Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread - Page 695

This the first time you have tried an ISO file on the OPPO, correct?

Have you tested these files in any other way? You could burn them to writable disc. VLC will open and play DVD ISO files, but not BR the last I checked. It will play BR directory structures.

-Bill

OK, I am gonna try to burn the created (non functional in OPPO) DVD ISO´s to a RW disc, also try to play by VLC... I will post the result here...

Jan

An ISO must contain a valid video disc file structure, as in DVD-V, DVD-A or BDMV. So for example you cannot create a DVD ISO from a disc containing media files. You must access the file via the "movie" option on the home menu.

I'm using DVDFab 8 to create ISO files from our commercial DVD and Blu-ray disks. I don't recall that I had to change anything in the OPPO's settings in order to play the ISO files from a direct connected disk drive. I bought two of the DVDFab moduls. One for DVD material, and one for Blu-ray. I'm still running the September firm ware with the December version as backup just in case.

I have never downloaded an ISO file and I don't trust any of these torrents but every ISO I burned from my own BD disks played flawlessly so far on my 93. December firmware, of course.

Does the Oppo 93 need any breathing room? Is 1.5 inch on each side and on top enough space? (front and back is open). thx

I appreciate this info. Do you happen to know the preferred values for both the delay settings and repeat?

Thanks for this info, Blairy. These are just the kind of clever work arounds that I was looking for.

No I don't but it is easy to check the correct repeat setting.

In the troubleshooting portion of the Device settings for the OPPO (in your Harmony configuration), set the key repeat count to 0. I.e., sent once -- no repeats. Upload the adjusted configuration to your Harmony. The troubleshooting section you want will ask the question whether button presses seem to be ignored.

Use the player for a while. Performance in rapid Arrow key presses should be zippy.

HOWEVER, if you start noticing that the player is MISSING some of the key presses -- doing nothing so you have to press the key a 2nd time -- then raise the repeat count to 1.

Rinse and repeat.

When testing this, stand directly in front of the player with the remote pointed straight at the player so that you have a nice strong IR signal and won't confuse your test results with a weak or bounced signal.

The delay settings don't have anything to do with responsiveness in navigating menus. A delay setting delays the sending of the next command to give the device a chance to get its act together after the command just sent. So for example a power on delay holds any subsequent commands to give time for the power on operation to actually happen.

But there are no delays necessary between the Arrow button commands, and I don't even think the Harmony offers an option to include such a delay.
--Bob

I think you'll be OK with this so long as you still have the feet on the player, and, as you say, have the front and back open. There's heat that comes out of the bottom chassis plate, and the height added by the feet allows for air flow down there.

One way to check is to get one of those remote reading thermometers -- typically they are packaged to look like a gun and have a little laser light to show what you are pointing them at. Use that to check the temp of the underside of the shelf above the player. Also check the player facing surface of the side walls. If they are not rising much above ambient room temperature then the heat the player is generating is escaping from that space. I.e., it's just as good as if you had the player in the open. If they are, say 10 degrees or more above ambient then I'd look to increase the space to get more air flow. It's not the temp of the player chassis that matters. It's whether that heat is escaping as evidenced by the surrounding walls not heating up. If the surrounding walls are heating up, then you have the player in an oven.
--Bob

Thanks for your detailed explanation ! I will look into getting one of those thermometer, would be useful. Looks like I should be ok with my current space, the feet would still be on the 93, but I will check the temp once I do purchase the 93 and intergrate it into my system. Thanks again!

These remote sensing thermometer gizmos are typically sold in kitchen gadget stores. I'd presume they are on Amazon as well. They are also useful for things like checking the temperature of heating and cooling airflow coming from vents too high to reach easily.
--Bob

ImgBurn can create an ISO from any existing folder/file structure and is the program I use.

Bluray structure should be created as UDF 2.50 file format.

DVD structure is officially ISO/UDF 1.02 file format, but I'm not sure if any other UDF versions will work.

The above will not work if the folders/files do not adhere to the standard structures, so test the structures first for playback ability, if you can, before making an ISO.

AnyDVD HD can make an ISO directly from a Bluray disc (they call it an image file, but it's labeled .iso).

Anyone?
I still can not figure this out.

