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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Be sure to check out the updated YouTube Leanback interface, as the earlier interface was quite limited.

Be aware typing a sting of a characters in search pauses while YouTube tries to match content.

Does it support HD content?
post #20492 of 25187
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Originally Posted by DouglasCleary View Post

Does it support HD content?

I thought I'd chime in here on this. I noticed it does not support HD content. It has the option to choose "All, or "HD", but it will not allow you to choose HD when you try to.
post #20493 of 25187
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Originally Posted by EDH63 View Post

All OPPO settings in the "Picture" catagory are at their default settings "0".

In almost all circumstances, that's exactly what the OPPO settings should be. Unless there is a situation where calibration doesn't work in the display, the OPPO's settings should be left at default settings.

If you come to feel that recalibration due to drift is needed then it would probably be best to do it in the display. Our Kuro was recalibrated after 5k hours, but we could have waited longer than that.
post #20494 of 25187
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Originally Posted by EDH63 View Post

I thought I'd chime in here on this. I noticed it does not support HD content. It has the option to choose "All, or "HD", but it will not allow you to choose HD when you try to.

I have seen HD stuff on the new youtube thing. its is possible to get HD from you tube.

Jacob
post #20495 of 25187
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Originally Posted by DouglasCleary View Post

Does it support HD content?

Ok, I lied. I just went and played with it again and it allowed me to select the "HD" option. So, I guess it does support HD.
post #20496 of 25187
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

In almost all circumstances, that's exactly what the OPPO settings should be. Unless there is a situation where calibration doesn't work in the display, the OPPO's settings should be left at default settings.

If you come to feel that recalibration due to drift is needed then it would probably be best to do it in the display. Our Kuro was recalibrated after 5k hours, but we could have waited longer than that.

Ah, so if I think the calibration is still true, I probably need to leave it alone then. But if I wanted to noodle around in the OPPO and make some adjustments in that menu, that would then have an effect on what I'm seeing on the display, even though I haven't made any adjustments to the actual display itself?
post #20497 of 25187
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

I have seen HD stuff on the new youtube thing. its is possible to get HD from you tube.

Jacob

Yep, you beat me by a minute.
post #20498 of 25187
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Originally Posted by EDH63 View Post

Well, Bob should feel honored to have an internet friend like you that would take a virtual bullet for him.

The AVS guidelines are to report personal attacks, and not to engage in them, so I wouldn't have been taking a virtual bullet for Bob. I was just eeking at the humor that I perceived.

This thread and the all other OPPO threads tend to be the smartest threads that I've ever read here at AVS. That said, acronyms tend to drive me nuts because most often I can't figure out what they are referring to. That's probably one of the reasons why I dropped out of Stanford and NROTC() to join the Air Force many many years ago. Without acronyms, our navy would probably cease to exist.
post #20499 of 25187
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Originally Posted by EDH63 View Post

Ah, so if I think the calibration is still true, I probably need to leave it alone then. But if I wanted to noodle around in the OPPO and make some adjustments in that menu, that would then have an effect on what I'm seeing on the display, even though I haven't made any adjustments to the actual display itself?

I don't noodle, so I don't have any first hand experience. If I were to noodle around, I would follow the advice from folks here in thread and do it in the display.
post #20500 of 25187
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Originally Posted by EDH63 View Post


Ok, I lied. I just went and played with it again and it allowed me to select the "HD" option. So, I guess it does support HD.

The Search results will show an HD tag on each item of HD content found. The All or HD selector at the top of the results list is simply a filter toggle. Scroll up to it (the red highlight line will show you are there) and then hit Enter to toggle between the two choices. When HD is set, only the HD results will show in the Search results list. When All is set, both will show. In either case if you select a result marked HD, then it will play HD content.
--Bob
post #20501 of 25187
The unfortunate thing about YouTube is that it's not a live stream of what's currently happening, unless I'm missing something. It's video of already happened events. I know on my Samsung I could select U Stream, which is a current and a live stream of what's happening. Like watching the Decorah Eagles live. Here's to hoping that OPPO will keep adding apps on future FW updates.
post #20502 of 25187
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

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Without acronyms, our navy would probably cease to exist.

That's of course why you so often hear salty sea dogs referring to the Department of Acronyms Mnemonics and Names.
post #20503 of 25187
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Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post

Another question for the more technically minded of you, of which I know there are many (and many more who seem to think they are anyway ;-), whilst I am blissfully ignorant regarding some of the more technical settings in this player.

