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post #17581 of 25204
1/26/12 at 2:30pm
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My Oppo 93 is just as advertised, superb.

Mine is even better, has the ISO support
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post #17582 of 25204
1/26/12 at 2:32pm
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Mine is even better, has the ISO support

mine too, but that will change as soon as I encounter a BD that requires a patch.
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post #17583 of 25204
1/26/12 at 3:01pm
I'm not sure how it works with pure hardware-based standalone players but software Blu-ray players and even the Sony PS3 require a firmware update every 12-18 months to update the AACS decryption keys. The PS3 is a hybrid hardware/software player, IMHO. I'm assuming the AACS decryption key update schedule also applies to pure standalone players like the Oppo players, as well.

This is something to keep in mind with respect to deciding to not update the firmware to retain ISO support and more specifically to the people buying another BDP-93 player just to keep a player with firmware that isn't updated and can still play ISOs. What will you do when the decryption key needs to be updated? Without the update [some] commercial discs will not play, period.
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post #17584 of 25204
1/26/12 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by Kincaid View Post

I'm not sure how it works with pure hardware-based standalone players but software Blu-ray players and even the Sony PS3 require a firmware update every 12-18 months to update the AACS decryption keys. The PS3 is a hybrid hardware/software player, IMHO. I'm assuming the AACS decryption key update schedule also applies to pure standalone players like the Oppo players, as well.

This is something to keep in mind with respect to deciding to not update the firmware to retain ISO support and more specifically to the people buying another BDP-93 player just to keep a player with firmware that isn't updated and can still play ISOs. What will you do when the decryption key needs to be updated? Without the update [some] commercial discs will not play, period.

My Sony 550 has not had an update for over 1.5 years & still plays everything I feed it in my bedroom.
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post #17585 of 25204
1/26/12 at 4:59pm
I have an Acer 22" LCD computer display that I'd like to use when I just want to play music such as SA-CD's, DVD-A's and FLAC's I have on a USB stick. I'll need to be able to see the 93's Home menu clearly from about 10' away, which I was planning to place on top of the audio cabinet in my setup. This would allow me to avoid turning on my DLP TV. The monitor's native resolution is 1680x1050, and has a DVI input. It's not a 1080 monitor, but is HDCP compliant. I want to use the component video out from my 93 to the DVI in on the monitor. Right now I'm having trouble finding a Component to DVI cable or adapter, but will this setup even work and allow me to see the 93's output without having to get off the couch?

Edit: Both HDMI outs on the 93 are in use.
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post #17586 of 25204
1/26/12 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by Geezer View Post

My Sony 550 has not had an update for over 1.5 years & still plays everything I feed it in my bedroom.

Same here. 2 year old player never had any update. Sony would probably be the first to enforce anything like this.
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post #17587 of 25204
1/26/12 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by rich3fan View Post

I have an Acer 22" LCD computer display that I'd like to use when I just want to play music such as SA-CD's, DVD-A's and FLAC's I have on a USB stick. [snip] I want to use the component video out from my 93 to the DVI in on the monitor. Right now I'm having trouble finding a Component to DVI cable or adapter, but will this setup even work and allow me to see the 93's output without having to get off the couch?

Component to DVI would require converting component to VGA, VGA to DVI.

The issue with this is that your monitor will need to be DVI-A or DVI-I. If it is DVI-D, then it is digital only and will not accept an analog video signal over DVI.
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post #17588 of 25204
1/26/12 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by Kincaid View Post

I'm not sure how it works with pure hardware-based standalone players but software Blu-ray players and even the Sony PS3 require a firmware update every 12-18 months to update the AACS decryption keys. The PS3 is a hybrid hardware/software player, IMHO. I'm assuming the AACS decryption key update schedule also applies to pure standalone players like the Oppo players, as well.

This is something to keep in mind with respect to deciding to not update the firmware to retain ISO support and more specifically to the people buying another BDP-93 player just to keep a player with firmware that isn't updated and can still play ISOs. What will you do when the decryption key needs to be updated? Without the update [some] commercial discs will not play, period.