^ There is no delay setting in the OPPO. If you are using HDMI for audio, what you are likely seeing is the time it takes your AVR to believe the incoming digital audio stream is valid.

Check your AVR for settings that might affect this. For example it might have a "mute" setting which is designed to mute the start of a new audio format for a brief while to avoid hearing glitches before the digital audio "stabilizes". Or if might have an "auto-detect digital audio" setting which causes it to switch between digital and audio inputs based on whether or not digital audio is present. Try to set that so it ONLY expects digital audio.

It is not all that unusual for there to be a short audio startup delay as part of an HDMI handshake (such as when you begin playback on a new disc), but once the audio is going there are no handshakes, and so there should be no problem. In particular, if you find that you are losing the beginning of an already playing track just by doing a Track Back to restart the track, then that is almost certainly happening in your AVR.
--Bob

Radio Shack sells a little IR sensor, pocket-pen style. You just point it at your target and press a button to get a thermal readout. Works reasonably well.

thank you Bob... that makes perfect sense and I am sure is probably the issue.
thank you for taking the time to write that up for me.

Great, thx! Point and shoot, just the way I like it !
I'll take a look around see if I can find one, I really want that 'toy' now.. At least it doesn't sound as expensive as my other HT toys, the wife will like this..

You could use one of the digital outs (optical or coax) or even analogue for CD playback. This should solve the probelm as well.

blairy

Got my BDP-93 today via Amazon (no double-box)

I've configured it much the same way I did my BDP-83. So far I've tested Blu-Ray, DVD and DVD/HD content over DLNA. Everything seems fine for the most part except for one major and one minor annoyance:

The major: I'm not sure what it is doing exactly but after the first eight seconds of playback of any content from any source, there appears to be some kind of HDMI handshake going on. It seems like it is trying to determine if the content is film or video and is trying to adjust. The result on my display (Samsung LN55A950) is a brief disruption of audio and video with the display being completely filled with tiny dots (maybe slightly multi-colored). I believe another user posted something similar recently but I do not recall what word he used to describe it.

The closest thing I had seen occur with my BDP-83 was a brief flash of green color across the whole screen but that was only during startup and did not happen again while the unit was on. I found out later this was due to the Color Space setting being left on "Auto". Once it was changed to 4:4:4, I was able to eliminate this brief flash of color. What I am seeing with the BDP-93 is different, I believe, and is happening way too often.

I did check my 24p setting and it is to Auto. Although, I believe I may have had it set to On with the 83. Changing this setting doesn't have any effect on seeing the "sparkling", however. Since my system also does not support 3D, I made sure to disable this option in the setup menu.

The minor: I like the translucent menus for subtitles/audio, but not the animation. I was surprised to find there is no option to disable this. I find it slower than just displaying the info.

The first improvement I was able to take advantage of with the new player was the ability to resume playback with DLNA content. Nice. The video quality through the QDEO processor seems unchanged vs the BDP-83's processor but that is fine. I was not necessarily expecting improvement in this area, at least not with Blu-Ray material. Two other reasons I bought this player: 1) Tray mechansim improvement, and 2) No noisy fan!

I have firmware BDP9x-65-0303 installed.

I will be testing Hi-Res audio next.

Hopefully, this audio/video interruption I am seeing isn't something unique to my setup. Better still, I hope I can eliminate it somehow.

As an experiment, set 1080p24 OFF. Make sure you are using 1080p output, not
Source Direct.

Now the player will send everything at 1080p60. Does that make a difference?

If not, try other explicit color spaces (although I'd skip RGB PC).

-Bill

I tried disabling 1080p/24 (not using source direct). It did not help. I also changed the color space to 4:2:2. That did not help, either. Also, interesting to note- when I made the color space change, my display briefly went blank (without the tiny dots) and then returned to the menu. I think it may be safe to assume that the color space setting is not the cause.

I've now noticed that just starting the player and going to the Setup or Home menu will also cause this to happen. Additionally, it will happen when a Blu-Ray is changing video/audio during load. It consistently happens within the first eight seconds of playback of the start of any title. I wonder what the player is doing at this stage vs the BDP-83 model.