I'm using a Syba CL-SWI31026 3-in-1 HDMI Switch to enable the use of this player and my Sony Mega Blu-ray changer in the one remaining HDMI input to my home theatre receiver and had been having problems playing back the more recent 3D discs (e.g. Hugo) on the Oppo - the picture would flash or periodically jump and the sound would cut out, so I played around with the settings....today's firmware upgrade to BDP9x-66-0413 prompted me to get busy and do it. (Early 3D ones seemed fine for some reason).

I seem to have cured the problem by turning off 1080p24 output in Video Setup and under HDMI made Deep Color (HDMI1) Off (Dithered).

My home theatre receiver upgrades everything to 1080p anyway, (not sure about that 24 bit part but I believe it may do that too, whatever it means).

I haven't noticed any deterioration in the visual or audio experience at all, should I have? At least it now works. If you see the link to that switch it is supposed to support 24 and 36 bit video, so am curious why these adjustments worked. Was it a case of overkill before?

Edit: I should add that these problems didn't occur when the Oppo was plugged directly into my receiver. Hence my overkill remark, maybe there was some over-processing going on.

I suspect the key factor here was lowering Deep Color to 24 bits (i.e., OFF-Dithered) instead of using the 30 or 36 bit choices. That's a lower bandwidth signal and thus is more easily handled by a marginal HDMI cable.

3D playback works basically like "Source Direct" so the 1080p/24 setting doesn't do what you might expect it to do.

If I'm right, then the correct fix here is to upgrade the cable between the OPPO and your AVR. Start by making sure the HDMI plugs at both ends are fully inserted STRAIGHT into the sockets with nothing tugging the plug in any direction.

Now, it is VERY common for HDMI adapters and switches to have problems with higher bandwidth signals. If a direct connection between the OPPO and your AVR works, but the connection through the switch does not work, then the fix is to upgrade to a better switch.
--Bob
post #20504 of 25187
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

Quick question regarding FW update installations....... I noticed on Oppo's update page that the instructions for installing FW via the internet differ slightly than using a USB thumbdrive. Going the USB route, Oppo recommends that you do a factory reset but updating via the internet they don't mention this as part of the proceedure.

Does anyone know why that is? It sure makes it easier installing via the internet not having to re-apply all your settings.

The factory reset should not be necessary, but we continue to run into reports here of folks discovering that odd behavior can be cured by doing a factory reset and also pulling the power plug for about 10 seconds while the player is OFF.

If folks having problems do a re-install of the firmware, they will of course use the USB or burned-disc methods.

So for both of those reasons OPPO includes the reset recommendation. Personally I always do a reset after a factory install. In fact I reset, then do the install, then reset again. But that's just me -- and also the fact that as a Beta Tester I sometimes see, umm, exciting new firmware results that you guys never get subjected to.
--Bob
post #20505 of 25187
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

That's of course why you so often hear salty sea dogs referring to the Department of Acronyms Mnemonics and Names.

I concur,
post #20506 of 25187
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Originally Posted by EDH63 View Post

I did order that calibration disk, just haven't used it yet. However, I had my Plasma calibrated already when I purchased it (about 2 years old now). I've always had my plasmas pro calibrated because it makes for a much more realistic reproduction of color.

So, If I never calibrate the OPPO with the Spears & Munsil disk, It still looks fantastic. I'm not having any color issues or crushing of any kind. All OPPO settings in the "Picture" catagory are at their default settings "0". I've watched a couple of movies already, Blus, and they look fantastic. By calibrating the OPPO would mean then I would have to recalibrate the whole Plasma... yes? I spent $350.00 calibrating the Plasma, so I'm not real keen on recalibrating and throwing that money out the window. It seems that what I have right now looks good, with the calibration I have, so if I don't go into the OPPO and make a bunch of color, contrast and brightness adjustments, I'm guessing I should be ok. I just hate to think that I need to recalibrate because I buy a Blu ray player. Doesn't mean I won't.

What do you think?

Using the default Picture Adjustment (0) values in the OPPO will result in "reference" signals on the HDMI output. USUALLY this means that if your display has been properly calibrated you can just plug in the OPPO and not have to change anything.

There are several reasons why this might not be the case.

First, displays typically record settings separately for each input. If you plug the OPPO into a new input, you might not have the display set properly on that input to use its calibrated settings. Indeed your calibrator may not even have checked that unused input.

Second, displays often have quirks (let's be frank and call them bugs) which mean they don't handle all the possible input formats equally well. Your calibrator may have checked for this and arranged that all your source devices are sending video in a format your display handles well. But of course now with your new OPPO the calibrator is not there to check. So you need to figure out which combination of Color Space and Deep Color data format choices in the OPPO work best. An example of this is the consensus opinion here at AVS that Pioneer Kuro displays work better when fed RGB Video Level data format. Another example is certain Samsung displays which screw up Black levels if fed 1080p/24 video.

