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post #21211 of 26645
So I have my new receiver now and it seems to play very nice with the 93. ALL of the anomalies I was seeing before involving HDMI handshaking are now gone! I can use HDMI 1 output through the AVR without having to compromise any settings.

I went with the Yamaha RX-A2010. It is a nice upgrade for many reasons, but as often happens, there are are some things I preferred with the old (RX-V3800) AVR.

It wasn't too difficult to swap the two units out. I've done minimal tweaking and I'm pleased with the results for the most part.
post #21212 of 26645
^ Cool! Enjoy.
--Bob
post #21213 of 26645
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Be sure to go through Bob Pariseau's post carefully.

There is no such thing as a "Plug and Play" LAN which is what you're dealing with. The Internet and web based streaming providers offer their own tar pit of gotchas. When I'm looking for help in that whole area, I stick to the positive points of view because those folks are looking for solutions.

I'm curious because you mention a 15 day return period, while OPPO and Amazon have a thirty day return period. Where did you buy your OPPO? Maybe it's obvious, but my guess is somewhere in Canada.

That's correct, it was purchased from authorized Canadian dealer which only offers a 15 day return policy. It's only been 3 days and I wanted to be convinced my problems stemmed from something other than the hardware. I don't usually buy electronics online but in Montreal, the selection is poor for high end electronics. Knowing that I have a poor router, it adds to my confusion , I'm not sure if that's the cause of my streaming problems. I'll be looking at some routers in my local electronics store tomorrow, ill assess the situation then. This forum has really been a great help and I do thank everyone for their input
post #21214 of 26645
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Originally Posted by rondon View Post

This forum has really been a great help and I do thank everyone for their input

It's impossible to be everywhere at AVS, but of the threads that I've spent a lot of time in since 2002, this is one of the very best for the helpful people and the high quality of the information that's provided.

If I were in your situation I would keep plugging away. I can't speak for OPPO service in Canada, but I'll bet you can get good information via email from the folks at OPPO here in Mountain View.

I once needed phone support that was located in Canada. The phone bill was a bit high.
post #21215 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The default (0 value) Picture Adjustment settings in the OPPO put out "reference" image values on the HDMI cable. If you are finding them at odds with your display calibration, there are several possible explanations:

1) Your calibrator made a mistake. Let's discount this one, at least for now.

2) You are not actually using the calibrated settings. Displays these days typically remember settings separately for each input. If the calibrator set up input A, but you are actually using input B, then you may not have the calibrated settings in effect. If you copied over settings yourself, double check what you've done. If your calibrator made any service menu level adjustments, it may be he didn't do that for every input in your display. In addition, you need to be aware that various convenience or enhancement settings in the display might mean you are no longer using the calibrated settings. For example, you can't just change "Picture Modes" willy-nilly. And if there are "enhancement" settings like "flesh tone enhancement", you can't set those differently from what the calibrator used.

3) Your calibrator deliberately adjusted things "slightly off". Sometimes displays have problems that can't be fully corrected. In which case calibrators need to pick compromise settings that come as close as possible without being "too wrong" in any respect.

4) You are using a different video data format from the OPPO than what you calibrator expected you would use. The data format is the combination of the HDMI Color Space and Deep Color settings. Now, it *SHOULDN'T* make a difference which data format combo you pick as far as whether the basic, color Saturation and Hue levels are correct. But some displays have quirks (a polite name for bugs) which make them work better with one video input format than another. Your calibrator may have checked things, for example, assuming you would use RGB Video Level instead of YCbCr 4:4:4 or the other way around. And if you are using the other, AND your display has an issue like this, then it might show as a slightly off set of color settings.

Think about what the calibrator set up for you, and what you might have done setting things to your liking after he finished. That may lead you in the right direction. Item (2) above is the most likely cause, so think about those possibilities first.

And if none of that gives you an answer, think about talking to your calibrator and see if he comes up with an answer.