Two possible options:
1. Play those discs using a cheap BD player that can be updated as needed.
2. The software used to rip to ISO are regularly updated to remove the latest decryption. Problem solved.
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post #17589 of 25204
1/26/12 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by scottm18 View Post

Oppo support: ...The BDP-9x series of players is first and foremost a Universal Disc Player. Everything else is secondary. If we fail to do our primary objective as licensing is removed, or studios fail to support us, then the product no longer has relevance in the market, and our company no longer can exist.

This is a lame cop-out. "This is a disc player, so you should be happy it does that. Everything else is a bonus." -- Give me a break. At what point does this ridiculous stuff stop? Like most other people who own this player, I own thousands of dollars worth of movie and music software, and forcing the media player I own to be less featureful is doing nothing to combat piracy. I have an HTPC, so I can play back ISOs in high quality without the Oppo, but I really hate the precedent that this is setting.

I can only imagine if somebody bought a car with a built-in navigation system, and then during a software update the dealership decided to remove the navigation software. "Well, it is primarily a driving machine. Everything else is secondary. Our lawyers thought the navigation system might be too distracting to you."
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post #17590 of 25204
1/26/12 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Component to DVI would require converting component to VGA, VGA to DVI.

The issue with this is that your monitor will need to be DVI-A or DVI-I. If it is DVI-D, then it is digital only and will not accept an analog video signal over DVI.

Thanks Neuromancer. I should have remembered that. I really don't want to spend money on a TV monitor, but use existing equipment instead. Grasping at straws I guess.
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post #17591 of 25204
1/26/12 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by lasitter View Post

No comment on the upconverting quality of the 93 versus other spendy alternatives?

The OPPO is a bargain in that company, and any differences may be undetectable depending on several factors.
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post #17592 of 25204
1/26/12 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

Two possible options:
1. Play those discs using a cheap BD player that can be updated as needed.
2. The software used to rip to ISO are regularly updated to remove the latest decryption. Problem solved.

That's my "simple" minded solution which is the best I can do with my "simple" mind.
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post #17593 of 25204
1/26/12 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by jonathan_little View Post

This is a lame cop-out.

Please forgive me for being "simple". It's been like that all day.

Is there any chance that you are directing your scorn in the wrong direction?
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post #17594 of 25204
1/26/12 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by jonathan_little View Post

I can only imagine if somebody bought a car with a built-in navigation system, and then during a software update the dealership decided to remove the navigation software. "Well, it is primarily a driving machine. Everything else is secondary. Our lawyers thought the navigation system might be too distracting to you."

Your analogy does not fit. Oppo never claimed that ISO playback was an included feature that the unit will have. They just added it as a bonus. You did not pay for it. It was a freebie.

If you want to use the car analogy, let's say you bought the car and one day, after regularly taking it in for service, they decided to fill up your gas tank for free. Then they decide to be nice and keep doing this every time you brought your car in. You'd be pretty stoked right? Of course you are.

Now let's say due to the economy, they can't do it anymore or else they'd be forced to go bankrupt. Would you then be upset and say using the economy and the threat of bankruptcy is the dealership's way of copping out on removing this freebie? Are you now upset at the dealership for not giving you the free gas anymore?

Unlike the navigation system you mentioned, you didn't pay for the free fillup, they never advertised it as being a perk of buying the car. It was just given to you one day for free without advertisement or notice to you. You have no basis to claim you are not getting what you paid for because you didn't pay for it nor did they promise it to you when you bought it.

I am saddened that it came to this as much as anyone, but the only person we can blame here are the short sighted studios who are unable to realize no matter what they do, they will never be able to stop piracy. All they are doing is stifling innovation and advancements/convergence of technology. Unfortunately, when the 300lb. gorilla tells you to do something to cripple your product and has the legal and monetary backing to do so, the little guy has no choice, but to comply no matter the PR backlash they will get.

The worst part is that so many of their customers who, in the beginning, sang praises of their products, support and the company as a whole, have now turned their backs on them and cry foul now that they are no longer getting handouts from them. I would understand if Oppo started ignoring emails, stopped honoring warranties or something like that, but to get this backlash because their some of their customers have such a feeling of entitlement just makes me remember why I generally try to stay away from the public.

