure out how to change the language. This movie been out years this should not be causing problems, any ideas anyone? Thanks.

I have the same problem BLACK Screen. Tried two different Scarface Blue Ray Disc stopped after Commercial "Universal - Thanks für buying films". The Blue Ray Discs worked on a cheap Player. Other Blue Rays working well.
Habe a Mod Kit installed directley from a German Company. Have the OPPO BDP 93EU. Latest Firmware installed included "Reset Factory Defaults and reenter your settings".
Offical OPPO UK says no support due to the reason that aftermarket modifications.
Could anyone help out ?
Thanks
post #16664 of 26581
With the latest firmware installed there remain 3 issues for me, 2 severe and one less severe:
- the player can't play all BD content from files without severe picture and sound break ups as soon as bit rates get too high (but still perfectly legal for BD content). That makes it a no go for high bit rate content. What the player can play from disc it should be able to play from files without limitations.
- The player can't avoid a HDMI handshake before playing 24 Hz content since the menu is fixed to 50 or 60 Hz and can't be defined as 24 Hz. This regularly cuts off the beginning of files played due to handshake delays. I can also not define a pre roll time with a stable signal to avoid this.
- Navigation of content via DNLA servers is sluggish compared to a PS3, for example.
post #16665 of 26581
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post

Thanks for reply. I quickly did search to find tool. It looks like winamp can read audio cd to convert as flac. Did anybody try this and play on Oppo 93 successfully.

I can buy winamp instead of clone cd.

Foobar2000 is free and very popular.
post #16666 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Wulfmusic View Post

I have the same problem BLACK Screen. Tried two different Scarface Blue Ray Disc stopped after Commercial "Universal - Thanks für buying films". The Blue Ray Discs worked on a cheap Player. Other Blue Rays working well.
Habe a Mod Kit installed directley from a German Company. Have the OPPO BDP 93EU. Latest Firmware installed included "Reset Factory Defaults and reenter your settings".
Offical OPPO UK says no support due to the reason that aftermarket modifications.
Could anyone help out ?
Thanks

My player is not modified so that is not the problem. Gladiator refuses to play back it's a universal title also. I received an email from oppo basically asking me to update to latest firmware,reset defaults erase memory. Which i did again knowing full well will not work. I think this is not an isolated problem now anybody else in the uk tried other universal titles? It's the awful menu structure that universal use causing the problems.
post #16667 of 26581
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Foobar2000 is free and very popular.

Thanks.I will download and test it.
post #16668 of 26581
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Originally Posted by mhafner View Post

With the latest firmware installed there remain 3 issues for me, 2 severe and one less severe:
- the player can't play all BD content from files without severe picture and sound break ups as soon as bit rates get too high (but still perfectly legal for BD content). That makes it a no go for high bit rate content. What the player can play from disc it should be able to play from files without limitations.

Is this from a locally connected hard drive or DLNA? I'm assuming DLNA based on the rest of your message. Are you using wireless or wired networking? If wireless, you're at the mercy of how good your wireless network is. Also keep in mind that the network port on the player is 100mbps, so with high bitrate content you might be saturating the network. A future player could conceivably support gigabit networking, but keep in mind that the rest of your home network between your DLNA server and the player would need to be gigabit for that to help.
post #16669 of 26581
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post

Thanks.I will download and test it.

With all of the additional plug-ins available, Foobar is very powerful. Besides ripping flacs, it has DLNA capability, it can convert audio files to other formats, resample audio files, and many other features to numerous to list.

A couple of other popular (and free) programs for ripping CD's to flacs include Exact Audio Copy (EAC) and MediaMonkey. MediaMonkey also has DLNA capability, and is a great media library organizer.
post #16670 of 26581
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

With all of the additional plug-ins available, Foobar is very powerful. Besides ripping flacs, it has DLNA capability, it can convert audio files to other formats, resample audio files, and many other features to numerous to list.

From what I've heard Foobar doesn't always do perfect bit perfect rips while EAC does.
post #16671 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The "Knowledge Base" at VUDU.COM agrees that HDX movies are streamed as 1080p/24:

http://supports.vudu.com/questions/209/What+is+HDX%3F

So it appears there is a problem with the VUDU app.

I fired up the PS3 last night and tested the "2 Min. Preview" for Rise of the Planet of the Apes. It also output at 60 Hz, not 24 fps. This may be an issue with VUDU apps in general. I'm pretty sure that the original VUDU box output at 24 fps, though.

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By the way, lest you think even HDX movies are "pristine", take a gander at this other item from their Knowleged Base which describes the "TrueFilm", ahem, enhancement processing they subject each film to:

http://supports.vudu.com/questions/2...+is+TruFilm%3F

I.e., Blu-ray disc is almost certainly still better.

That link basically says that the bit rate has been optimized for streaming, so that "important" parts of the picture get the most bits. This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

I don't think anyone ever claimed that VUDU HDX was "better" than Blu-ray, or even quite as good as it. But on most new titles, it's close, probably 80-90% Blu-ray picture quality, depending on the specific movie. For rental purposes, it's more than adequate, and certainly a lot better than Netflix or other competitors.

