Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread - Page 692

I'm assuming the Panasonic BDT-220 is a very recent release. Considering all players released after beginning 2012 must be Cinavia enabled, another point of distinction between the Oppo and Panasonic might be susceptibility to Cinavia audio "corruption" (the Oppo is unaffected).

Hey guys, you will probably scream......Oh nooooo!...not another DNLA ?

I have had the 93 for a month now and Netflix has improved tremendously along with the SQ overall, very happy with the OPPO.

But, this DNLA thang has got me, support is great, but not for this as they have no idea about my system.

I have read as much of the thread as I can, but way, way too much. I have also access the "frequently asked questions section", changed settings, downloaded several servers, even though the tech said oShare would be sufficient. The OPPO cannot find any folders.

Being kind of green behind the ears, all this is a little difficult to understand, but hopefully you guys can make a few other suggestions. I know there are many, many reasons this is an issue. I have all types of music on the PC. Tech support also said I do not need any other DNLA ready devices such as my Onk 806 and Samsung plazma. They also implied I will be able to access online music stations as well. I am sure it is just a small issue, but I am dumfounded now. I have pretty much have adjusted/changed everything they suggested.

Obviously, this is sorta a beta thing and difficult to configure.

I have.....

Win7 Home premium.
ASUS new PC
Ethernet connection from PC to OPPO.

Again, I apologize as I am sure this is a broad subject, but Thanks, anyway! PMs welcome....

People often report quick success with Twonky. Give the free trial a try and see if that works. If not, we can go from there. For diagnostic help you might try the OPPO DLNA thread. The FAQ has a link.

-Bill

You have a router in between, right?

Yeah, I read that, thanks! I certainly could try Twonky, I suppose.



Yes, I do..... internet with Comcast.

BTW folks, another question about the Oppo's picture processing abilities:

I have a JVC RS55 projector and I've just added a Panamorph UH480 anamorphic lens, for CinemaScope films. Given the 2:35:1 images have to have processing to stretch it anamorphically - "Anamorphic Stretch Mode" - I have the option of either choosing the stretch mode on my JVC projector OR I can choose to have the Oppo BDP-93 do the anamorphic stretch.

Any advice as to which one I should choose? Is there reason to expect the Oppo's processing will be better than the JVC projector's stretch mode?

(I ask because some are saying the quality of the anamorphic stretch processing impacts image quality, and that high quality scalers like the Lumagen products make for a better image. I don't have Lumagen, so I'm simply looking for the best processing for anamorphic stretch I have).

Thanks.

I am auditioning a 93. I currently also have a BD-85 and a BD-210. I noticed that the contrast and brightness was different, is that typical going from a different manufacturer? Also, do I use the 36 bit? The chain is blu-ray to Onkyo PRsc5508 (Video turned off, not in pass-through), VideoEq, then JVC RS-45. I calibrated with the Panasonic as the source before I got the Oppo on Friday. I was going to re-run Calman and check things out. I was just wondering if I had something wrong. I was told that there were little differences between Blu-ray players other than some that would put out a wrong color pallete.

I don't have a projector, so am operating only from theory, but with stretch applied in the player you are covering the entire imaging element of your display device with picture data. Else you send the black bars which are a waste. This is perhaps not a vital distinction because BR does not have anamorphic encoding; you have to use the same vertical source pixels either way.

-Bill

Reviewers have found player models sending out wrong grayscale levels. Tests show the OPPOs put out reference levels, so I would check that you have the same processing on both display and receiver inputs (use the same input if you can) and then suspect the other player.

-Bill

Okay, I will recalibrate for the Oppo.

I am getting sound from the DVD's and Bluray and some of the movies that I play throught the USB port. However I get the vidio on netflix but no audio and I do not get audio from pandora. I have tried this with both wifi and ethernet internet connections. I am connected to my avr by hdmi

Any assistance would be greatly appreaciated

Yes but this involves a form of upscaling, since one is upscaling the original letter-boxed image to fill the full 16x9 1080p resolution. Hence, it seems reasonable to want the best upscaling processor to do the job.

What about playing a CD in the Oppo, any trouble with that?

Just be aware that some projectors will accept video levels (16-235) and PC video (0-255), some info here. Some players will output these same levels, Blu-ray, ATSC OTA, DVB-S (satellite) all use video levels of 16-235, therefore I set my player and projector for 16-235 (sometime call Standard levels). Some call PC levels Enhanced. See page 58 of the Oppo manual for more info.

So make sure all devices are set to the same reference video levels!

^ Do NOT use RGB PC Level output from the OPPO unless you find it is the only choice that allows you to calibrate your Display correctly.

It is intended for use with Displays designed to be used as computer monitors. It changes the step size between gray scale levels, and discards the Blacker Than Black and Peak White (foot room and head room) regions of the gray scale.

