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post #18121 of 26595
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Originally Posted by mpansare View Post

Yes, I plan to send a sample to Oppo. I will try foobar. I did not think that dbpoweramp can do dts (multichannel) FLAC. I tried using it to convert the file, but it did 2 channel and VLC output garbage (noise) at that point. I will see if there are other options available in dbpoweramp while converting.

Bill, I'll try mkvmerge as well and report back. Thanks.

To be honest, I haven't used dBpoweramp in a long time, since my trial version expired, so I can't remember if it does conversion of MCH DTS files. Foobar definitely does, I use it all the time. You will need the DTS plug-in which you can download at the Foobar website. FLAC is already built-in.
post #18122 of 26595
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Originally Posted by dofin View Post

Which version are you refering to ? Current is 6.9.1.0 and I do not see it. Thanks.

Look in the Slysoft forums for the latest beta release.
post #18123 of 26595
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Originally Posted by mpansare View Post

Yes, I plan to send a sample to Oppo. I will try foobar. I did not think that dbpoweramp can do dts (multichannel) FLAC. I tried using it to convert the file, but it did 2 channel and VLC output garbage (noise) at that point. I will see if there are other options available in dbpoweramp while converting.

Bill, I'll try mkvmerge as well and report back. Thanks.

If you can upload a brief sample somewhere I'd like to see it. I keep a test suite of files I check with each new firmware but don't have a DTS-WAV example.

-Bill
post #18124 of 26595
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Originally Posted by mpansare View Post

Yes, that's what I thought as well. I normally use the analog outs from the 93, so I switched to optical out to see if my pre/pro could decode it...Nada...any thoughts....or is there a way I could convert the files to multichannel FLAC? I don't know of a way yet.....

If you burn the file as an audio CD track and try to play it through a regular CD player through it's digital out to your pre-pro (which has to accept DTS), you'll know if it is a valid DTS file or not. If it still doesn't play, then the file isn't valid and it's maybe some container that VLC happens to know how to decode.
post #18125 of 26595
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

As a potential workaround for the issue of playing future Bluray titles whilst retaining ISO functionality, I thought I would mention that Slysoft have introduced a new Beta feature to AnyDVD HD called "Speed Menus".



I gather this is the replacement of the existing disc menus with a simple menu access to the playlists on a disc and should hopefully overcome the keys and menu stumbling blocks that the studios put in place for new titles that force a firmware update in order to handle them.

If this gave full access to all special features as in the original menu, that would be good. I wonder how they would be able to know though considering the complex java programming involved in some of these menus.

Right now, the simple alternative to discs that don't currently load in the player is to re-rip only the main movie out of it. I think that pretty much eliminates any incompatibilities and allows you to enjoy any blu-ray main feature on the current firmware revision.
post #18126 of 26595
I have finally decided to use the 93 for streaming. I just am undecided if I should go with Netflix or Hulu I have a DSL connection at 4.5mps and would like to know what the best choice is between the two?
post #18127 of 26595
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Originally Posted by mpansare View Post

I have a few multichannel WAV files ripped from a few old concerts. The output for each concert is a single .WAV file (approx 500-600 MB), that I can play thru' VLC (IN STEREO) on any PC. If I look at the codec information, this is what is reported by VLC:
Type: Audio
Codec: DTS Audio
Channels: 3F2R/LFE
Sample rate: 44100 Hz
Bitrate: 1411kb/s

However, if I try to play these files thru' the 93, all I hear is noise. I thought that the 93 supported multichannel WAV playback thru' a hard drive. Any ideas, or is there anything I'm doing/setting wrong on the 93? TIA.

Make sure the Oppo is sending DTS as bitstream to your AVR.

I have the 6.1 channel DTS-CD "Sting - Nothing Like the Sun" ripped to Flac. On the PC it just sounds like static. When streaming, the Oppo just unwraps the Flac file and sends the data over HDMI to the AVR. The AVR sees it as DTS and decodes it.

I think I used dBPowerAmp to rip it directly to Flac.
post #18128 of 26595
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Originally Posted by eric-t View Post

I have finally decided to use the 93 for streaming. I just am undecided if I should go with Netflix or Hulu I have a DSL connection at 4.5mps and would like to know what the best choice is between the two?