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NOTE: The Blue gel filter that comes with Spears & Munsil comes in two densities in a single cardboard strip. A third, even deeper density can be achieved by folding the filter in half so that you are looking through both at the same time. The reason is that the filter can potentially let through some Red and some Green and thus confuse what you see. This will be more likely if you have a very bright display like an LED display set for use in a non-darkened room. The thing to do is to bring up the Color Bars chart on Spears & Munsil and then look at it through the lighter density Blue filter. What you want to see is if the Red and Green bars in the chart are *COMPLETELY* black. If not, then switch to the darker density Blue filter. IF they are STILL not completely black, then fold the filter in half and look through both filters together.

Once you have figured out which density of Blue filter works for your display, THEN you can check whether color Saturation and Hue settings are correct. If you use too light density a Blue filter, then the Red and Green that sneak past the filter for the non-Blue portions of the chart will confuse your result.

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If on rechecking Spears & Munsil this way you discover the calibrated TV settings along with the default (0) Picture Adjustment settings in the OPPO really ARE correct, but you are still having problems with certain movies, then the odds are you are just seeing an authoring difference in those movies. The color may be a bit "off" for artistic intent, or it may just be an issue in the transfer to disc.

In such case, SURE! If you feel like adjusting the Picture Adjustment settings for personal taste, then go for it! Just be sure to return them back to the default (0) values before you view anything new, as it likely won't have the same issues. The Mode settings in Picture Adjustment let you preset 3 sets of Picture Adjustment settings that you can move between at will.
--Bob

Thank you all for your input and help...

Here is sone additional info...


Yes, my calibrator did do a full gray scale calibration and yes it was quite thorough. He's a great guy and I found him very cool and imformative.

However, the displays settings are all now GREYED-OUT and I am unable to change anything on the TV in the ISF-NIGHT setting (which is how he set it up). So, I can only effectively make changes (if need be) in the player (I do NOT have a amp or receiver in the chain).

With regard to the blue filter. Yes, I did read the article (all of them infact in the bluray booklet and on the excellent Spears & Munsil website). Very very informative indeed. Thank you.

Now, using the single layer blue filter... the red and green bars are nowhere near black and the hue and saturation are slightly off (under saturated and negative red), but when you look through the other blue filter side... everything looks MUCH better. The red and green bars are very nearly black (almost as dark as the other bars), and the descrepancies in the hue and saturation are much harder to see.

When I fold the blue filter in half and look through it... the green and red bars are jet black and the same as the other bars. The hue and saturation look spot on with no noticeable difference in intensity.

I hope this makes sense... Is the calibrator correct and I do not need to change anything in the Oppo player?

Thank you again... I find all of this very fascinating. Cheers.

P.S. I do have BD Digital Essentials with the red and green filters. They seem to look o.k. to me. tbh - not sure what I'm to look for with those.
post #21216 of 26645
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Originally Posted by blairy View Post

Noticed this some time ago and don't recall it being discussed on this thread. My oppo is set to MCH for SACD however all my SACD's play in stereo.

Takes some fiddling about and changing settings to get these to play MCH.

Am I doing something wrong or is this a known issue? Is there a work around to resolve this?

Thanks
blairy

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Nope, should be automatic. I presume you mean the on-screen Info, while playing the disc, says you are playing the 2.0 layer when you expect to see the 5.1 layer.

If you press the Audio button, does it switch to the 5.1 layer on screen? The track currently playing should start over.

Get in touch with OPPO on specific titles in case they have some history on them.

I suppose it is possible you have a hardware fault in the loader (not seeing the 5.1 layer). Or a fault in your Settings memory (not using your default 5.1 choice).

Physically, the stereo and Mch tracks are on the same "layer" of the disc, so a loader issue is unlikely.

I'd suggest not only a reset to defaults, but unplugging the player also.
post #21217 of 26645
starman7,
I replied to your post in the other OPPO thread.
--Bob
post #21218 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

starman7,
I replied to your post in the other OPPO thread.
--Bob

So, any word if there is a new oppo coming soon?