RGB Video Level is the preferred choice when using RGB video data format in Home Theater applications. (Either YCbCr choice is also, equally good.)

If your Display works better with RGB video data format input (instead of either YCbCr choice), then try to use RGB Video Level. Note that when using RGB from the OPPO you may need to make a "black levels" setting choice in your Display. This choice may be named just about anything, but it will only offer two settings. The setting you want is for Black = 16. The other choice (Black = 0) is for use with RGB PC Level input. This choice, if offered in the Display, has to be set MANUALLY. The HDMI handshake can tell that the video input format is RGB, but it CAN'T tell which of the two flavors of RGB is being sent.

Check the owner's thread for your model of Display for help on what this setting is called in your Display and what the two choices mean, as the choice names and use manual may very well be confusing. A setting that says it is for use with DVD players and set top boxes (instead of computers) is likely the right choice.

If there is a mismatch between which flavor of RGB you send from the OPPO, and this setting in your Display, then you will have trouble setting Black levels correctly -- meaning you will need an unusual amount of change in Brightness in your Display to get blacks right.
--Bob

The idea in a CIH projection setup is to use the pixels that would otherwise just be carrying the black letter box bars to hold real movie content. So you stretch the image vertically, which means all the pixels in the 16:9 matrix have real movie content in them -- at the expense of distortion (circles now look like tall ovals).

Then the projector OPTICALLY widens that -- using an anamorphic lens -- to restore the correct shape. The projector holds the vertically stretched image in its internal, digital buffer, and so the black letter box bars are never projected. Every pixel projected is a real movie pixel.

So the question is whether the stretch should best be done in the Source or in the Projector.

If you are using 1080p output from the OPPO for SD-DVDs then you should definitely do the stretch in the OPPO. The stretch becomes part of the upscaling algorithm, implemented in HD pixels. If you DON'T do the stretch in the OPPO (but are still upscaling to 1080p output), then the upscaling wastes the vertical resolution inherent in the space taken up by the black letter box bars.

If you are using 480i or 480p output from the OPPO for SD-DVDs then you should *NOT* do the vertical stretch in the OPPO, for the same reason you don't want to use 16:9 Wide/Auto with 4:3 SD content to have the OPPO add pillar box bars with 480i/480p output. Doing either of these adjustments with 480i or 480p output means the image is being manipulated using the larger, SD pixels instead of finer, HD pixels.

For Blu-ray movies, there is no pat answer. Theoretically the vertical stretch could be done equally well in either the OPPO or in the Projector. The choice is based on the quality of the scaling implementation in each. As best I can tell the OPPO does a fine job doing this itself, so I know of no reason to avoid using the OPPO implementation on HDMI 1.
--Bob

I'm sure you mean ethernet connection fro router to Oppo? Obviously the router is also ethernet connected to the PC.

On the PC you will need to tell your server software to allow access to the Oppo. I'm guessing you're currently using WMP. Many on this forum use Twonky.

Check your connections and your server software and access permissions and let us know how you go.

blairy

I just bought one, and since it allows me to have Blu-Ray on my aging TW65H80...I'm a happy camper...

I A/B'd DVD content and the downconverted 1080p to 1080i > 480p.

It is almost magical to see a Blu-Ray on my TW65H80 via component, with the AVR-5800 also outputing the same signal via composite to a monitor in my kitchen.

It was all put together together in 1999, before HDMI existed.

Eventually, when this TV breaks I'll have a better TV. =)

^ You are fortunate to get this now, since pretty soon now Blu-ray player makers won't be allowed to include Component video output sockets in the players.

Also, be aware that the Blu-ray spec includes an option, settable by the studios when authoring a disc, which forces the player to output no higher than 480p on Component during playback of that specific Blu-ray disc. This is much like the existing restriction that SD-DVD discs can't be upscaled for Component output higher than 480p, except that it is set disc by disc, by the studio, when the Blu-ray disc is authored. All Blu-ray players, even the oldest, implement this if you play such a disc.

Now, there are almost 0 Blu-ray discs out there today that are authored this way, but the expectation is that as the new rules come in prohibiting Component output jacks on new players, that studios WILL start making newer discs with that restriction set, so as to also inconvenience folks with existing, older player models. Those studios! Such kidders they are!

One thing to consider (depending on how long you keep this TV) is a gizmo like "HD Fury". It is a small adapter that you attach to the component input jacks on the back of your TV. It takes an HDMI signal and converts it to component video just as if your TV had its own HDMI input jack. As far as the player is concerned, it is sending to an HDMI TV -- so no restrictions.

