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post #19711 of 25204
3/25/12 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post

Well.... lately it seems to be every disc I buy. And when these discs work fine on my PS3, I begin to question the neeed to have an Oppo. It's just getting frustrating to go to watch a new disc only to have the Oppo lock up.

In testing, I run through *A LOT* of discs, including many of the new releases as they become available for rental. I actually find it rather rare to have a problem which prevents disc playback.

Of course you may have just had a streak of bad luck in the discs you tried, but unless you see problem reports showing up here on those same discs, I'd start to wonder if your particular player doesn't have a problem.
--Bob
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post #19712 of 25204
3/25/12 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by FlamMan View Post

First-time poster here, and a new BDP-93 owner. Although I love the player overall so far, I'm having problems connecting to Netflix and am wondering (1) how common this problem is for new owners and (2) what the solution is. The first four times I tried connecting, I got the spinning wheel "Connecting to Netflix" message, then "Getting titles," then the dreaded "We're unable to connect you to Netflix. Please try again or go to netflix.com/tvhelp" message. Although I do have a Netflix subscription it's a limited DVD rental plan so I don't have streaming access set up yet. I wouldn't think this should be a problem, though, as I can't even access a basic menu through the BDP-93 app. Also, I'm able to connect to YouTube, Blockbuster, and Vdu just fine so I'm not sure why I'm having so many problems with Netflix. I'm using the wireless adapter supplied with the BDP-93 to connect to our AT&T-supplied 2Wire Gateway 2701HG-B wireless router.

I've already emailed OPPO about this, and they replied with:



So I tried power cycling the router and it appeared to work at first (got to the Netflix activation code page) but after my activation code apparently timed out (in less than a minute??) I started getting the dreaded "unable to connect you to Netflix" message again and again. I tried manually changing the DNS 2 setting (OPPO didn't specify whether I should change DNS 1 or DNS 2) in my wireless settings and it didn't solve the problem (perhaps I should try DNS 1?).

In any case, any tips or advice would be welcome. Netflix streaming is somewhat of a secondary reason for purchasing the player (BD and SACD playback being the primary) but I'd definitely like to check it out and am wondering why it's apparently difficult to set up my player properly to do that. Or perhaps it's an issue with my router or Netflix?? Man, nothing more fun than troubleshooting network connectivity issues on the weekend!

Do I understand correctly that you have *NOT* subscribed to a Netflix plan that includes streaming?

If so, I would expect problems in the Netflix app. The app does not offer any services to people who only have disc-by-mail plans with Netflix. I.e., you can't search for discs to rent-by-mail or manage your rent-by-mail queue. The app only offers services for managing your Watch Instantly queue, and of course streaming itself.

For example, unlike Vudu, the Netflix app does not offer the ability to play trailers or the like to folks without a streaming plan.

NOTE: At the time this particular app software was written by Netflix, streaming came bundled with any disc plan. So I'm not surprised the app doesn't deal gracefully with the new Netflix disc plans that don't include streaming.

ETA: Oh, and Welcome to AVS!
--Bob
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post #19713 of 25204
3/25/12 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post


It depends what the studio has done. Some new titles will play fine on the OPPO even while giving other players fits. And vice versa. Titles also come out in multiple authored versions such as for Europe or for rental. Sometimes the problems only arise in one version. The problem with Hugo -- fixed in the latest firmware -- only arises in the 2D disc, not in the 3D, AND is related to streaming of opening previews over the network, which means it doesn't happen on cheaper players without network support or BD-Java support. In a fancier player, the problem arises even with networking turned OFF. It's just stupid disc programming insufficiently tested against enough players.
--Bob

As true as that is, it seems the studios tip off the major manufacturers first. They seem to be 1 step ahead of new release issues and thus the discs mostly play fine. On the other hand,Oppo of late seems to be re-active to new release issues. True,they eventually fix it,but the frustration has already set in. I have been witnessing this effect for a year now and its almost always the case. My LG and Sharpeneers play almost everything without issue ( they update alot more than the Oppo,at least LG does).
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post #19714 of 25204
3/25/12 at 4:46pm
^ Based on discussion among the Beta Testers, it appears other players are having a similar number of problems of having to react after the fact -- just on different discs. The one exception would be (should be) the PS3 simply because the installed base of PS3s is so large that nobody in their right mind would ship a disc without testing it on the PS3. That said, I've run into at least one Sony title this past year (yes, Sony!) which screwed up the BD-Live UI on the PS3. (The feature itself played fine.)

My personal experience, as I said above, is that running into problems which prevent a disc from playing are quite rare.
--Bob
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post #19715 of 25204
3/25/12 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post

Well.... lately it seems to be every disc I buy. And when these discs work fine on my PS3, I begin to question the neeed to have an Oppo. It's just getting frustrating to go to watch a new disc only to have the Oppo lock up.

