Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread - Page 676

^ Give OPPO tech support a call with the info on the discs giving you problems and also with the model info on your Receiver. It's possible they may have history with that receiver.

Keep in mind that OPPO made SD-DVD players before their current Blu-ray players, so their history goes back a ways.
--Bob

I will contact OPPO Tech support.

I can also play AVATAR BR Extended Collector's Edition (DTS HD MA) and the Dragon Tattoo Trilogy Extended Edition (the Swedish sound track is DTS HD MA) without issues. I'm beginning to think it is more related to HUGO and IN TIME?
But I was really hoping you would say 'it's time to get a newer AVR' (LOL).

In any event, thanks for your time. Regards

Digital audio really does need coaxial cable to operate well and this generally means a thick cable (~6mm) with RCA ends. You can also use a good quality TV antenna lead (the one with screw connectors) and use RCA connectors on the ends instead of the usual TV connectors.

However, if some titles work and others don't I would say the problem is some incompatibility between the specific titles themselves and your AVR. Hugo, I understand, caused a lot of playback issues due to the new DRM it uses although I don't think there were reports of audio issues per se.

Does your AVR support DD as well as DTS? Your comments so far seem to indicate only DTS.

The Oppo has the ability to transcode any soundtrack to DTS, for the coaxial audio output, via a menu option. You might want to engage this and also activate "Secondary Audio" as a test. I believe this will decode any soundtrack to LPCM and then re-encode it to standard DTS in the player. If there is an issue with the DTS being output from certain discs and your AVR, then this might correct it.

Of course, it would be better to update your AVR to take full advantage of the lossless soundtracks on Bluray titles. The AVR doesn't need to decode the lossless codecs: many older AVR with HDMI are capable of decoding multichannel LPCM even if they can't handle TrueHD or DTS-HD and the Oppo can decode any soundtrack to multichannel LPCM and output it via HDMI (effectively doing in the player what the AVR would do). However even the low end AVR now generally handle all lossless audio codecs: I'm just saying don't exclude older AVR with HDMI from consideration if you can get one dirt cheap.

Not really a fair comparison. By and large, BD movies use a DTS core at 1.5Mb/sec rates, several times more than what most DVDs use. Try a different cable for the sake of troubleshooting.

eSATA would have been awesome if they had included a port multiplier chipset. I, too, experienced stuttering using eSATA and switched to USB. No problems so far.

Thanks for your replies.

The digital cable is labled 'RG-59/U coaxial'. It is thick with reasonably robust molded connectors on both ends. I think it came with the OPPO. If not, it was from my previous DVD player. I may change it out later.

AFAIK my AVR does not support DD.

@IanD:
Can you please explain this more better? "The Oppo has the ability to transcode any soundtrack to DTS, for the coaxial audio output, via a menu option." Could you please give me directions?

"You might want to engage this and also activate "Secondary Audio" as a test. (on the remote?).

"I believe this will decode any soundtrack to LPCM and then re-encode it to standard DTS in the player. If there is an issue with the DTS being output from certain discs and your AVR, then this might correct it.

I'll give it a try if you give me the steps.

In the meantime, after contacting OPPO support, I'm going to checkout a newer AVR with HDMI (1.4?) cabability.

Regards to all.

^ It's almost certain your AVR supports Dolby Digital over that Coax connection. DTS came after DD.
--Bob

Geez, winning this prize seems more of a curse than a blessing...

OK, weird how the Oppo won't work using the cable to the TV (no AVR in the middle) but the LG and EVERYTHING else works flawlessly. However, I ended up swapping the TV HDMI cable out with another known good cable. Don't know why the Oppo is so special that it must handshake time and time again, I mean, even the opening to Batman Returns BD gets cut off (video only, not audio which is flawless) after pressing 'play'. But after that, no dropouts on disc (DVD & BD) and Netflix does about the same thing but again, no dropouts afterwards.