You might even want to consider that now. As good as the Component video output of the OPPO is, its HDMI output is better.
--Bob

The HDMI audio output from the Netflix and Pandora apps is nothing complicated, so there's definitely something strange going on here.

A good starting point when the player is behaving strangely is to make sure your firmware is up to date and also do a reset of the player.

Check the firmware in Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information. Compare the version numbers for all three parts of the firmware (Main, Loader, and Sub/MCU) against the versions listed on the OPPO support page or in the firmware history portion of the first post of this thread.

Do the simple reset of the player as follows:

1) Remove any disc. Jot down your Setup settings.

2) In Setup, Erase Persistent Storage. Reset Factory Defaults. When the Easy Setup Wizard finishes, power down the player.

3) Pull the wall power plug for about 10 seconds.

4) Power up and re-enter your personal settings.

5) Power down again. Settings are saved during the power down cycle.

Now try the two apps again.

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If still no luck, test by using the Optical/Coax or Analog outputs of the player. If you get audio from both of those two apps on either of those styles of audio connection, then that says the app and the streaming are working and there is a problem with the HDMI audio processing -- most likely in your AVR. It's very unusual for something like that to happen for this very simple form of HDMI stereo audio -- particularly since the audio from movie discs is working. Give OPPO tech support a call and they can help you diagnose this further.

As Bill suggested, testing for audio from a CD would also be good as it uses the same type of HDMI audio.
--Bob

On your question of using 36 bit, start by getting the basic levels right using the controls in your projector. Leave the OPPO picture adjustments at their default (0) values. The OPPO puts out "reference" level HDMI signals with those default settings.

Now you STILL need to decide which video data format to use (e.g., RGB or YCbCr) and whether or not to use Deep Color or Dithering. First you will need to check that your calibrated levels still work for the other combos of Color Space and Deep Color setting -- i.e., other than what you originally used to do the calibration. There SHOULDN'T be a need to change anything, but some displays have, umm, quirks which require modest level changes according to the type of input video format they are fed.

Having checked that, learned any input format specific setting changes needed in your projector (if any), and eliminated any combos that CAN'T be made to work correctly with your projector (if any), the trick is now to decide between the combos that do work. Typical calibration charts are *NOT* good at highlighting the differences between combos that all seem to "work".

One way to do that is to use a critical test scene that is good at showing the (what by now should be) pretty subtle differences. I like to use a scene from Chapter 10 of "Ratatouille", Blu-ray. The following post discusses how:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=19915778

Again, you have to get the basic calibration stuff correct first, before you can expect to make a choice between formats like this.
--Bob

I actually thought of getting an HD Fury, but since it was not a domestically made or ordered product, I was a little afraid of buying one.

But, when my TV breaks, i'll be picking up a 70" 3d Elite the next day...KNOCK ON WOOD.

Let's hope that no accident happens to hasten that process, such as bumping into it while playing basketball in that room, or tipping over a cup of coffee into the vent holes on top, or testing the screen too vigorously with a jeweler's hammer to see if there are any "secret panels".

I hate it when those happen.
--Bob

Thanks for the advice. I used the internal brightness and contrast to match the Panasonic which I used as the source for the calibration. I then re-ran Calman and my greyscale and color gamut were virtually unchanged. So, it seems both players are dead on. A small conversation with Spectracal netted the same results. He confirmed their testing with Oppo was just a few clicks of brightness and contrast brought it in line with other players. Thanks for the all of the help. I wouldn't know what to do without this forum.

^ I'm still not sure we are on the same page here.

The OPPO puts out "reference" gray scale on HDMI using its default (0 value) Picture Adjustment settings. That is, the Luma values present in the disc content are output unchanged in the HDMI video -- across the full scale of Luma. (This is determined by digital data captures of the actual data coming out on the HDMI cable -- independent of any Display device or calibration system.)

The goal of calibration should not be to modify what the OPPO puts out to match what other players put out, because the other players may have errors.

Perhaps I misunderstood you. If what you were actually saying is that you found you only had to make small adjustments in the settings in your Display (compared to what you had found "best" when using other players) to get good calibration of video from the OPPO, then that makes sense. Any errors present in the output of those other players are not likely to be large.

But if you decided to modify the Picture Adjustment settings in the OPPO to match the output of other players, that's not correct.

I.e., you should only alter the Picture Adjustment levels in the OPPO to alter the video away from calibrated levels for personal taste/amusement, or to alter the video to correct for problems (bugs) in your Display which make it impossible to achieve good calibration using only the settings available in the Display.
--Bob

Will Oppo be coming out with a 4k resolution BDP player?

Thanks

Ask Again Later; The Future is Hazy
--Bob

Bob needs a Magic 8 ball picture for those posts. lol

Thanks, all fixed

You've got audio again from Netflix and Pandora? Cool!
--Bob