Sorry, rant over.
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post #17595 of 25204
1/26/12 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by digitalart View Post

Batteries where shrink wrapped. Everything looks brand new and untouched. Yes the player had that protective film on the front panel.



How did it stay in the box then? One wrong lift from the delivery man and out it comes.



I purchased it from Only Best Rated in Canada. There is no sign of the box ever being taped. Only the bottom and sides have tape so it doesn't drop out.

Here is a video of the Oppo 93 (European version I think) that also doesn't have tape. I e-mailed Oppo and see what they say.


Just received my Oppo 93 from Amazon today, and it came exactly as you described yours...outer box NOT taped, but the box flaps had locking tabs that required lifting out of their slots, so the flaps would not have opened by normal handling during shipping. The batteries were still shrink wrapped and the display was covered by the protective plastic.
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post #17596 of 25204
1/26/12 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by rich3fan View Post

Thanks Neuromancer. I should have remembered that. I really don't want to spend money on a TV monitor, but use existing equipment instead. Grasping at straws I guess.

rich3fan-
I use this 10" monitor when I want to listen to audio without firing up the DLP bulb. It's a bit difficult to see from my listening position at 8 ft., but if you are at 10 ft., I would think something close to this size would work.

http://www.amazon.com/Haier-HLT10-10...7633651&sr=8-2
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post #17597 of 25204
1/26/12 at 7:19pm


Maybe I misunderstood and wasted some money. I was under the impression that the BDP-93 was a multi-region player. I purchased a UK (Region B) disk called Sammy's Adventures. When I try to play it I get an error message on the screen that states that this disk will only play in a Region B player, and then it stops.

So, is the 93 only a REGION A player? Or am I missing something?

If the 93 can't play Region B disks then I just wasted $20, but I guess I'll live and learn from my mistakes.

Thanks for any info.
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post #17598 of 25204
1/26/12 at 7:34pm
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Maybe I misunderstood and wasted some money. I was under the impression that the BDP-93 was a multi-region player. I purchased a UK (Region B) disk called Sammy's Adventures. When I try to play it I get an error message on the screen that states that this disk will only play in a Region B player, and then it stops.

So, is the 93 only a REGION A player? Or am I missing something?

If the 93 can't play Region B disks then I just wasted $20, but I guess I'll live and learn from my mistakes.

Thanks for any info.

The BDP-93 is a "Universal Network 3D Blu-ray Disc Player". The US model of the player only plays DVDs that allow playback in a Region 1 player and Blu-ray discs that allow playback in Region A player. Oppo cannot legally produce and sell a region-free player. The BDA surely doesn't want that.

To allow playback of non-Region 1 DVDs you can use the "SuperDisk" or you can go further and use a hardware modification to allow playback of DVDs and Blu-ray discs from all regions. There are a number of hardware modifications available ranging from around 50 USD to 150 USD. Some are easier to install than others. Some are easier to use than others. In short, third-party solutions exist for what you want. Do a search in this thread for "region-free mod".
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post #17599 of 25204
1/26/12 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by Kincaid View Post

The BDP-93 is a "Universal Network 3D Blu-ray Disc Player". The US model of the player only plays DVDs that allow playback in a Region 1 player and Blu-ray discs that allow playback in Region A player. Oppo cannot legally produce and sell a region-free player. The BDA surely doesn't want that.

To allow playback of non-Region 1 DVDs you can use the "SuperDisk" or you can go further and use a hardware modification to allow playback of DVDs and Blu-ray discs from all regions. There are a number of hardware modifications available ranging from around 50 USD to 150 USD. Some are easier to install than others. Some are easier to use than others. In short, third-party solutions exist for what you want. Do a search in this thread for "region-free mod".

Okay, thanks Kincaid. I understand now why I was confused. I didn't know there had to be modifications made. I think I'll leave it alone If anyone has the mod and a 3d set up and wants Sammy's Adventures 3D (Region B), let me know.
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post #17600 of 25204
1/26/12 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by ricwhite View Post

Okay, thanks Kincaid. I understand now why I was confused. I didn't know there had to be modifications made. I think I'll leave it alone If anyone has the mod and a 3d set up and wants Sammy's Adventures 3D (Region B), let me know.

there is a external mod. it hooks up to the back of the oppo 93. I have used the superdisc for dvds. it works fine.

