Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread - Page 621

Originally Posted by leywok

Any chance the 93 will be updated with the Amazon Video App?

Originally Posted by leywok

ill wait for an answer from OPPO.

Originally Posted by leywok

ill wait for an answer from OPPO.

Originally Posted by rich3fan

So does that mean you've sent a message to Oppo requesting this addition?

Originally Posted by jeroensky

I got a upmix question about analog 5.1 audio outputs:

When playing a SACD with 2 channels, i hear low frequency over lfe output, left channel over front left, and right channel over front right.

Is their a way that the surround channels are also used when playing a stereo source?
Like:
Left goes over front left + surround left
Right goes over front right + surround right
Low frequencies of course over lfe.

Originally Posted by indeed330

Quick question about streaming video that is being stretched vertically. I use PS3 media server to stream videos from my desktop to the oppo. Recently I have noticed that it is stretching the 1080p videos to full-screen for some movies, so the universal globe looks like an oval.

I have tried changing the Wide setting on the Oppo and the TV with no effect. Also updated to the latest beta firmware release, doesn't do anything. PS3 however plays the same file in the original 1080p scale with no stretch.

Any ideas how to fix this?

Thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by rdgrimes

Not a question that can be answered without knowing how you are connected and configured. If by HDMI, your AVR is responsible for processing and anything is possible. Sounds as though you have a decoder or DSP mode applied to your 2-ch content in the AVR.

Originally Posted by jeroensky

hdmi1 = video only
analog outputs is connected as 5.1 analog to multichannel amplifier with analog input. (my amplifier has only DTS & Dolby Digital decoders, that's why the d-a audio convertion is done by bdp93(analog outputs)).
Because the bdp has downmix option (to mix 7.1 to 5.1), it'd be nice ifthe player will upmix stereo not as 2.1 (front L+R & LFE)what it does now but as 4.1 (front L+R & Rear L+R & LFE).
Would be easy to implement this in the firmware.
Parallel connections like previous poster of analog outputs is not a good idea, because of impedance on a line signal.

Originally Posted by rdgrimes

One more time: Oppo can ask for Amazon certification every day till the end of time, and nothing will happen unless Amazon shows interest. Your inquiries are better directed at Amazon. Along with hundreds of other devices, Oppo is waiting for Amazon to show interest in expanding their list of supported devices, which has not happened thus far.

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau

I think it's pretty unlikely that will be added.

It opens the whole can of worms as to what's the "right" thing to do with surround sound processing (raising a smaller number of content channels to a larger number of output speakers). Since there are established algorithms in the market for doing that (e.g., Dolby PLIIx) it would look pretty strange if the player diid just this special case without also handling the other, more "normal" stuff.

What happens now with stereo (2.0) content is not an "up mix". There is no LFE in 2.0 content. What happens instead is "bass management" where the user can tell the player to extract some of the bass from the L/R channels and send it to the subwoofer output instead. The bass that's going out the subwoofer output in that case is derived from the L/R channels. It is not LFE.
--Bob

Originally Posted by WillyJ

Thinking about buying a separate video streaming device ($50) just to keep the wife happy.

Originally Posted by jeroensky

I got a upmix question about analog 5.1 audio outputs:

When playing a SACD with 2 channels, i hear low frequency over lfe output, left channel over front left, and right channel over front right.

Is their a way that the surround channels are also used when playing a stereo source?
Like:
Left goes over front left + surround left
Right goes over front right + surround right
Low frequencies of course over lfe.

Originally Posted by jeroensky

hdmi1 = video only
analog outputs is connected as 5.1 analog to multichannel amplifier with analog input. (my amplifier has only DTS & Dolby Digital decoders, that's why the d-a audio convertion is done by bdp93(analog outputs)).
Because the bdp has downmix option (to mix 7.1 to 5.1), it'd be nice ifthe player will upmix stereo not as 2.1 (front L+R & LFE)what it does now but as 4.1 (front L+R & Rear L+R & LFE).
Would be easy to implement this in the firmware.
Parallel connections like previous poster of analog outputs is not a good idea, because of impedance on a line signal.

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau

I think it's pretty unlikely that will be added.

It opens the whole can of worms as to what's the "right" thing to do with surround sound processing (raising a smaller number of content channels to a larger number of output speakers). Since there are established algorithms in the market for doing that (e.g., Dolby PLIIx) it would look pretty strange if the player diid just this special case without also handling the other, more "normal" stuff.

What happens now with stereo (2.0) content is not an "up mix". There is no LFE in 2.0 content. What happens instead is "bass management" where the user can tell the player to extract some of the bass from the L/R channels and send it to the subwoofer output instead. The bass that's going out the subwoofer output in that case is derived from the L/R channels. It is not LFE.
--Bob

Originally Posted by jeroensky

Reason why i'd like to see this is:
-multichannel speakers on left & right are way smaller then most HiFi stereo(passive) speakers. So it'd be a nice addon to audio balance of stereo source at 5.1/7.1 amps who use analog multichannel connection inputs.
-most 5.1/7.1 multichannel amps who have analog inputs don't have Upmix option to analog multichannel inputs. So then it'd be nice if the oppo bdp93 player supports this, on the analog outputs only.

Originally Posted by Saturn94

Interesting.

I know my 980H offers Pro Logic II processing when using the multichannel analog outputs. Sometimes I'll use this on 2 channel SACD recordings, depending on the recording and my mood.

Did they drop this feature when they starting making BD players, or was just dropped with the most recent models?

I'm guessing there probably wasn't much of a demand for this feature, hence they dropped it?