Third, calibration is the art of compromise. Sometimes the calibrator has to make choices as to what emphasis to put on different portions of the setup because it can't ALL be made perfect. Sometimes this is due to strange stuff coming from your current source devices. If the calibrator deliberately misadjusted an input to compensate for the incorrect video being put out by one of your older sources, and if you now use that input with the OPPO, then the result will no longer be good. You could of course change the settings in the OPPO to try to duplicate the incorrect video put out by your older source device, but really the correct answer is to change the displays settings for that input to now work with a new source, the OPPO, that is putting out correct video.

All of these, and in particular the first one, are things you can check for yourself if you get familiar with a good calibration disc like Spears & Munsil. If you DO find a problem, the first thing to look for is a basic setting mistake in your Display's setup for that input, and failing that, try to fix the video by using the level settings in the Display. Again, with its default settings, the OPPO is putting out correct video. Then experiment with the combinations of Color Space and Deep Color in the OPPO (e.g., that "Ratatouile" test) to see what works best with your Display.

If you find a problem, and have trouble finding the fix, then yes it would probably be wise to get your calibrator back in.
--Bob
post #20507 of 25187
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Originally Posted by Joe Schwartz View Post

I'm having the same problem with YouTube, and Netflix isn't working for me either -- when I try activating the device for Netflix, it says the activation code has expired. This is after I installed the latest firmware, but I haven't used either service in several months, so I don't know if the problems existed in earlier firmware versions.

Are you talking about the 0413 firmware that just came out yesterday?
--Bob
post #20508 of 25187
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Using the default Picture Adjustment (0) values in the OPPO will result in "reference" signals on the HDMI output. USUALLY this means that if your display has been properly calibrated you can just plug in the OPPO and not have to change anything.

There are several reasons why this might not be the case.

First, displays typically record settings separately for each input. If you plug the OPPO into a new input, you might not have the display set properly on that input to use its calibrated settings. Indeed your calibrator may not even have checked that unused input.

Second, displays often have quirks (let's be frank and call them bugs) which mean they don't handle all the possible input formats equally well. Your calibrator may have checked for this and arranged that all your source devices are sending video in a format your display handles well. But of course now with your new OPPO the calibrator is not there to check. So you need to figure out which combination of Color Space and Deep Color data format choices in the OPPO work best. An example of this is the consensus opinion here at AVS that Pioneer Kuro displays work better when fed RGB Video Level data format. Another example is certain Samsung displays which screw up Black levels if fed 1080p/24 video.

Third, calibration is the art of compromise. Sometimes the calibrator has to make choices as to what emphasis to put on different portions of the setup because it can't ALL be made perfect. Sometimes this is due to strange stuff coming from your current source devices. If the calibrator deliberately misadjusted an input to compensate for the incorrect video being put out by one of your older sources, and if you now use that input with the OPPO, then the result will no longer be good. You could of course change the settings in the OPPO to try to duplicate the incorrect video put out by your older source device, but really the correct answer is to change the displays settings for that input to now work with a new source, the OPPO, that is putting out correct video.

All of these, and in particular the first one, are things you can check for yourself if you get familiar with a good calibration disc like Spears & Munsil. If you DO find a problem, the first thing to look for is a basic setting mistake in your Display's setup for that input, and failing that, try to fix the video by using the level settings in the Display. Again, with its default settings, the OPPO is putting out correct video. Then experiment with the combinations of Color Space and Deep Color in the OPPO (e.g., that "Ratatouile" test) to see what works best with your Display.

If you find a problem, and have trouble finding the fix, then yes it would probably be wise to get your calibrator back in.
--Bob

Interesting and very good points all the way around. As a matter of fact, my brain leaked out of my ears a little after reading this. Don't worry, I'll be ok.

After going back and forth I actually thought about this... setting it up differently according to how it was originally calibrated and how that may very well affect the video, even audio output by hooking up the OPPO direct to the plasma and running the separate HDMI to the AVR for audio. So, I just got through putting it back to the original configuration, OPPO to the AVR, and through to the plasma, and after going back and forth both ways a couple of times, it does seem that going to the AVR from the OPPO has the better PQ. It's strange, but it does seem to be that.

So, it's configured according to the way it was originally calibrated. I was wondering if changing that may very well change something in the calibration. Rather, I feared maybe that was something that could happen. Nevertheless, it's back to the configuration that I know the calibration was done.
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

That's of course why you so often hear salty sea dogs referring to the Department of Acronyms Mnemonics and Names.