Catalog titles are hit-and-miss. Most are sourced from old DVD masters. Some look like garbage, even in HDX. So it goes.
post #16672 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post

Yep, I thought of all that but the surface is as pristine as the day I bought it (pretty anal about that stuff) and I tried it multiple times - still wouldn't play. Just seemed odd to me. It's the Rykodisc release. Disc plays fine on a couple other players I tried it on. Stuck it into my comp and ripped it with dBpoweramp to see if that read any errors on the disc from surface damage that I couldn't see, that came up clean too.

You might also try burning a copy and see if that works. Even though your CD surface looks "pristine", ya never know what lurks in the microcosm.
post #16673 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

From what I've heard Foobar doesn't always do perfect bit perfect rips while EAC does.

I agree, to ensure the best possible rip, there is no better program than EAC.

I only use EAC but there is a bit of a learning curve. Other programs are easier to use and some rely on AccurateRip to give good results. Depends on how much of a perfectionist one is I suppose.
post #16674 of 26581
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

I agree, to ensure the best possible rip, there is no better program than EAC.

I only use EAC but there is a bit of a learning curve. Other programs are easier to use and rely on AccurateRip to give good results. Depends on how much of a perfectionist one is I suppose.

Yes, a big learning curve for both EAC and Foobar2000. I use Foobar for over 90% of my music listening and as a music/movie server.
post #16675 of 26581
Can anyone vouch for the the quality of the 93's sold already chipped from Graded Exchange?
post #16676 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

. . . .

That link basically says that the bit rate has been optimized for streaming, so that "important" parts of the picture get the most bits. This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

I don't think anyone ever claimed that VUDU HDX was "better" than Blu-ray, or even quite as good as it. But on most new titles, it's close, probably 80-90% Blu-ray picture quality, depending on the specific movie. For rental purposes, it's more than adequate, and certainly a lot better than Netflix or other competitors.

Catalog titles are hit-and-miss. Most are sourced from old DVD masters. Some look like garbage, even in HDX. So it goes.

I agree that it "shouldn't" come as a surprise to anyone, but I do run into a surprising number of people here who think that because VUDU -- and even Netflix in its newest apps! -- is sending out 1080p, then the movie image must, obviously, be perfect.

Which of course isn't true.

Particularly for Netflix.

These are often the same people who are perfectly comfortable with the fact that "HD" programming from cable and satellite services is all over the map for quality -- with far too visible, "HD Lite" bit starvation and over-compression artifacts varying by station, time of day, and day of week (e.g., how many football games are being transmitted at the moment?) as the services try to cram more channels down the pipe.

All 1080p is not created equal and, yes, even VUDU is processing (i.e., compressing) their HDX streams.
--Bob
post #16677 of 26581
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

I agree, to ensure the best possible rip, there is no better program than EAC.

I only use EAC but there is a bit of a learning curve. Other programs are easier to use and some rely on AccurateRip to give good results. Depends on how much of a perfectionist one is I suppose.

AccurateRip, deserving of its own recommendation (it relies upon a database of disc drives and CDs to ensure proper CD ripping). It's sister app (that does the actual ripping) is Dbpoweramp, my choice for file conversion and CD ripping (which I haven't done in some time).
post #16678 of 26581
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I agree that it "shouldn't" come as a surprise to anyone, but I do run into a surprising number of people here who think that because VUDU -- and even Netflix in its newest apps! -- is sending out 1080p, then the movie image must, obviously, be perfect.

Which of course isn't true.

Particularly for Netflix.

These are often the same people who are perfectly comfortable with the fact that "HD" programming from cable and satellite services is all over the map for quality -- with far too visible, "HD Lite" bit starvation and over-compression artifacts varying by station, time of day, and day of week (e.g., how many football games are being transmitted at the moment?) as the services try to cram more channels down the pipe.

All 1080p is not created equal and, yes, even VUDU is processing (i.e., compressing) their HDX streams.
--Bob

Right on. For VUDU, that's what the QUALITY bar in the upper right indicates. As your connection may flucture in speed so the quality will fluctuate as well. One bar quality (lowest) is NOT the same as three bars (highest).
post #16679 of 26581
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Originally Posted by KAZUKI67 View Post

My player is not modified so that is not the problem. Gladiator refuses to play back it's a universal title also. I received an email from oppo basically asking me to update to latest firmware,reset defaults erase memory. Which i did again knowing full well will not work. I think this is not an isolated problem now anybody else in the uk tried other universal titles? It's the awful menu structure that universal use causing the problems.

I play a lot of Universal titles on this side of the pond, and I agree the programming of their Top Menu UI is, umm, bizarre. But the stuff does work here.

I know you've tried many combos of setting changes without luck, but one you may not have thought to try is to disable networking *AND* turn BD-Live ON. Set this, erase Persistent Storage, power cycle the player, draw a fresh, chalk pentagram around the player, and try the disc again.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by AYColumbia View Post

Right on. For VUDU, that's what the QUALITY bar in the upper right indicates. As your connection may flucture in speed so the quality will fluctuate as well. One bar quality (lowest) is NOT the same as three bars (highest).

Well that, too. But my point really was that even 3 bars is not "perfect" as measured against a good transfer on a Blu-ray disc.
--Bob
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