Try vudu streaming. You can watch some free previews and test your connection speed with their service. You only pay for what you watch too, so you could rent a 99 cent special and give see what resolution plays okay for you.
post #18129 of 26595
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Originally Posted by eric-t View Post

I have finally decided to use the 93 for streaming. I just am undecided if I should go with Netflix or Hulu I have a DSL connection at 4.5mps and would like to know what the best choice is between the two?

A DSL connection at 4.5 Mbps will not give you a HD picture. You need 6 Mbps minimum but it must also be STABLE, which is very rare. I would suggest a 12 Mbps connection because it normally drops far below the nominal speed.
post #18130 of 26595
After following this thread for a while and weighing my options, I just placed an order for a 93 today from Amazon, along with the Spears and Muncil disc and some Blu-rays to get me started including David Gilmour and Adele.
Ordered an Anthem MRX 300 from my dealer earlier today.
Also upgrading my internet service to Time Warner wideband (50 Mbps) and will have them setup the new modem so I can hook up the Oppo directly.
Looking forward to checking out the streaming apps, especially Vudu and will start working on setting up a DLNA server on my mac.
About time for the upgrade from component video and lossy audio formats.
Will be running through a Parasound HCA 2205 A to Vandersteen 2C mains and V2W sub, Vienna Waltz CC and will be installing some new Paradigm in-ceiling surrounds (limited placement options).
post #18131 of 26595
It's been mentioned that there is still a "bug" with the SD upscaling (The bug results in excessive color ringing either side of vertical edges where colors change.)
that has a workaround using 1080i and then back to 1080p . Is this the last known problem with the Qdeo implementation in the Oppos ? Are they close to resolving this bug ?

As to the Qdeo , is the current hardware/firmware implementation capable of 4K scaling or would that ability have to come in a new model ?

Scott..................
post #18132 of 26595
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Will the flac utility itself do it? It works for PCM WAV but I have not tested DTS.

It would be worth trying a different container; mkvmerge will accept WAV and produce an MKA file with the same content.

-Bill

Ok, I have some success to report; but I don't understand why. Since I'm not too familiar with foobar, I used mkvmerge. I converted two of the WAV files to MKA files.

Both files were then played on VLC (plain Jane stereo) on the PC. They played with no problems, and VLC reported the same codec information as I mentioned before in the thread. I then tried them on two BDP-93s (my personal player, and one I picked up for a friend that is soon flying out of country). They are both connected to a Nuforce pre (AVP 17). Both analog out and optical out played perfectly. The Nuforce displays the files as PCM 44.1 KHz, DTS 3/2+1 on the optical.

When I play the same WAV files thru' the Oppo (now I'm only hearing noise), the Nuforce reports PCM 44.1 KHz on the optical, however it does not understand the DTS wrapper (it is not displayed). This leads me to believe that both the Oppo (converting D to A out) and the Nuforce (digital in, trying to convert to analog) cannot decode the file for some reason; however, VLC does.

So I guess all is not well in the codec/container world I will send a sample to Oppo. Bill and others, many thanks for the suggestions.
post #18133 of 26595
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Originally Posted by Scott_R_K View Post

It's been mentioned that there is still a "bug" with the SD upscaling (The bug results in excessive color ringing either side of vertical edges where colors change.)
that has a workaround using 1080i and then back to 1080p . Is this the last known problem with the Qdeo implementation in the Oppos ? Are they close to resolving this bug ?

As to the Qdeo , is the current hardware/firmware implementation capable of 4K scaling or would that ability have to come in a new model ?

Scott..................

The bug you mention only happens when upscaling SD content on the HDMI 2 output, which does not use the QDEO video processing. It is not a QDEO bug, and does not exist on the HDMI 1 output which is the preferred video output.
--Bob
post #18134 of 26595
Hi Bob,

I think I need more clarifications from you after reading more about bass management. I have some questions and some statements which I hope are true. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

-It seems the standard LFE boost should be +10db, why does this player use +15db? Does it output the sub analog channel at -5db compared to the rest of the channels?

-Do all multi-channel formats going through recognize this +15db boost so when calibrated correctly, everything plays back as it should with no further correction necessary depending on mode? (I understand DSD audio gets no bass management at all, but if set to DSD->PCM conversion does it then get processed correctly with no further intervention necessary? I understand SACD does not use the boost on the lfe channel, so the player would have to subtract 15db from the signal knowing the calibration is with +15db so it is correct?)