Bob ...let's not forget one of your most used acronyms on AVS ... ETA! To this day, i have no idea what this means
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Bob ...let's not forget one of your most used acronyms on AVS ... ETA! To this day, i have no idea what this means

Edited To Add
post #20513 of 25187
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Originally Posted by EDH63 View Post

The unfortunate thing about YouTube is that it's not a live stream of what's currently happening, unless I'm missing something. It's video of already happened events. I know on my Samsung I could select U Stream, which is a current and a live stream of what's happening. Like watching the Decorah Eagles live. Here's to hoping that OPPO will keep adding apps on future FW updates.

Google actually did live webcasts via Youtube of two recent events, the Winter Music Conference in Miami and Coachella in California.

I could not get the Leanback to play the WMC feed for more than a few seconds before it proceeded to another video and the Leanback interface was broken when Coachella was being aired.
post #20514 of 25187
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Originally Posted by tomcran View Post

I received a BDP-93 (my second one) yesterday, which I bought new on Amazon. It had the December 2011 firmware, as I'd hoped.

Mine came in yesterday and it also has the 1219 firmware. UPS came late, so I only had a little time to play before my wife came down for our evening of Deadliest Catch. I did play some of the 25th Anniversary Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Concerts (fantastic set of discs, by the way) and was very pleased.

I did not complete setup of the analog outs. For some reason, the Test Tone option on the Setup menu is grayed out. Never could get it turned on. Anyone have an idea why? I have a test disc with DTS-MA pink noise on it, so I can always use that. I likely won't be using the analog outs much; my Denon AVR-A100 does not apply Audyssey EQ or DSX processing to the analog inputs. So, most of my listening will be done via HDMI.

I tried connecting the Oppo directly to the projector's HDMI 2 input; cable run is 20 feet and it would not drive it. May be a loose connection at the PJ, but the Denon won't reliably drive a 20 foot Blue Jeans cable to the PJ either without a HDMI in line amp.

Overall, very pleased so far. Hope to have more time today to play with it. Oh yes, the wife got the black bag.
post #20515 of 25187
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Originally Posted by hjones View Post

For some reason, the Test Tone option on the Setup menu is grayed out. Never could get it turned on. Anyone have an idea why?

Make sure disc playback is completely stopped (STOP + STOP on the remote), or just eject the tray.

-Bill
post #20516 of 25187
I picked up an Oppo 93 2 months ago and have a question and a few problems.

1. Does anyone stockpile firmware images? I don't like the fact that now the device will not recognize .iso images and would like to roll back unless there is a
work around.

2. Is there any upside to using the multichannel rca style connectors out in lieu of HDMI for multichannel audio discs (sacd/dvd-a) ?

3. I'm having HDMI issues between the Oppo and a Yamaha RX-A2010 AVR. In almost all cases one or the other has to be turned off/on several times to get a connection worked out. Cable is good (blue jeans) and I used to have the Oppo hooked to a Onkyo TX-NR509 and never once had a problem. Firmware up to date on the Yamaha, but I haven't installed the 4/23 release for the Oppo yet.
post #20517 of 25187
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Originally Posted by itallushrt View Post

I picked up an Oppo 93 2 months ago and have a question and a few problems.

1. Does anyone stockpile firmware images? I don't like the fact that now the device will not recognize .iso images and would like to roll back unless there is a
work around.

You cannot rollback firmware. Contact OPPO to see if they can help you.

The FAQ has a topic: What are the alternatives to .iso files?

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2. Is there any upside to using the multichannel rca style connectors out in lieu of HDMI for multichannel audio discs (sacd/dvd-a) ?

That will depend on your receiver.

-Bill
post #20518 of 25187
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

You cannot rollback firmware. Contact OPPO to see if they can help you.

The FAQ has a topic: What are the alternatives to .iso files?



That will depend on your receiver.

-Bill

thanks. guess I'll cable up the multichannel out and see how it sounds.
post #20519 of 25187
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Bob ...let's not forget one of your most used acronyms on AVS ... ETA! To this day, i have no idea what this means

I too was confused as to what that meant until I opened the google search page for internet acronyms.

Everything you ever wanted to know and then some....
post #20520 of 25187
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Make sure disc playback is completely stopped (STOP + STOP on the remote), or just eject the tray.

-Bill

Got the test tone working, but it took a factory reset. Oppo hung on loading the reset. After 45 minutes I pulled the plug, powered back up and everything works OK - except that all speaker distances were set to 48 ft!
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