Jacob
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post #17601 of 25204
1/26/12 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by seplant View Post

Just received my Oppo 93 from Amazon today, and it came exactly as you described yours...outer box NOT taped, but the box flaps had locking tabs that required lifting out of their slots, so the flaps would not have opened by normal handling during shipping. The batteries were still shrink wrapped and the display was covered by the protective plastic.

That video wasn't mine. I just posted it to show that someone else also had no tape on the box. I did get an answer from Oppo today. They said this..

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When we send players to dealers they are shipped in cartons. The outer carton is sealed, but the individual units are not sealed.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

So it's perfectly normal that the box wasn't tape sealed. I'm just glad the dealer I purchased it from double boxed it.

I've been playing around with the Oppo today and really like it. The only thing I think they should of done better was put in a higher quality front panel display. I looks so cheap for some reason. I have a Motorola 3400 PVR and the display on that is awesome. It has sold digits and the Oppo has those dots the make up the display.

Also I did notice my last digit to the right is less bright than the rest of them. Look at the "A" on the image I posted. It looks dimmer than the rest of the letters. Anyone else notice this on theirs?
LL
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post #17602 of 25204
1/26/12 at 8:16pm
I bought my Oppo 93 to be my Reference BD player. I love it for what its pure intended purpose is: to offer impeccable performance playing shiny discs (BD, DVD, CD, SACD, and DVD-A) at a very affordable price point. Reference Blu-Ray players from Denon/Marantz, Arcam, and Pioneer Elite cost way morebut Oppo holds its own.

I personally do not like all the features being crammed into AVRs, Flat Panels, and BD Players because it just seems like everyone is trying to appeal to the masses and there is so much redundancy.

I have always thought of Oppo players as boutique products without the high prices and I appreciate what they produce for us.

I'm sorry ISO support is gone but people are just going to have to get creative and find other solutions. Ebay your players if you're not happy and let's move on.
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post #17603 of 25204
1/26/12 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by ricwhite View Post

Okay, thanks Kincaid. I understand now why I was confused. I didn't know there had to be modifications made. I think I'll leave it alone If anyone has the mod and a 3d set up and wants Sammy's Adventures 3D (Region B), let me know.

The SuperDisk/SuperDisc for region-free playback is cake and definitely works but sadly only applies to DVD playback.

Here's the external DVD/Blu-ray region-free modification that Jacob305 noted: http://www.imegstore.com/oppo-bdp-93...rkit-p-14.html. Install can be internal or external. External installation is a breeze but this may pose problems for people who require the rear USB port for the wireless adapter. I'm also not a fan of how it looks just because I'd like it to be sturdier. It's 52.99 USD with free shipping in the Continental US. You might find it cheaper elsewhere but IMEGStore was the first place to sell it.

I don't have experience with the IMEGStore external mod but it's cheap and it can be removed when you don't need to use it so it might be useful for your use. Being able to play Blu-rays and DVDs from all regions on a player as good as the BDP-93 is extremely nice and it's a shame to be excluded from access to movie releases not available in Region 1 or Region A or when a better release of the movie just happens to be from another region.

With the above being said, yes, a hardware mod means spending a little more money but the benefits outweigh the hassle, IMHO.

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Edit: Personally, I'd go with one of the internal hardware mods. They aren't really that complicated to install and actually can be installed in from 5 to 15 minutes tops but a fair share of people aren't comfortable fiddling with the insides of equipment and that's perfectly understandable.
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post #17604 of 25204
1/26/12 at 9:23pm
hello guy i just got my 93. my firmware says BDP9x-57-0917 so do i still have iso playback
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post #17605 of 25204
1/26/12 at 9:52pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Did it look like the factory box had NEVER been taped, or that the tape had been removed?
--Bob

Never taped.
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post #17606 of 25204
1/26/12 at 10:37pm
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

Your analogy does not fit. Oppo never claimed that ISO playback was an included feature that the unit will have. They just added it as a bonus. You did not pay for it. It was a freebie.

If you want to use the car analogy, let's say you bought the car and one day, after regularly taking it in for service, they decided to fill up your gas tank for free. Then they decide to be nice and keep doing this every time you brought your car in. You'd be pretty stoked right? Of course you are.