-I thought of another way to calibrate if I can't find reference tones that output at accurate levels. If I just turn on the bass management, and play tones at 1khz ramping down to 20hz on the front channels, changing the receiver sub trim until it's as flat as possible, I'd assume everything from then on will be ok. Since the trim affects only that input, then the rest of my digital inputs will remain as currently calibrated. Though one problem with this is I can only apply +10db to the sub input. I also have to assume this type of trim is not sound compromising and only affects the amplification levels of that channel.

-I'm guessing the volume trim of channels in this unit affects the signal going to the DAC. So for maximum sound quality it seems reasonable to me to always keep the volume trim at 0 for all channels in the Oppo and do all the trim from the receiver where it is just modifying the relative gain for each channel.

-Channel delays from relative distance settings do not change the data going to the DACs but only the relative timing correct? So no quality is lost with this adjustment.

-If sub is set to "off", does LFE content get redirected to the front channels with +15db? If yes, how does it handle when the LFE channel essentially overloads the signal output because it has exceeded the max level due to the +15db boost?

Thanks!
post #18135 of 26595
Hi all, just ordered from Amazon and it should be here tomorrow. Just want to know which firmware version can play iso file. Thanks guys. so excited to get this. I also ordered the 55HX929 at the same time but the TV won't be in until Friday though.
post #18136 of 26595
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Originally Posted by Gary Hudson View Post

Try vudu streaming. You can watch some free previews and test your connection speed with their service. You only pay for what you watch too, so you could rent a 99 cent special and give see what resolution plays okay for you.

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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

A DSL connection at 4.5 Mbps will not give you a HD picture. You need 6 Mbps minimum but it must also be STABLE, which is very rare. I would suggest a 12 Mbps connection because it normally drops far below the nominal speed.

Thanks guy's. I guess I will stick with spinning the disk. Hulu site says I should be find with 4.5mbps with HD but was skeptical.
post #18137 of 26595
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

There are no sales on Oppo players, the price is the same everywhere. You can order direct from Oppo which gives them a few extra bucks and pre-registers your player. Amazon may offer free shipping.

So since both options are very close in value, which is better...warranty direct with OPPO or through SquareTrade?
post #18138 of 26595
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Originally Posted by enthuzist View Post

So since both options are very close in value, which is better...warranty direct with OPPO or through SquareTrade?

Why would you use any other warranty then from Oppo? Its 1 years for the states, and reasonable repairs if outside warranty. Unqualified third party repair is not worth it.
post #18139 of 26595
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Why would you use any other warranty then from Oppo? Its 1 years for the states, and reasonable repairs if outside warranty. Unqualified third party repair is not worth it.

That is my initial feeling, however I wanted to see if others had different experiences.
post #18140 of 26595
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Originally Posted by cuibap View Post

Hi all, just ordered from Amazon and it should be here tomorrow. Just want to know which firmware version can play iso file. Thanks guys. so excited to get this. I also ordered the 55HX929 at the same time but the TV won't be in until Friday though.

To be safe, it would be a good idea to download either the USB or CD version of the current firmware. It still plays .ISO files. If your player still has the September version loaded, that would insure you one more update.

The Beta firmware that's currently available will turn off the .ISO capability. If OPPO makes the Beta official, then you might miss the current official firmware.

OPPO does NOT load Beta firmware in their players before shipping them.
post #18141 of 26595
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Originally Posted by enthuzist View Post

That is my initial feeling, however I wanted to see if others had different experiences.

Just a FYI, you should only deal with a third party when the player has been modded and Oppo warranty is voided, or your in a foreign country where you utilize a local Oppo distributor. There was a lady who bought a Oppo for her husband on Amazon and paid for some additional warranty, and took it to the shop where the tech was clueless fixing the player. The lady received a huge response from many people asking her why she double downed on a warranty and not dealt directly with Oppo since it was included for free. (yes not very smart). Anyway she removed the post after getting help from Oppo, and from the embarrassing amount of replies.
post #18142 of 26595
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Just a FYI, you should only deal with a third party when the player has been modded and Oppo warranty is voided, or your in a foreign country where you utilize a local Oppo distributor. There was a lady who bought a Oppo for her husband on Amazon and paid for some additional warranty, and took it to the shop where the tech was clueless fixing the player. The lady received a huge response from many people asking her why she double downed on a warranty and not dealt directly with Oppo since it was included for free. (yes not very smart). Anyway she removed the post after getting help from Oppo, and from the embarrassing amount of replies.

Thank you. I will order from OPPO.
post #18143 of 26595
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Originally Posted by enthuzist View Post

So since both options are very close in value, which is better...warranty direct with OPPO or through SquareTrade?