So now comes time to program the Harmony 550 (I started another topic about it in the Remote control forum) and after the initial, basic, delete the LG 570 and add the Oppo 93 procedure, I have the most basic (power on/off, play, ff, rew, etc...) control. But when I want to assign more functions, now the damn remote won't update at all and I cannot even revert back to the LG. I know this is not an Oppo issue, but dammit son, until the Oppo entered my life, all was well, and all were happy. And since I have spent literally numerous hours going thru something that just shouldn't be necessary with a piece of equipment of this caliber.

I am so very close to saying the hell with it all and going back to the LG setup and selling the Oppo, it isn't even funny. So damn frustrated right now, hard to see straight...

Just so I can be clear, you seem to have been able to narrow down a video dropout issue to be cable related by swapping "out with another known good cable", but b/c you're having trouble properly re-programing your Harmony 550, the Oppo is suddenly the bane of your existence??

Actually repeated handshakes are part of the HDCP deal, everyone does it. The problem appears to have been that the handshakes were sometimes failing with the 93. As far as what's so special, the Oppo is a two-chip player and most others are one-chip players. The benefit of the two-chip solution is that you can do things like zoom BD-Java discs, which is impossible for other players. The downside is that the handshakes take longer to complete, which may push other marginal components over the edge. So if replacing the cable fixes it, hooray. The old one had problems that just weren't revealed by the other unit. It's always worth looking at firmware updates for both your display and AVR, because handshake issues are just pervasive out there, even if the components you chose before didn't trigger them.

Guys...I know the Oppo is special and what it entails. The remote programming IS NOT the "bane of my existance" at all. The confusion I have is why this special piece of equipment is more finicky than the much less expensive, tho still high quality, LG 570, Toshiba HD A-35 and Sony DVD recorder, all connected via HDMI to the AVR to the TV. Enter the Oppo and suddenly things don't work right, bad cables etc...never experienced this sort of thing before. Love the end result the Oppo provides, just hate the means it takes to get there.

We're here to help with technical Q&A. If you can be systematic in pursuing one problem at a time and specific in your questions, we'll do what we can.

Or you could email or call OPPO, who have paid support people.

-Bill

Never, ever work an issue with OPPO Service on Friday the 13th. They totally dashed my hopes for an excuse to get an 7.1 AVR.

OPPO Service:
{@ IanD - you have to de-activate} -"Ensure that you have Secondary Audio set to OFF (Audio Format Setup) prior to loading these films. Once it is set to OFF try these films again at these time stamps and see if the same errors occur."

"I set Secondary Audio to OFF (it was ON) and audio plays fine on both titles (7.1 and 5.1 DTS HD MA). No burping. Speech is clear as a bell."

OPPO Service explaination:
"When Secondary Audio is set to ON, then the audio is being re-encoded into 1.5Mbit DTS. If you are using an older receiver, then it is possible that the bit rate is exceeding its DSP capabilities, which results in corrupt, distorted audio. When Secondary Audio is set to OFF, then the player using the standard legacy DTS or Dolby Digital on the disc.

If you purchased a newer receiver then you could take full advantage of the dynamic range on Blu-ray titles. There is a substantial difference between Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital TrueHD; DTS and DTS-HD Master.

{I have to convince my wife - the Dept. of Treasury and Sec. of War}

Even if you did not purchase a newer receiver, you can take advantage of the higher quality audio using the multi-channel analog outputs on the player.



Best Regards,

Customer Service"

My player does not have multi-channel analog inputs.

@Bob - Yes, current AVR supports Dolby Digital as well. I missed it.

Kind Regards to all, and thanks for your help.

^ Sorry about that. Sometimes Customer Support can be TOO good.

If you really want to replace the AVR, spilling coffee through the vent holes in the top will usually do the trick.
--Bob

^
Thanks Bob, I needed that!

@Bob- whoops, (whispering to Bob) is he w/ OPPO customer support?

Sorry if this has been asked, but >600 pages is too difficult to wade through...

I have free streaming content through Amazon (Amazon Prime membership). Any way to stream this through the Oppo 93?