(sorry, could not resist)

Bob,
What is your breaking point on people asking you when there is a new oppo coming? You must have answered the question a hundred times..Will 200 send you over the edge? 300? We all have a tipping point..
post #21219 of 26645
It's not 300, because that's how many times he's answered questions about the sub-par Netflix app. Sub-par because that's what Netflix gives Oppo.
post #21220 of 26645
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Originally Posted by rondon View Post

Hello everyone, I've just received my new player today and I'm not sure if I should return it for being defective. I'm using a wireless connection but I'm unable to connect to youtube At all. Whenever I select the designated youtube icon, it freezes the player. I constantly have to turn it off to exit the screen.

How fast is your internet connection?
How congested is it?

FWIW, freezing the player is not hard when networking is involved if you play around with things behind the scenes or try to work too quickly. So if you are experiencing this then the network connection to youtube is not behaving. Could also be your router. Just saying. I wouldn't, for example, recommend downloading movies, etc, in the background whilst trying to view content via youtube on the Oppo.
post #21221 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Gil Arroyo View Post

What is a "Radiolike Noise"?

it is like when tuning an am radio in between stations the staic noise associated with it. It ened up being the hdmi cable causing it. just swapped it out. not a pro but oppo knew what to do. They also helped me to explain in detail (I don't get), to another person who thought he knew better an audio issue with the 93. I thought that was really cool.
post #21222 of 26645
I have some 32-192 WAV tracks and the Oppo doesn't play them. They play fine in my computer through VLC. The Oppo displays them in the browser as WAV but they won't play.
post #21223 of 26645
I just received my '93 the other day and want to set it up with HDMI1 going straight to the TV and HDMI2 going to the AVR and then to the TV. This way I can get the benefits of the AVR video processing when I want to and also go direct to the TV when I don't. Are there any limitations to either of the HDMI OUT ports? Other considerations I need to keep in mind? The manual appears a bit confusing and limited on this issue. As you can see by my 'new member' status, I am quite new at this. I apologize if this topic has already been covered on this humongous thread. Thanks.
post #21224 of 26645
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

.srt files have time codes for each subtitle so there would be no point to a manual sync procedure.

Are you saying the subtitles are not displaying at the times specified in the file?
-Bill

No, that's not what I'm saying. I am referring to the ability to adjust the time subtitles appear by a +ve or -ve offset, so that they appear in sync with the corresponding audio/video. One way to do that would be to edit the .srt file in a software like Subtitle Workshop, and then play the media. Other would be to adjust it while playing the media, like its possible in VLC or XBMC.

That is useful when subtitles are not from the same source as the media itself, e.g. the movie is a dvdrip and the subtitle is from opensubtitles.org.

But I think I have my answer. Oppo doesn't offer this functionality. Thanks anyway.
post #21225 of 26645
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Originally Posted by zindra View Post

I have some 32-192 WAV tracks and the Oppo doesn't play them. They play fine in my computer through VLC. The Oppo displays them in the browser as WAV but they won't play.

The OPPO output is limited to 24-bit 192KHz. It may not have the ability to play 32 bit content (e.g., by truncating the lower order bits). I've never tried it.

By the way, the limits of human hearing for dynamic range are roughly 20 bit. That is, if you had a low enough noise floor and and a high enough volume setting to discern the low order bit in 32-bit samples, then the high order bit would be, umm, dangerously loud.

Alternatively, if you set volume so that the high order bit doesn't cause your ears to bleed, odds are you won't be able to discern the low order bit.

I guess this begs the question, who's producing such tracks, and what makes them think their RECORDING equipment is able to discern a full 32-bit range of volumes? Or do they simply tack on 0-valued low order bits as padding to round up the samples to the 32 bit size? Or record random noise down there?