If you purchase from Amazon (or other authorized reseller), you still get the 1 year Oppo warranty. Buying an extended warranty is a waste of money because Oppo's out of warranty repair fees are very reasonable.
post #18144 of 26595
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

To be safe, it would be a good idea to download either the USB or CD version of the current firmware. It still plays .ISO files. If your player still has the September version loaded, that would insure you one more update.

The Beta firmware that's currently available will turn off the .ISO capability. If OPPO makes the Beta official, then you might miss the current official firmware.

OPPO does NOT load Beta firmware in their players before shipping them.

Thanks. Do you know the version of the current firmware?
post #18145 of 26595
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Buying an extended warranty is a waste of money because Oppo's out of warranty repair fees are very reasonable.

Even if I order the extended warranty through OPPO?
post #18146 of 26595
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Originally Posted by flostog View Post

I used MakeMKV not too long ago and didn't have to do a thing to get chapters. I'm guessing I was using 1.70 (not at home right now - so I can't check). Also it was a DVD and not a Blu-ray disc that I used as input.

Ron

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Originally Posted by boe View Post

Intersting - were you using Window 64 version of MakeMKV or another OS?

I verified that I used 1.70. I'm running MakeMKV on Windows 7 - 64. I've only done one movie, but I have chapters. Will try a couple more, then update .1.71 and reverify.

Ron
post #18147 of 26595
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Originally Posted by cuibap View Post

Thanks. Do you know the version of the current firmware?

It's shown on OPPO's support page and in the first posting in this thread.

The first and last firmware versions to have ISO support are shown in the FAQ: Are .iso files or Blu-ray or DVD directory structures supported on external media?

-Bill
post #18148 of 26595
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Originally Posted by mpansare View Post

Ok, I have some success to report; but I don't understand why. Since I'm not too familiar with foobar, I used mkvmerge. I converted two of the WAV files to MKA files.

Both files were then played on VLC (plain Jane stereo) on the PC. They played with no problems, and VLC reported the same codec information as I mentioned before in the thread. I then tried them on two BDP-93s (my personal player, and one I picked up for a friend that is soon flying out of country). They are both connected to a Nuforce pre (AVP 17). Both analog out and optical out played perfectly. The Nuforce displays the files as PCM 44.1 KHz, DTS 3/2+1 on the optical.

When I play the same WAV files thru' the Oppo (now I'm only hearing noise), the Nuforce reports PCM 44.1 KHz on the optical, however it does not understand the DTS wrapper (it is not displayed). This leads me to believe that both the Oppo (converting D to A out) and the Nuforce (digital in, trying to convert to analog) cannot decode the file for some reason; however, VLC does.

So I guess all is not well in the codec/container world I will send a sample to Oppo. Bill and others, many thanks for the suggestions.

Ok, so the same package works in MKA but not in WAV?

-Bill
post #18149 of 26595
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Originally Posted by enthuzist View Post

Even if I order the extended warranty through OPPO?

It doesn't matter who you buy the warranty from - they're a waste of money either way, IMHO. Like I said, Oppo's out of warranty repair charges are very reasonable. But feel free to do what you want, it's your money.
post #18150 of 26595
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Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post

Bear in mind that you're halving your throughput by having two wireless hops ( laptop -> router -> Oppo) instead of one (router -> Oppo). But the real problem may be that PlayOn is transcoding your video to a format it knows the Oppo can understand -- when dealing with HD video, realtime transcoding rarely ends well.

Videos from YouTube can be in Flash (FLV) or HTML5 (MP4) format; only the latter will play on the Oppo without transcoding. The Oppo YouTube app automatically gets the MP4 version but your laptop may be downloading the Flash version.

Finally, YouTube videos vary greatly in quality but that's down to whoever uploaded them -- 1080p is certainly available on most platforms.

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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Wireless networking 101:

All devices connected to a single wireless router are sharing that available bandwidth. So when streaming video from one device to another the max available throughput is 1/2 of what it is when streaming to one device from the web. Result: stuttering. If you could hard wire either one of those devices you'd be OK.

Thanks Peter and rdgrimes ...

I find this suprising. Though my cable modem company (time warner) says i have a 15mpbs download speed line, i often average 10 - 12 mbps, so i'd think 5-6mbps would be enough for HD streaming. What is the minimum for 720p /1080p streaming?

Thanks,
David
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