Not at this time. It's up to Amazon.

Nope. I'm not with OPPO Customer Support. They're EXPERTS!
--Bob

I am wondering If I can get the oppo bdp-93 to use source direct and put out either 720p or 1080i or 1080p/24 in the menus and booting. Right now it is outputting 1080p@60 in the menus and 1 of my external scalers only support a max of 1080p@24Hz and not 1080p@60hz.

Can I fix this with an edid editing device?

Ummm...I said I found the issue, just strange is all. No questions, but thanks for replying to my earlier questions.

I don't think Source Direct will help since the inherent resolution of those menus is 1080p/60.

I suggest you try Resolution = Auto, with 1080p/24 = AUTO or ON. It is possible this will give you 1080i/60 for the menus and 1080p/24 for movies.

Failing that you will likely have to set the player to explicit 720p or 1080i, and then manually change to 1080p (with 1080p/24 Auto) once your movie starts. Then change back when the movie ends.

ETA: Your external scaler should be publishing that it can't accept 1080p/60 during the handshake, which will keep the OPPO from using that for the Menus. Apparently it is not doing that. What may be going on here is that the external scaler is actually reporting the capabilities of the display (which might be able to accept 1080p/60 even though the scaler can not). Look for settings in the external scaler dealing with video pass through or passing along the capabilities of the display. If you can't get the scaler to correctly report what it can accept, then yes, an EDID device between the OPPO and the Scaler might be just the ticket.
--Bob

Thanks for the followup: good to know for future reference.

I had thought that DTS HD MA used a DTS core at full bitrate, which would be equivalent to the Oppo re-encode, so I'm not sure why the Oppo is causing problems and the titles not. Maybe something for Oppo to look into if they are not producing standard DTS transcodes. You are going to have a problem if you actually want to make use of Secondary Audio with some titles (eg ones that have PIP commentary).

HDMI 1.4 is only necessary (actually obligatory) if you intend to play 3D Bluray titles through an AVR. However, you can get around this by connecting HDMI 1 from the Oppo direct to the 3D display and HDMI 2 from the Oppo to the AVR (it's the reason why Oppo has 2 HDMI outputs): it means the AVR can be HDMI 1.3 (or less if you use multichannel LPCM via HDMI).

Do your scalers support IVTC (ie 1080i60->1080p24)?

If Bob's solution doesn't work, perhaps you can output explicit 1080i60 for everything and have the scaler return it to 1080p24: shouldn't matter too much for menus.

Played this BD yesterday and noticed (again) that during track five at ~24:25 there is a glitch in the video.

Most of the video is shot from the audience perspective. A couple of times during this concert movie it is shot from behind the band.

At the above mentioned time stamp we're behind one of the guitarists and beyond him is the crowd (lower portion of the screen) and the sky. There is a band say two inches deep across the top of the screen - video seems garbled or distorted.

Anybody able to check this? I've noticed it in a couple of other spots too; always the same scenario.

Tried this on the BD and TV in the bedroom and it's not an issue.

blairy

Hi Guys,
I just got my hands on a bdp-93. I was thinking of upgrading my amp. The store I bought the Oppo from said the best way to run the Oppo is to run the HDMI directly to the TV and use the component audio out on the Oppo as the DAC in the Oppo is way better than the preamp in most A/V receivers, especially in my budget.

Is there any truth to this?

I would think the HDMI audio would be of a higher quality...

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

If you are able to use HDMI, do so. Your AVR has setup. bass management and EQ routines that are only in use on digital inputs.

Hi everyone, this is my first message on this thread. I have a problem with my Oppo that I hope someone can resolve for me. I have just done a factory reset and re-input my settings but when I put a bd disc in to play nothing happens. The message on the machine and on the screen says 'Close' and there is a message on the right hand side of my panel that says 'Not Support' Any suggestions?

Welcome to AVSForum.

Does this happen to all BR discs, or just this one?

Are DVDs ok?

-Bill