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ETA: Checking the OPPO Wiki FAQ (link available at the top of the first post of this thread), I see WAV support listed up to 24 bit, but I don't see 32 bit showing for any audio format. That doesn't mean it can't be done (possibly by truncation) but it does mean folks haven't reported it working as of yet.
--Bob
post #21226 of 26645
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Originally Posted by saurav View Post

No, that's not what I'm saying. I am referring to the ability to adjust the time subtitles appear by a +ve or -ve offset, so that they appear in sync with the corresponding audio/video. One way to do that would be to edit the .srt file in a software like Subtitle Workshop, and then play the media. Other would be to adjust it while playing the media, like its possible in VLC or XBMC.

That is useful when subtitles are not from the same source as the media itself, e.g. the movie is a dvdrip and the subtitle is from opensubtitles.org.

But I think I have my answer. Oppo doesn't offer this functionality. Thanks anyway.

There's certainly no way to do it through the current User Interface in the player.

Are these parameters you would set in the file using some other tool, so that the player would just have to decode and apply them? Does one setting suffice for the entire file? Or does the +/- shift have to be able to vary during the course of the movie?

If this is standard meta-data, then it may be something OPPO can add in a future update. It certainly would not hurt to write up what you'd like the subtitles processing to be able to do (e.g., which meta-data fields you are talking about, and what their behavior is defined to be) and email that to OPPO. They'll likely need to get support from the decoder maker to add something like this.

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ETA: There's also the rather important question of whether adding support like this might break any existing subtitle files people are already using -- because those files happen to have bogus values in those meta-data fields which are just being ignored at the moment.
--Bob
post #21227 of 26645
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Originally Posted by streamerlover View Post

So, any word if there is a new oppo coming soon?


(sorry, could not resist)

Bob,
What is your breaking point on people asking you when there is a new oppo coming? You must have answered the question a hundred times..Will 200 send you over the edge? 300? We all have a tipping point..

Oh it doesn't bother me. But now, my evil twin brother, Skippy, he DOES get a bit twitchy when reading such stuff.

Which reminds me, it's time for his meds -- and a recheck of those leather straps....
--Bob
post #21228 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Raym1234 View Post

I just received my '93 the other day and want to set it up with HDMI1 going straight to the TV and HDMI2 going to the AVR and then to the TV. This way I can get the benefits of the AVR video processing when I want to and also go direct to the TV when I don't. Are there any limitations to either of the HDMI OUT ports? Other considerations I need to keep in mind? The manual appears a bit confusing and limited on this issue. As you can see by my 'new member' status, I am quite new at this. I apologize if this topic has already been covered on this humongous thread. Thanks.

The FAQ has this: Are there any restrictions on using both HDMI outputs at the same time?

Otherwise, the basic difference is that with HDMI1 you have the option of QDEO processing and with HDMI2 you don't.

-Bill
post #21229 of 26645
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Originally Posted by rich3fan View Post

It's not 300, because that's how many times he's answered questions about the sub-par Netflix app. Sub-par because that's what Netflix gives Oppo.

post #21230 of 26645
Thank you Bob,
I assumed that since the DAC is 32bit it would support 32bit audio playback. It's just two tracks from 45rpm vinyl ripped in both 24 and 32bit, just to check if there was any audible difference, which I guess not as you say. Thank you for your support once more.
post #21231 of 26645
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Originally Posted by zindra View Post

Thank you Bob,
I assumed that since the DAC is 32bit it would support 32bit audio playback. It's just two tracks from 45rpm vinyl ripped in both 24 and 32bit, just to check if there was any audible difference, which I guess not as you say. Thank you for your support once more.

I don't think you can get 32 bit digital audio on the HDMI cable, so OPPO would have to do something special to maintain 32 bits into the DAC and still truncate it for HDMI output. I suspect the 32-bit internal DAC path is actually used to provide the processing headroom for all the things the DAC is being asked to do, but I haven't really looked into it.

