Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread - Page 703

Can I ask what is gapless playback?

Thanks

Wiki: Gapless playback

Got it, thanks!

gapless palyback needs to come from your DLNA server, so go back to the manufacturer of that software with a request for a new feature.

Can someone please pitch me on the loading performance of the 93. I've read that load times are significantly better than most BD players out there but I'd like to hear from anyone here about their first-hand experiences.

I currently own an Elite 23FD and it's a bugger; some disks just sit and don't load; others hang about 12 chapters mid-stream requiring a hopeful reset - sometimes to no avail; many disks simply take friggin forever to get to the main menu.

Performance is just as important as picture quality to my household.

Amazing player...my first Blu-Ray player...

The bookmarking feature is amazing.

The ability to stop watching one movie and have it return to where I am after wathcing another is just amazing.

I have been using Oppo players exclusively since the 970 model. I use them as players or transports for my digital processor because I was told early on that Oppo was once of the players that are considered bit transparent for sending a digital signal to a high end processor. I currently have two Oppo Blu Ray players and I called them on Monday because I didn't have a current update for my 93 model, and I received their disc update on Tuesday and that is their story. Superior products backed by really , really good customer service so I thought I would share another, Oppo happy customer.

I have doing pretty extensive research across the net on the capabilities of an HTPC. My question is for those of you that have had experience with both an HTPC and the Oppo. Is the video/audio degraded when watching a bluray title from an HTPC through XBMC as opposed to an Oppo 93? If there is a difference, and is it very noticeable?

My main purpose would be for ripping movies to mkv. files and importing them into XBMC for playback. I have a large bluray library and the possibility of consolidating them sounds very appealing (WAF). However, I would definitely forego the HTPC if the Oppo produces a superior bluray picture/audio. Thanks in advance.

Nothing beats an HTPC when it comes to media compatibility. Blu Ray was fine for me on my HTPC using Power DVD and I noticed no degradation in picture or sound compared to the Oppo. I just got tired of updates and trying to get the HTPC to behave like all my other HT gear. HTPCs are hard to just set and forget, and I got tired of tinkering with it so I went with the Oppo 93.

Dear OPPOphiles: Hate to bring this up after a lot of happiness with my OPPO 93 and 700 pages of AVS comments on this nice machine (with .ISO capabilty).

Has anyone noticed a roller paintbrush effect from the HDMI 1 output on 60 Hz material like movies made for TV? The effect I refer to is very noticible on faces and just smoothes them out, removing any detail. The entire frame is affected in the same way.

This very objectionable problem disappears completely if you use the HDMI 2 output, (not as sharp) with the same 60 Hz material in the same scenes. The problem is also not present with other movie material at 24 frames/sec.

Using the 1219 Firmware, 10 foot screen and Epson 5010, OPPO direct to projector.

gil

^ Are you using 1080i or 1080p output? Do you have any of the Picture Adjustment settings changed from their default (0) values?

What happens if you use Source Direct output on HDMI 1?

If you are using 1080i or Source Direct on HDMI 1 but 1080p on HDMI 2, it may be that your projector has the fault found in some displays where half the vertical resolution is discarded in de-interlacing 1080i to 1080p for display.

(There is no Faroudja processor in the Oppo.)
--Bob

If "Mad Men" via HD disks from Netflix fits your definition of a "movie made for TV", then I haven't noticed any smoothing with HDMI 1. We are running the firmware from September 2011.

If you mean low budget films that never make it to the theaters, then I don't think I've seen any of those. I try to get all our movies on shiny disks. My first suspect would be compression by the folks providing your TV connection. It would be interesting to know if a show like "Mad Men", when broadcast, has been compressed when compared to the BD version from Netflix.

EDIT: Our display is a 60" Kuro, and we output 1080p @ 60 Hz from the OPPO. Of course, Bob's suspicions should be investigated first.

Using the same selected output from the OPPO for both HDMI1 and HDMI2:
1080P/24.
Never use cable or broadcast for movies; always shiny discs (DVD) and Blu-Ray when available.
Examples recently were "Generation Kill" and the "Titanic" 4 series version made for TV (60Hz).
The HDMI1 is routed directly to the projector and the HDMI2 output is routed through the ONKYO 805 amplifier. The latter video output from HDMI2, never shows this problem (HDMI2).
Whatever the 'special processing' out of HDMI1, it always looks better than HDMI2 except for this problem on 60Hz material and only intermittently.
It is hard to ignore the 'effect' on faces.
Definitely a problem.
I don't think we see this with Denon 2500. I will double check and report specifc encounters next time it happens.
gil

^ Get the disc details to OPPO. It should be pretty easy for them to check if the difference between HDMI 2 (good) and HDMI 1 (bad) is that obvious.

The most likely thing that is happening is that something about the content is causing the HDMI 1 path to drop resolution as part of de-interlacing the 1080i/60 content on the disc If so, and presuming your projector is not affected by the same issue, switching to 1080i output on HDMI 1 should ALSO make the problem go away since now your projector is doing the de-interlacing. (I'm assuming your projector can actually accept 1080p/60 video.)
--Bob

Thanks hawkfan. Do you have any experience playing media though xbmc and any comparisons with quality as opposed to the Oppo?