Originally Posted by osogovo

Oppo 83 had that feature for a while.

Originally Posted by WestCoastD

I have resolution set for AUTO on my Oppo BDP-93/Denon AVR-2112CI set-up. Does this guarantee 1080p/24 when playing BD titles?

Originally Posted by Saturn94

Interesting.

I know my 980H offers Pro Logic II processing when using the multichannel analog outputs. Sometimes I'll use this on 2 channel SACD recordings, depending on the recording and my mood.

Did they drop this feature when they starting making BD players, or was just dropped with the most recent models?

I'm guessing there probably wasn't much of a demand for this feature, hence they dropped it?

Originally Posted by jeroensky

My Harman Kardon amp (avr155) uses the upmix function (Logic7, Dolby prologic,Stereo upmix) only with digital (s/p-dif) inputs, not with analog 5.1 input. That's why i request this in oppo player on it's analog output.(2.0 as 4.1)

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau

It does not. "Auto" means the player will use whatever the device at the other end of the cable (AVR or Display) publishes as its "preferred" input resolution.

Some 1080p displays publish 1080i as their "preferred" input resolution, apparently out of fear that something like 480p will be used if the Source is something like a cable TV box that is incapable of 1080p output.

So you should use explicit 1080p as your resolution choice.

In addition, set 1080p/24 Auto to enable /24 output when appropriate.

To get 1080p/24 output, the content on disc has to be /24 and the AVR or Display (whichever is at the other end of the cable) has to publish that it will accept /24 input.

Films on Blu-ray will be recorded on disc as 1080p/24. But "video rate" content, such as live concert recordings, will be on the Blu-ray disc as 1080i/60. And for those the player will output 1080p/60. In addition, any SD content on the disc, such as various Bonus Feature items, will be output as 1080p/60 when 1080p output is set.
--Bob

Originally Posted by WestCoastD

appreciate your input Bob.

I've watched a few BD titles on my new Denon AVR-2112CI/Oppo BDP-93 setup, performance (picture quality) is impressive. However, still getting used to settings on both units, a little confused determining resolution setting while watching a movie title.

Initially I had output resolution as such:
1080p = Auto
180p24 = Auto

I assumed BD movies would default to 1080p24 when capable.

When I select "Display" button, the parameters are listed (frame rate 23.97Hz, etc.,...), however don't see actual resolution setting value (1080p)? Or am I missing it? Or does it assume the display is outputting 1080p?

Now I've re-set video output resolution as such:
1080p = (ON)
1080p24 = (ON)

Originally Posted by saeyedoc

What are the recommended settings for a 93 connected by hdmi to an Anthrem MRX 300 connected by hdmi to a Pio Elite pro 1130?
Both auto and source direct have the Oppo and TV showing 1080i with blu-ray or any resolution of Vudu. Should I just set the Oppo to 1080i?

Thanks

Originally Posted by jeroensky

My Harman Kardon amp (avr155) uses the upmix function (Logic7, Dolby prologic,Stereo upmix) only with digital (s/p-dif) inputs, not with analog 5.1 input. That's why i request this in oppo player on it's analog output.(2.0 as 4.1)

Originally Posted by Roger Dressler

This is a 5.1 receiver, so as you noted, it cannot apply Logic7 or PLII to 5.1 sources. It does however do so for 2.0 analog or digital sources, so I do not see any advantage to processing in the BD player.

Originally Posted by Saturn94

For me with my non HDMI processor, having PLII in the player is the only way I can "upconvert" 2 channel SACD sources since SACD is not output via digital coax or optical.

I guess if the player will take the 2 channel SACD, convert it to PCM, and send it to the receiver/processor via HDMI so it can be upconverted in the receiver/processor, then in-player processing wouldn't be necessary.

I recently was considering replacing my Oppo 980H/Pio 320 combo with a 93, but at least for me currently, the two player solution I have seems to suit my needs best (and saves me from spending another $500).

Originally Posted by moglia

Waiting may be good idea. If some rumors from the interweb dark corners turn out to be true there is a group that may be releasing a method in which ISO can still be played with new firmware. My best guess it would be an updated hardware mod vs custom firmware?. Then again I read rumor a year ago there would be a mod that allowed firmware rollbacks and that's never happened, so who knows. At least hope may exist.

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau

What's shown on the Oppo's on-screen display is the stats of the content being read off the disc -- not what's being sent out on the HDMI cable.

The correct Oppo output settings for you to use are:

Resolution = 1080p (not Auto or Source Direct)
1080p/24 = Auto (not ON)
3D Mode = Auto (not ON)
HDMI Color Space = best to use an explicit choice rather than Auto, you'll need to experiment. Start with YCbCr 4:4:4
HDMI Deep Color = you'll need to experiment. Start with 36 bit

The "ON" settings force /24 or 3D output (when that's what's actually in the content) even if the display says it can't accept that during the HDMI handshake. It's for oddball displays that don't do the handshake correctly. AUTO for those two polls the display and will only send /24 or 3D if that is in the content *AND* the display says it can accept that.

It's also best to make an explicit choice for HDMI Audio (LPCM or Bitstream) rather than using Auto. Start with LPCM. If you use LPCM, then you can also leave Secondary Audio ON. If you use Bitstream, turn Secondary Audio OFF except when you decide you want to play a Blu-ray disc feature (usually a Picture-in-Picture Commentary track) that requires it.

To see what's actually getting to your display you need to look for some sort of Info display on the TV itself.

Note that if your video is going through an AVR on the way to the display, the capabilities and settings of the AVR also play a role in what gets to the TV