As I understand it, the PS3 is used as the primary testing device for new titles. Because it is a powerful computer, it can execute the complete Java codebase and being updated constantly online is likely the most up to date player on the market: standalone players that rely on lower powered chipsets may make some compromises in Java interpretation that could have (both positive and negative) consequences.

In trying to stick closely to the BD-Live rules and provide the full functionality, Oppo may not be doing the consumer any favours compared to cheap players that may skimp in that area and are thus not as affected by tricky discs. However, the number of reports of issues with new titles in the Oppo, compared to the opposition, suggest there may be a bug that is exacerbating this issue.

Has anyone tried adding say 4GB of supplementary memory to the Oppo to see if this helps with disc problems?

For me the primary advantage of the Oppo is it's DVD upscaling quality and ISO capability: remove those and I would just go for a cheaper name-brand instead of the Oppo.
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post #19716 of 25204
3/25/12 at 4:59pm
Thread Starter 
Issues related to the Persistent Storage being corrupt, rather than the firmware needing to be upgraded due to changes in the BD-JAVA, are likely related to some kind of defect either in the memory OPPO uses or the algorithms they use for read/write access.

I have seen some major improvements reported by end-users on the BDP-8x and BDP-9x threads when using a USB thumbdrive instead of the Persistent Storage. I've personally have not done any testing, so I can't confirm any differences.
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post #19717 of 25204
3/25/12 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by DaveN View Post

I need some advice from the Oppo experts. I have a BDP-80 but now I need a 3d capable player. My choice boils down to a BDP-93 for $500 or I could pick up a Panny DMP-BDT210 for around $120 and use it for 3d only while using the 80 for all other disks. I use a Lumagen Radiance processor. Rumor has it that a 93 replacement is due by end of this year and that also gives me pause.

How does the dual player option sound? Will there be much difference is picture and sound quality via hidef codecs outputted in LPCM? What would you do?

If you have a Lumagen and stock standard Bluray playback requirements, I would say go for a cheaper 3D Bluray player as you would be unlikely to notice much if any difference in PQ and SQ for HD material and SD material might be better handled by the Lumagen.

However, if backing up your discs to a HDD, region free capability, CIH, SACD or other advanced finesse is important to you, the Oppo (with ISO capability) is worth considering.
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post #19718 of 25204
3/25/12 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

I know that the latest firmware does not support 3D Blu-Ray .iso anymore. So I unpacked my .iso file with winrar to BDMV structure folder. I connected my sata hdd directly to my oppo (esata input). However, the Oppo does not seem to like the BDMV folders. The picture is screwed up and as soon as I start the movie he hangs....

I thought BDMV structure folders where supported my the BDP-93 even with lastest firmware?

I would suggest you try playing the ISO on a PC first to confirm if the ISO is good: there are no guarantees that the ISO has been ripped correctly, especially if you obtained it from "other sources".

Alternatively, try burning the ISO to a BD-R disc.

You might get more foolproof unpacking results with Virtual CD (VCD) software from Slysoft: it's freeware.

The Oppo originally supported the AVCHD "trick", which was then augmented with BDMV folder capability. You might want to try ripping the BDMV and Certificate folders to an AVCHD folder and trying that. Even with ISO removal, both AVCHD and BDMV are still supported.

There are no guarantees of perfect playback with AVCHD or BDMV: even with 2D titles, there have been reports of glitches and 3D is just that much more onerous. For best results, ensure the HDD is defragmented.

ISO is the best container to use for an as close to original disc experience: that's why the studios nobbled it in the Oppo.
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post #19719 of 25204
3/25/12 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post


ISO is the best container to use for an as close to original disc experience: that's why the studios nobbled it in the Oppo.

Does it make any video/sound qulality diference if bdmv folder structure is converted back to iso using software like imgburn? Or Is it recommneded again starting from scratch from physical disk to make iso directly either using dvdfab or anydvd?
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post #19720 of 25204
3/25/12 at 6:42pm
Thread Starter 
No.
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post #19721 of 25204
3/25/12 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The reason you don't see many BDP-80 models for sale used is because not many were made and sold, and because not many owners want to part with them. That said, the 2 most recent eBay sales ended at full retail price. How painful would that be?

yep! that was exactly my point! I sold my used 80 for more than i paid for it!
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post #19722 of 25204
3/25/12 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by Quaddy View Post

i dont if this is of any help, but after reading some convoluted methods to simply share the same content on your pc to the oppo, this is all i do and i already had the switch, so this cost me zero extra expenditure

you need a usb 2.0 switch box, and a usb external hard drive

Thanks for this. Very helpful advice. It's your very first post in more than two years of being an AVS member. You should post more often!
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post #19723 of 25204
3/26/12 at 12:33am
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post

Does it make any video/sound qulality diference if bdmv folder structure is converted back to iso using software like imgburn? Or Is it recommneded again starting from scratch from physical disk to make iso directly either using dvdfab or anydvd?