Some would argue that XBMC's output is not as good as it could be if, for example, you could use your choice of video renderer. The way to have your cake and eat it, too, is to set MPC-HC as an optional external player for XBMC and use LAV Filters and madVR with it. You decide which player to use when you select the movie.

Yes, this is a bit fiddly.

Anyway, it may not look better than with the Oppo (I'm still using a BDP-83), but XBMC's library fucntion sure is more convenient than hunting for discs or scrolling through endless DLNA menus.

^This is why I abandoned the HTPC. I felt I could never make it as user friendly as my other HT gear. Boot times, quircky software, multiple codec packs, and getting the HTPC to reliably respond to my Harmony remote were all issues for me. Once Oppo came out with the 93 with DLNA and all the internet streaming options, I pretty much shelved the HTPC. The idea of having one device as a 'media center' still intrigues me though, so I kept the HTPC and hope to find a use for it as it is virtually limitless in its potential if configured correctly.

Same here. I would also add fan noise, multiple software updates, and constant fiddling with settings, and I just got tired of dealing with the quirks of my HTPC.

When the 93 came out, and especially when ISO playback was added, it allowed me to retire my HTPC. I agree though that an HTPC has unlimited potential, and there are some aspects I miss such as gapless playback of music files.

All fixed. Problem with my TV not the Oppo.

blairy

Why not explain.

If the DLNA server supports gapless playback then it makes no difference what the Oppo does or doesn't do, albeit, you would not get per-track information. At least in my mind, the easy way to do gapless playback on a DLNA server is to supply a LPCM stream to the Oppo and on the server side, just convert whatever the input files are to LPCM. (You might replace LPCM with WAV.)

I don't believe that to be true. For instance, Foobar supports gapless playback playing on a pc or streaming through it's DLNA server, however, when streaming to the Oppo, it's not gapless. Even if you stream via a cue sheet, the Oppo inserts a gap between tracks. Same with streaming via a playlist file.

The only way I've found to get gapless playback is playing/streaming a single per-disc file. If you do a search of this thread or the 95 thread, you'll see this is a common complaint, so it's not new information. Even on Oppo's Facebook page, they admit gapless playback is not possible at this point.

If you have experience streaming gapless to your Oppo 93/95, please list the software used and any special settings, or are you just arguing hypothetically.

Using downloads from HDTracks, I've made 96/24 stereo DVDs using lplex (free software at SourceForge.net) and DVD-Audio disks in other configurations using DVD-Audio Tools (also SourceForge) and Cirlinca HD-Audio Solo Ultra (very powerful and not very expensive).

Does this discussion suggest that the Oppo 93 would insert pauses beyond what a standard DVD player or DVD-Audio player would in playing those disks?

What about burning flac files directly to disk? Would the 93 add gaps there?

Or is this whole discussion simply about DLNA streaming?

(I haven't gotten an Oppo yet because of my finances - I'm still playing music disks with a Denon 2910 and Blu-rays with the first-generation Panny BD50.)

Are there any plans for Oppo to release a successor to the BDP-93 any time soon? Just asking because I know it was released almost 2 years ago, and not sure how often Oppo releases new players.

Can anybody recommend a good primer on how to rip a DVD so I can view it on my Oppo?

OPPO doesn't usually discuss futures or schedules, so there is no public info available.

There is a thread for new desired features so you can see what people are hoping for: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1365649

-Bill

Try videohelp.com for a huge library of guides and tools.

The FAQ has a section on formats and tools: What are the alternatives to .iso files?

-Bill

Yes, agree that some DVDs, notably 60Hz material, like a good example of smoothed featureless faces in "Shacklton" disc 1 at 8 minutes, 20 to 40 seconds, is hard to ignore and may be something odd and occasionally recorded to the discs. The "Shackleton DVD is an important and notable film made for A&E cable.
Switching the OPPO from 1080 Progressive to 1080 interlace did not change or improve anything. The problem remained and I do not think this has anything to do with interlacing.
This effect is only from HDMI #1 from the OPPO 93 processing and not from any other DVD Player like the DENON 2500 or at any time with any material from the HDMI#2 out of the OPPO with no changes to the Epson 5010 connection, direct from the OPPO.
I will contact OPPO. No intention of changing the very capable 1219 firmware. gil

I'm not sure I'm following your question, but I don't think the Oppo would add additional gaps if you have a download of an entire album, for instance, and burn it to a disc.


Many (most?) software programs will automatically insert a 2 second gap between tracks, although this can typically be adjusted. If individual flac files are burned to a disc without gaps I would assume the Oppo would play the disc gapless but I've never tried.


DLNA streaming and also digital playback from attached hard drives.

I don't usually burn digital files to discs so I can't really answer how the Oppo would treat gapless playback on user-created discs, especially individual digital files. I do know that if you create a CD image or a DVD-A image, you can burn the image to a disc, and the Oppo will play it just as it would the original disc.