I should also mention this isn't the first time that I have ever seen this on my display. I purposely have a computer connected to the second HDMI input and configured the port for "PC use". It is not being passed through my A/V receiver. Sometimes when switching over to HDMI 2, I will see the tiny dots everywhere. So, this is behavior that existed outside of the Blu-Ray players I've used before but now appears to be a very inclusive part of the BDP-93, unfortunately. Not saying fault lies with the player, but how my display is reacting to whatever the player is doing differently.

I have to also add that stopping playback, then returning to the "network" DLNA server menu (where my files are displayed) will cause it to happen also. Wow. There is definitely some HDMI activity going on at various points that is new to this model.

I guess it wouldn't hurt to install the latest firmware. There isn't anything included that I am interested in necessarily, and I've already lost out on the .iso support.

If you are talking about the video dropouts, I was the one 'complaining' about it earlier. I never lost audio tho. Glad that someone else confirmed what I was/am going thru. I changed the HDMI cable (3 total) that 'seemed' to 'fix' or rather 'lesson' the dropout frequency/duration, but I feel it was more or less a placebo effect as the issue never went away and now has seem to just occur the same as it did in the beginning with the other cables.

The family is seriously frustrated with the Oppo and are literally, on a daily basis ever since I installed the Oppo, to put the old LG player back in.I figure I can give it another week to get the newest FW bugs out, or I will be forced to comply to the families wishes.

Better yet, can I just revert to the previous FW (the FW that came with the player) at all? I know I could do that with the LG when they screwed up each subsequent FW revision. But can it be done on the Oppo as well and as easily?

I really do not think we are being unreasonable. Life is to short to deal with needless frustration when there are oh so many other options to choose from.

Can't revert. I forgot. Then YouTube wouldn't work. Of course, it stopped working (again) anyway, and even when it worked it was slow/clunky and just a poor interface that frankly, sucks.

The more I think about it, the more I think I'm just going to go ahead and put the LG back in and pull the Oppo. I'll watch the forum here to see about any 'fix' that comes along and decide what to do with it then. Going to miss the audio nirvana the 93 brings to the table. But the 570 really isn't that much of a slouch in that department. No worries here...

That's not possible thanks to Netflix requirements.

With the OPPO resale value so high, how much of a risk would it be to just use the LG until the firmware fix comes in?

Exactly...

What you're seeing is HDMI handshaking. Nothing more and nothing less. You fail to mention how your player is connected. If you're not using both HDMI outs, try doing so. If you ARE using both, try using just one. Swap in different HDMI cables too.

With a 3-chip architecture, this player has extraordinarily complicated handshakes, and there is no one fix for all display and AVR combinations. Fixing one can break 3 others. Finding the right combination of settings in all connected devices will fix many such issues, but not all.

Yeah, I figured HDMI is involved. The player is connected via HDMI 1 output to a Yamaha RX-V3800 receiver, which then goes to the Samsung LN55A950 display.

I'm already ahead of you and decided to see how the player did connected directly to the TV. I used HDMI 2 going to a different HDMI input on the display. Guess what? No more tiny dots! In fact, the player seems a lot more responsive. I get it, perhaps something to do with the reduced cable length and no "middle man" receiver getting in the way. My display is only HDMI 1.3 compliant if I'm not mistaken so the TV has no advantage there.

And, yes, I've heard plenty of reports about A/V receivers being the bottleneck when it comes to HDMI handshaking. I specifically asked about this before purchasing the 93. I was told the backwards compatibility with HDMI 1.3 would mean passing it through my old receiver wouldn't be a problem. Keep in mind, I also have no video processing being done by the receiver. I've set it to "pass through". I even have short 3' HDMI cables being used between devices.

All of this worked fine with the BDP-83, of course. I could try changing cables but I am hesitant to believe that will making any difference. I'm more inclined to believe that the 93 is trying to first negotiate to HDMI 1.4 specs and the receiver is having a problem with that. Dunno why the TV hooked up directly is not.

jdryyz,I found two different ways of avoiding the handshakes.In the set up Menu/Video/Primary output I select Analog and 1080p when HDMI 1 in use or If you use HDMI2 for video I set the resolution to 1080p.The only setback is that in both settings you can't use the Marvel chip.
Here is my set up
93>HDMI1>DVDO EDGE>73"Mitsubishi for video and HDMI2 >UMC1for audio.Handshakes are gone.I hope that helps