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Originally Posted by jeff1947 View Post

So if Netflix went belly up, would OPPO then allow firmware rollback?

Regards

Lawyers would have to look at the contracts. Someone still owns "belly up" companies and their contracts are still good, although may be written in such a way that both parties are required to perform. So there might be an out.

-Bill
post #19262 of 26632
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Lawyers would have to look at the contracts. Someone still owns "belly up" companies and their contracts are still good, although may be written in such a way that both parties are required to perform. So there might be an out.

-Bill

I doubt that we would lose netflix. I believe that we are losing blockbuster on demand.

Jacob
post #19263 of 26632
It was a very wise and sage man who came forth with the following warning to us back on 6/27/11 when the ISO feature first came out on the Oppo:

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

You have to also remember that OPPO is not officially supporting ISO. It is not in their release notes nor are they obligated to assist you in playing back your ISO backups.

Similarly, they could remove the capability through a future firmware release without any forewarning.

"I giveth, I taketh away."
post #19264 of 26632
@stefan0290, et al:
(I've read the FAQ's) I have a few BluRay's BDMV folders/files in various AVCHD folders on an external eSATA drive and they play fine on the OPPO, but, stefan, I'm not exactly sure what you did for 'regular DVD's'? Can someone go into a little more detail please?

Regards
post #19265 of 26632
I doubt we will lose Netflix either, it was a hypothetical question. Got a good answer above from Bill.

Rgards
post #19266 of 26632
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Originally Posted by jeff1947 View Post

So if Netflix went belly up, would OPPO then allow firmware rollback?

Regards

No way. I don't think Netflix is the reason why we can't roll back firmware with the OPPO. I have a WD Live+, has Netflix and I can downgrade it to any previous firmware with instructions from the WD webpage. Actually, there is no difference if you manually install the firmware, any version will work fine. Everything seems to be different in the Oppo realm, perhaps the Oppo Netflix is a special case ?
post #19267 of 26632
I'm thinking of buying an Oppo BDP-93, and wondering whether those of you with experience with it could comment on how well it handles damaged discs.

We watch a fair number of DVDs that we get through the local public library system. They have often been handled badly and have unreadable spots. This usually freaks out my current Sony Blu-ray player. It usually hangs, but sometimes displays an error or even ejects the disc spontaneously.

What I want is a player that's smarter about damage. I don't expect it to cure the damage, of course. But it seems there out to be logic that says something like, "I've found a spot I can't read; let's try 5 seconds later" until it gets beyond the damage. Or maybe offer the user the possibility of manually advancing past the defect.

When my current player gets to such a spot, even the advance buttons become unusable. It can take a long time to try to manually navigate to a spot on the disc that's beyond the damage--always with the risk of stepping in the damage again and having to start over.

So does Oppo handle this sort of situation better? Thanks for any feedback!
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Originally Posted by CharleyCross View Post

I'm thinking of buying an Oppo BDP-93, and wondering whether those of you with experience with it could comment on how well it handles damaged discs.

We watch a fair number of DVDs that we get through the local public library system. They have often been handled badly and have unreadable spots. This usually freaks out my current Sony Blu-ray player. It usually hangs, but sometimes displays an error or even ejects the disc spontaneously.

What I want is a player that's smarter about damage. I don't expect it to cure the damage, of course. But it seems there out to be logic that says something like, "I've found a spot I can't read; let's try 5 seconds later" until it gets beyond the damage. Or maybe offer the user the possibility of manually advancing past the defect.

When my current player gets to such a spot, even the advance buttons become unusable. It can take a long time to try to manually navigate to a spot on the disc that's beyond the damage--always with the risk of stepping in the damage again and having to start over.

So does Oppo handle this sort of situation better? Thanks for any feedback!

Yes it actually does quite well with bad spots on SD-DVD and Blu-ray discs. As a Beta Tester, my practice is to play rental discs WITHOUT cleaning them first just to see what the Oppo does with them.

For the most part, it is quite good about reading through minor damage. If the read errors are uncorrectable it has several different levels of recovery. Normally you'll get brief skips -- repeatable if you play back through that section. If the read error is more severe the player will automatically hunt forward looking for a place where it can resume playback. Depending on the nature of the disc damage, this can take a while as the player may attempt to restart at one location only to discover it really has to skip further along. If you bring up the on-screen display, or watch the front panel, you'll see the time code advancing in jumps as the player continues to look for a place to resume play.