Should be no quality difference for 2D, but you can't go BDMV->ISO with 3D.

Having said that, Bluray comes with a certificate folder which IIRC was recommended to be retained along with BDMV. I have no idea what might happen to playability if Certificate is missing.

ISO tends to be best because it retains maximum information and can be readily converted to files/folders or burnt to a BD-R disc and reasonably assured of playing with all features across a number of platforms: once you start dropping files, although it might play back in the Oppo, it may no longer play on other platforms.

ISO from original disc would be preferable to avoid potential pitfalls.
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post #19724 of 25204
3/26/12 at 4:38am
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

In my experience, when unpacking a 3D ISO to BDMV, the resulting folder should be 2x the size of the original ISO. So, a 30GB movie becomes ~60GB.
You may wish to try a different tool for handling the ISO. I mount the ISO on a virtual drive, then copy folders, and this has worked in the past.

This seems to work fine, thanks.
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post #19725 of 25204
3/26/12 at 6:33am
Hi guys, recently I noticed that Oppo's file/media browser hangs when I execute certain sequence of operations. I was able to reproduce it on my USB-connected HDD or 4GB flash drive (so it's not the storage).

For test purposes I created one folder Test and put only two files there - one picture (e.g. JPG) and one video file (e.g. MKV or MTS). And the sequence is:
  1. Home -> Photo -> Test folder -> view picture (so far no problem);
  2. Home -> Movie -> Test folder -> view movie (so far no problem);
  3. Home -> Photo -> and now I cannot go into Test folder; Oppo hangs and responds only to Home button on my remote. I can go into other folders, but not Test folder that was previously visited in Movie mode;

I have older FW BDP9x-57-0917. Please can somebody try it? The point here is that one folder with mixed content - both video and photo files - is explored in both the "Photo" and "Movie" modes.

Thanks.
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post #19726 of 25204
3/26/12 at 9:46am
Thread Starter 
This is a known bug when switching between media formats. Unplugging the USB drive from the player, or turning off the player then turning it back on, will resume normal access.

I have not retested this, but the 64-0119B firmware still had this bug in it.
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post #19727 of 25204
3/26/12 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

This is a known bug when switching between media formats. Unplugging the USB drive from the player, or turning off the player then turning it back on, will resume normal access.

I have not retested this, but the 64-0119B firmware still had this bug in it.

Right...thanks for confirmation.
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post #19728 of 25204
3/26/12 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

What happens when you use 1080p with and without 24Hz Output enabled?

What happens if you use HDMI 2 while the HDMI 1 is set to the Primary Output? This is in effect Source Direct.

Ensure that you do not have any Zoom mode enabled. I know on Panasonic plasmas even when they are set to FULL (1:1 pixel matching) there is a HD Zoom mode which is designed to slightly overscan. Setting this from Zoom 1 to Zoom 2 resolves this error.

With the Oppo set to output 1080P, with 24Hz ON or OFF the tests patterns show no cropping of the bottom line? ONLY ON SOURCE DIRECT DID THE "overscan" and "safe title / safe action" test patterns crop the bottom white line.

Kuro is set to dot by dot!

Did not try using HDMI 2 while the HDMI 1 is set to the Primary Output. Are you saying to just take the HDMI cable that is connected to the back of the Oppo on HDMI 1 input and connect it to HDMI 2?
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Source Direct output of 1080p content on HDMI 1 crops 1 pixel off the bottom. This is a known problem. Use explicit 1080p output instead.

On "DVE HD Basics", Blu-ray, 1080p charts, look for the geometry chart with the black background and white lined objects. In the center of all 4 edges of that chart you will see 10 stubby columns sticking in towards the center of the screen -- of 10 lengths. Those columns represent 1-10 pixels in from that edge. If you can see all 10 of them then you have no pixel cropping on that edge of the screen. (Obviously the one representing 1 pixel will be hard to see -- get up close to the screen.) If some of the shorter columns are missing, then that will tell you how many pixels are cropped on that edge.
--Bob


I thought about using 1080p output, but that scene on "ratatouille" does not look as smooth in its gradations on my Kuro as when the Oppo is set to Source Direct. In fact its quite a noticeable difference.

Bob, that geometry chart with the black background and white lined objects shows up perfectly regardless of resolution (1080P, Auto or source Direct). In fact, I used only the 1080P test patterns of the charts on DVE HD disk.

Paul
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post #19729 of 25204
3/26/12 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

. . . .