Now let's say due to the economy, they can't do it anymore or else they'd be forced to go bankrupt. Would you then be upset and say using the economy and the threat of bankruptcy is the dealership's way of copping out on removing this freebie? Are you now upset at the dealership for not giving you the free gas anymore?

Unlike the navigation system you mentioned, you didn't pay for the free fillup, they never advertised it as being a perk of buying the car. It was just given to you one day for free without advertisement or notice to you. You have no basis to claim you are not getting what you paid for because you didn't pay for it nor did they promise it to you when you bought it.

I am saddened that it came to this as much as anyone, but the only person we can blame here are the short sighted studios who are unable to realize no matter what they do, they will never be able to stop piracy. All they are doing is stifling innovation and advancements/convergence of technology. Unfortunately, when the 300lb. gorilla tells you to do something to cripple your product and has the legal and monetary backing to do so, the little guy has no choice, but to comply no matter the PR backlash they will get.

The worst part is that so many of their customers who, in the beginning, sang praises of their products, support and the company as a whole, have now turned their backs on them and cry foul now that they are no longer getting handouts from them. I would understand if Oppo started ignoring emails, stopped honoring warranties or something like that, but to get this backlash because their some of their customers have such a feeling of entitlement just makes me remember why I generally try to stay away from the public.

Sorry, rant over.

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post #17607 of 25204
1/26/12 at 10:58pm
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Originally Posted by jonathan_little View Post

This is a lame cop-out. "This is a disc player, so you should be happy it does that. Everything else is a bonus." -- Give me a break. At what point does this ridiculous stuff stop? Like most other people who own this player, I own thousands of dollars worth of movie and music software, and forcing the media player I own to be less featureful is doing nothing to combat piracy. I have an HTPC, so I can play back ISOs in high quality without the Oppo, but I really hate the precedent that this is setting.

I can only imagine if somebody bought a car with a built-in navigation system, and then during a software update the dealership decided to remove the navigation software. "Well, it is primarily a driving machine. Everything else is secondary. Our lawyers thought the navigation system might be too distracting to you."

No it's not a lame cop-out. Bottom line is if Oppo doesn't remove ISO capability, they lose their license to produce Blu-ray players. They go out of business. Send your complaints to the MPAA. They're the ones who orchestrate this BS. I'm fairly certain that Oppo is just as PO'd about this as anyone.
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post #17608 of 25204
1/26/12 at 11:50pm
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Originally Posted by flostog View Post

No it's not a lame cop-out. Bottom line is if Oppo doesn't remove ISO capability, they lose their license to produce Blu-ray players. They go out of business. Send your complaints to the MPAA. They're the ones who orchestrate this BS. I'm fairly certain that Oppo is just as PO'd about this as anyone.

Well, I wouldn't soley blame the MPAA but I agree as a whole. A lot of people simply are ignorant of the bigger picture. Oppo is completely innocent although I'm sure they regret not removing ISO functionality in the official firmware they released in December.
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post #17609 of 25204
1/27/12 at 12:59am
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Originally Posted by gtwizard View Post

hello guy i just got my 93. my firmware says BDP9x-57-0917 so do i still have iso playback

Yes you still have .ISO playback. If you download BDP9x-61-1219 for thumb drive installation, you can have one more FW upgrade that includes .ISO.

I'm still running BDP9x-57-0917 and it's doing fine. I've got a copy of BDP9x-61-1219 for "just in case".
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post #17610 of 25204
1/27/12 at 1:38am
The word coming back through the Beta Tester channels from Oppo is that units sold through resellers leave Oppo with the box untaped (shipped in outer, sealed wrapping of course). The idea is that resellers are supposed to tape the Oppo factory box shut prior to shipment, after they've added anything they need to put inside the box along with the player -- for example an Invoice/Packing List, or anything extra they are including in the shipment.

Clearly some of the resellers goofed in the cases reported above. Of course if the reseller is packing the factory box in an outer shipping box that IS sealed it's no big deal.

I presume all this has been done at the request of Oppo's resellers. For Canadian resellers this probably also expedites getting units through Customs into Canada.
--Bob
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