Very rarely, the disc damage is such that the player can't interpret the format of the disc any longer, in which case it will Stop playback.

I've had the Oppo 93 play discs quite handily which my PS3 can't handle. The 93 also appears to do a better job than the 83 -- which was no slouch in its own right.

Note that the recovery options available for music discs are less sophisticated.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by blairy View Post

They missed me and I've been on their mailing list for years

It is possible that right now they are only sending out E-mails to customers who have bought direct, with future E-Mails going out to registered customers.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jeff1947 View Post

I'm not exactly sure what you did for 'regular DVD's'?

Regular DVDs will not work, as the player does not recognize Video_ts as "DVD-Video".

The reason why the BDMV folder workaround works for Blu-ray is that AVCHD and Blu-ray use the same architecture. Since the player supports AVCHD, the player supports playing back BDMV folders as if they were physical discs.

There is no such ability with DVD. You will need to use something like MakeMKV which can take the full DVD-Video and add put it into a MKV container.
post #19271 of 26632
Netflix the only reason we cannot roll back FW? If yes, Netflix can go.
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- I did not buy direct, but I also got the email. I did prob register unit with OPPO.

- Yes - I agree. I don't see how regular DVD's would work either, without converting to MKV container or?. Stefan didn't go into much detail, which is why I asked for clarification.
post #19273 of 26632
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Originally Posted by stefan0290 View Post

......Mount the iso in your PC, create a folder on your external usb/esata hard drive and name it something (e.g.Avatar 3D). Drag the BD folders (3 folders) from the mounted iso to the external hard drive (Avatar 3D folder). Connect the hard drive to your Oppo. stefan

Pardon my ignorance, Stefan, but what do you mean by "mount". How is it done?
post #19274 of 26632
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Originally Posted by benleeys View Post

Pardon my ignorance, Stefan, but what do you mean by "mount". How is it done?

Said the innocent young virgin to her new husband .

You "mount" the ISO image file to a virtual drive (i.e. using Clone Drive, Power ISO, etc). When you now click on the virtual drive where the ISO is mounted, you will see the BD folders.
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Yeah ISO wouldnt matter too much if the BD folder structure worked more reliably, but as discussed many times, folder structure playback can have lots of hiccups, audio errors and skips, etc. ISO playback has been flawless.
post #19276 of 26632
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Originally Posted by hammer66 View Post

Said the innocent young virgin to her new husband .

You "mount" the ISO image file to a virtual drive (i.e. using Clone Drive, Power ISO, etc). When you now click on the virtual drive where the ISO is mounted, you will see the BD folders.

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I should know this with all the discussion there has been over the months, but: is it ONLY .iso file playback that is disabled by the new firmware update for the 93 / 95?

If .mkv's still play, how is that doing the Hollywood moguls any practical good? I'm a very senior citizen, but have many young friends / relatives who are into all of this stuff - if they somehow download a movie, it is a .mkv, not a .iso, and so could potentially be played on the 95, right?

I guess my curiosity boils down to this question - if downloaded movies are more commonly a .mkv file, why has .iso been picked on and eliminated?
post #19278 of 26632
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Originally Posted by jfried View Post

I should know this with all the discussion there has been over the months, but: is it ONLY .iso file playback that is disabled by the new firmware update for the 93 / 95?

If .mkv's still play, how is that doing the Hollywood moguls any practical good? I'm a very senior citizen, but have many young friends / relatives who are into all of this stuff - if they somehow download a movie, it is a .mkv, not a .iso, and so could potentially be played on the 95, right?

I guess my curiosity boils down to this question - if downloaded movies are more commonly a .mkv file, why has .iso been picked on and eliminated?

Probably because the studios think that the only format that they can still save from piracy are their overpriced 3D Bluray discs.
post #19279 of 26632
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Originally Posted by tomd51 View Post


Lmao
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Originally Posted by Stuntman Mike View Post

I do know for a fact that there is a back door that will allow any firmware to be installed. I don't know it though. Wish I did.

Why don't you email Oppo support and ask them?:-)
Just curious, but how do you know this for a fact?
post #19281 of 26632
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Originally Posted by bxbigpipi View Post


Lmao

At Beavis and butthead
post #19282 of 26632
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Originally Posted by jfried View Post

I should know this with all the discussion there has been over the months, but: is it ONLY .iso file playback that is disabled by the new firmware update for the 93 / 95?