Bob, that geometry chart with the black background and white lined objects shows up perfectly regardless of resolution (1080P, Auto or source Direct). In fact, I used only the 1080P test patterns of the charts on DVE HD disk.

Paul

Are you sure you are looking at the correct, black-background chart? The one with the 10 stubby columns sticking in from the center of each edge? There is another black chart with big circles on a broad-hatch background -- and nothing else. That's not the correct chart to use to check pixel cropping.
--Bob
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post #19730 of 25204
3/26/12 at 11:28am
Is it possible that Oppo would add to the streaming options on the BDP-93? HBO GO, Amazon Instant, Showtime, etc? If so, would it only come as a firmware update that would wipe the ISO capability also? Thanks
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post #19731 of 25204
3/26/12 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by rachurch View Post

Is it possible that Oppo would add to the streaming options on the BDP-93? HBO GO, Amazon Instant, Showtime, etc?

It's certainly possible that other services could be added, but I have no idea how likely or what services would get added.

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If so, would it only come as a firmware update that would wipe the ISO capability also? Thanks

Yes, anything new will definitely remove ISO capability.
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post #19732 of 25204
3/26/12 at 12:22pm
Since ISO is not supported anymore, and BDMV is not stable, what are the other lossless alternatives to use with the Oppo BDP-93.

I have heard about lossless MKV (I don't care about menus) using makemkv or pavtube... anyone use theses software to get lossless Blu-Ray Rips ??

Is MKV supported through DLNA?

I need a solution to back up my Blu-Ray with the same quality as the original.

thanks for any inputs.
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post #19733 of 25204
3/26/12 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by rachurch View Post

Is it possible that Oppo would add to the streaming options on the BDP-93? HBO GO, Amazon Instant, Showtime, etc?

Just as a another comment, but the streaming host services don't go enlisting every device to receive their services. They form relationships with whoever sells the most boxes. Some of these can be considered exclusive.
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post #19734 of 25204
3/26/12 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by Tapidlittle View Post

Since ISO is not supported anymore, and BDMV is not stable, what are the other lossless alternatives to use with the Oppo BDP-93.

I have heard about lossless MKV (I don't care about menus) using makemkv or pavtube... anyone use theses software to get lossless Blu-Ray Rips ??

Is MKV supported through DLNA?

I need a solution to back up my Blu-Ray with the same quality as the original.

thanks for any inputs.

Take a loot at these FAQs:
- What are the alternatives to .iso files?;
- Networking/DLNA;
- BDP-93 FAQ;

Many of your questions may be already answered there.
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post #19735 of 25204
3/26/12 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by Tapidlittle View Post

I have heard about lossless MKV (I don't care about menus) using makemkv
or pavtube... anyone use theses software to get lossless Blu-Ray Rips ??

MakeMKV creates 1:1 ("lossless") copies of material, video and audio, from
DVD and Blu-Ray discs. I hadn't heard of pavtube.

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Is MKV supported through DLNA?

According to this page, BDP-83 UPnP/DLNA Media Streaming FAQ, yes.

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Originally Posted by Tapidlittle View Post

I need a solution to back up my Blu-Ray with the same quality as the original.

MakeMKV will do it. Note that it, like any other ripper, such as AnyDVD and
DVDFab, may have problems with certain discs. As Blu-Ray DRM changes,
you may find you that MakeMKV leads or lags the others in implementing
the fixes.
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post #19736 of 25204
3/26/12 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Are you sure you are looking at the correct, black-background chart? The one with the 10 stubby columns sticking in from the center of each edge? There is another black chart with big circles on a broad-hatch background -- and nothing else. That's not the correct chart to use to check pixel cropping.
--Bob

Thanks Bob, now I know which pattern you mean, I'll check tonight.

Paul
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post #19737 of 25204
3/26/12 at 12:49pm
However, be aware that the Oppo can't decode hi-rez audio (DTS-HD MA and Dolby True HD) in an MKV container. Not true that using MakeMKV will be the same audio quality as the original Blu-ray, whereas ripping to ISO using DVDFab or AnyDVD is the same quality.
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post #19738 of 25204
3/26/12 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by Tapidlittle View Post

Since ISO is not supported anymore, and BDMV is not stable, what are the other lossless alternatives to use with the Oppo BDP-93.

I don't know where the idea that BDMV "is not stable" comes from. I don't use BDMV folders every day, but I've never had a problem when I do. No stuttering, just perfect playback. Maybe it's the hard drive.
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post #19739 of 25204
3/26/12 at 1:02pm
I had Problems with Sound stuttering and bdmv.......iso Works perfect
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post #19740 of 25204
3/26/12 at 1:13pm
I m using my Oppo BDP-93 with a Sony VW95 projector. How do I find out what the best color space and bit depth is to pick? (I only play blu-ray content)
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