If there's a commercial source of such 32 bit tracks, it wouldn't hurt to pass on the info to OPPO so they can see what might be involved in supporting them. But as with 384KHz sample rate tracks (which the OPPO also doesn't support), it really probably falls into the class of overkill in terms of what your ear can ever be expected to hear regardless of how good the rest of your equipment.
--Bob
post #21232 of 26645
Hardly any DAC, even high end models, support 32bit playback.

32bit is irrelevant as an audio format, even if some sound cards can record in 32bit.
post #21233 of 26645
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Originally Posted by saurav View Post

Separate .srt files are supported for my media format (.avi, not sure of the codecs right now). Its just that sometimes the subs are out of sync with audio/video. That is, they show up a bit too early or late, which I need to adjust by introducing some kind of a +ve/-ve delay so BDP-93 renders them that much later (or sooner).

That's rather something you should fix in the file itself.

Use a software tool (for example Gaupol) to sync the subtitles to the movie, or find a different subtitle file online that is in sync with the movie file.

That way, the file will be synced permanently, and you won't have to do it manually every time you play the file on a player that supports manual resync (the Oppo doesn't do that anyway).
post #21234 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post


Your point? Still antagonizing huh splicer?
post #21235 of 26645
rich3fan and splicer010:

enough...or you'll both lose the ability to post in this thread.
post #21236 of 26645
Hi everyone, Can anyone tell me why my oppo automatically plays my Bluray disk when i turn on the device? And yet the AUTO-PLAY mode is off...Is there something i'M missing here? Ive only had this machine for 5 days now
post #21237 of 26645
Thread Starter 
AUTO PLAY only affects CD-AUDIO and SACD. All other media sources are started automatically. There is no way to set other disc types to not playback automatically.
post #21238 of 26645
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Originally Posted by rich3fan View Post

The first quote was from yesterday (post #21176). I won't say another word.

Thats my mistake...Ive had this machine for 5 days, but installed it yesterday...My mistake. I'm not sure what youre insinuating by that, but its true i did say that.My goal here is not to create tension , i'm just frustrated with this 500$ player. Thanks anyways, i'll refer to oppodigital.I appreciate the help. I dont want to get flamed for my silly mistake.
post #21239 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Nope, should be automatic. I presume you mean the on-screen Info, while playing the disc, says you are playing the 2.0 layer when you expect to see the 5.1 layer.

If you press the Audio button, does it switch to the 5.1 layer on screen? The track currently playing should start over.

Get in touch with OPPO on specific titles in case they have some history on them.

I suppose it is possible you have a hardware fault in the loader (not seeing the 5.1 layer). Or a fault in your Settings memory (not using your default 5.1 choice).

As always when you see odd behavior, it is worth it to try a Reset followed by power down and pull the power plug for about 10 seconds.
--Bob

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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Physically, the stereo and Mch tracks are on the same "layer" of the disc, so a loader issue is unlikely.

I'd suggest not only a reset to defaults, but unplugging the player also.

Thanks for the responses Bob and rdgrimes.

In setup I have autoplay ON and SACD set to MCH.

Insert SACD and it plays STEREO. Hit the AUDIO button and screen now shows 5.1 but it's only playing and the AVR is only receiving stereo.

STOP disc and EJECT. Hit eject again to put disc in and hey presto MCH sound.

Will try the suggestions above and see how it goes.

Thanks

blairy
post #21240 of 26645
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Originally Posted by blairy View Post

Thanks for the responses Bob and rdgrimes.

In setup I have autoplay ON and SACD set to MCH.

Insert SACD and it plays STEREO. Hit the AUDIO button and screen now shows 5.1 but it's only playing and the AVR is only receiving stereo.

STOP disc and EJECT. Hit eject again to put disc in and hey presto MCH sound.

Will try the suggestions above and see how it goes.

Thanks

blairy

I remember this happening before, but thought they had fixed it in a FW release. It happened to me as well, but I haven't listened to a SACD in a while.
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