If .mkv's still play, how is that doing the Hollywood moguls any practical good? I'm a very senior citizen, but have many young friends / relatives who are into all of this stuff - if they somehow download a movie, it is a .mkv, not a .iso, and so could potentially be played on the 95, right?

I guess my curiosity boils down to this question - if downloaded movies are more commonly a .mkv file, why has .iso been picked on and eliminated?

Any sort of copying is forbidden. (Apart from some studio-managed efforts that haven't materialized). I do not doubt they will get around to MKV copies. One of the big file sharing sites was just shutdown and the owner is in jail awaiting trial.

Cinavia is the next technical scheme that will frustrate any sort of copying.

ISO is higher profile because it is possible to make an exact copy of the original: a Golden Master. MKV versions have usually been re-encoded, compressed and sifted in various ways.

-Bill
post #19283 of 26632
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Originally Posted by jfried View Post

I should know this with all the discussion there has been over the months, but: is it ONLY .iso file playback that is disabled by the new firmware update for the 93 / 95?

If .mkv's still play, how is that doing the Hollywood moguls any practical good? I'm a very senior citizen, but have many young friends / relatives who are into all of this stuff - if they somehow download a movie, it is a .mkv, not a .iso, and so could potentially be played on the 95, right?

I guess my curiosity boils down to this question - if downloaded movies are more commonly a .mkv file, why has .iso been picked on and eliminated?

One of the great ironies of this whole affair. I would venture to agree that most illegal downloads are MKV files, not ISO's.

If this is all about studio paranoia over pirated 3D movies, I'm sure those who pirate this material will come up with other alternatives.
post #19284 of 26632
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Netflix the only reason we cannot roll back FW? If yes, Netflix can go.

+1

It's of the crappiest quality/implementation anyways.
post #19285 of 26632
So with your firmware upgrade- did you resolve the issue? Can you still play .iso's?
post #19286 of 26632
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

One of the great ironies of this whole affair. I would venture to agree that most illegal downloads are MKV files, not ISO's.

I would tend to agree. AVI seems to be pretty popular too.

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If this is all about studio paranoia over pirated 3D movies, I'm sure those who pirate this material will come up with other alternatives.

I think it's all about Oppo and/or their chip makers being picked on by the studios. The studios simply have more/better lawyers because they are MUCH bigger corporations. All it probably took was a call from a secretary or a napkin with some chicken scratch on it and Oppo threw their hands in the air (gave in/up).
post #19287 of 26632
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Originally Posted by counsil View Post

I would tend to agree. AVI seems to be pretty popular too.



I think it's all about Oppo and/or their chip makers being picked on by the studios. The studios simply have more/better lawyers because they are MUCH bigger corporations. All it probably took was a call from a secretary or a napkin with some chicken scratch on it and Oppo threw their hands in the air (gave in/up).

Mediatek, not OPPO.

OPPO wasn't even consulted about ISO removal.

Have we been over this enough yet? Does everyone want 50 or 100 more rounds of ISO anger/denial/bargaining/depression/acceptance?

-Bill
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

have we been over this enough yet? Does everyone want 50 or 100 more rounds of iso anger/denial/bargaining/depression/acceptance?

...what he said!
post #19289 of 26632
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Originally Posted by jeff1947 View Post

So with your firmware upgrade- did you resolve the issue? Can you still play .iso's?

I haven't tried. I got some mkv's to start playing at 1080p/60 (although 95% of them still play at 1080p/24) so I think the last firmware flash took. I have used several programs to make my mkv's over the years, as well as, used different settings so I'm not exactly sure why some play at 24 instead of 60. If I took the time I could figure it out by using MedioInfo, but it's not important to me right now.

I have deleted all my iso's. They were taking up too much room on my hard drive, and I don't think I ripped them right anyways. I prefer using blu-rays when video/audio quality is important to me because I have my hard drive almost full with all my music files (FLAC) and home videos (shot at 1080p with our Sony Handycam) at the moment.
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Have we been over this enough yet? Does everyone want 50 or 100 more rounds of ISO anger/denial/bargaining/depression/acceptance?

-Bill

While many have moved onto acceptance, I'm not past the denial stage yet.
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