Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread - Page 710

Also sell on Audiogon and Videogon .... better quality audiophile sites tho Audiogon is more popular.

I think AVS is a good place sell it too. I sold my OPPO 83 to a person in my local area by posting an add at AVS. I would check that out before looking at other places. I'm not an eBay fan.

You'll probably do better on price for the 93 than you will for the extended warranty. There are a lot of owners, like myself, who don't intend to upgrade their firmware. There may be others who wish they hadn't let ISO get away.

You might get PMs from prospective buyers today.

Yes, he has

By any chance would anyone know if Oppo will release a new player this year?

I can handle this one! No one knows who isn't required to keep their mouths and keyboards shut.

I had this problem up to today when I read this thread. I unplugged the OPPO for a minute, plugged it back in, inserted a SACD and it plays in Multi Channel.

Bought the OPPO because my old Integra 8.3 stopped working and I have a bunch of Audio DVDs and SACDs . Also bought a Marantz AV 7005 because my B&K Ref 30 did not have HDMI Loving the Marantz and OPPO. Was a little frustrated that it played SACD was playing in stereo as the main reason for getting the OPPO was to play SACDs.

Using HDMI from the OPPO to the Marantz.

Hope that helps

I've run up an extensive email trail with Oppo on the SACD MCH 'issue' and also come across some others who have experienced this too. Seems we're all using Denon AVR's (with a preponderance of 3808 but others too).

Interestingly I have confirmed that with a very old FW; SACD MCH and Denon AVR works fine.

Flagged to Oppo and will see what transpires.

blairy

I had the same complaint.
I went to my local hardware store and found some small convex silastic bumpers. They are about 1/4'' diameter, and come on a sheet of 20 or so. When you peel them off the sheet they have an adhesive backing on their flat back surface. They stick well to my power and open/close buttons on the 93's front panel and make it easy to find the buttons in the dark. They can be easily removed and the buttons cleaned with GooGone to get rid of any adhesive if and when you want to remove them.
I don't know exactly what they are called, but they were in the same area where they have rubber casters and felt pads used to protect wooden surfaces from getting scratched by other furniture.

Tom

Thansk slider03. Clearly it's not just denon AVR's then

I've also managed to confirm that MCH works as it should with older versions of the firmware.

Oppo looking into it.

Cheers
blairy

There are differences in handshake protocols between the various firmware revisions that don't directly impact SACD playback but could impact the way your AVR handles the stream.
The player cannot be down-mixing 5.1 to stereo over HDMI. Makes no difference if set to output DSD or PCM, it can't do it unless the AVR handshakes that it can only accept stereo PCM. (the player cannot down-mix DSD at all). Using HDMI-2 instead of HDMI-1 is good advice, since handshakes differ greatly on the 2 outputs.

Anyone having issues should first try forcing a new handshake to see if the issue clears. But if the player's OSD indicates 5.1, then that's what it's playing.

I am posting this in all the Oppo threads because I want to make sure everyone is notified so they can contribute. Please post any responses in the DLNA thread. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1215071

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I asked the developers of PS3 Media Server, which is now called Universal Media Server , to include the latest config files for the BDP-83 and BDP-93 in the setup process. They also included unique icons of the players that show up in the main window.

Would the folks that use this DLNA server please test the latest version that I just compiled and verify that it is working correctly? You will need to uninstall PMS (or at least make sure it isn't running) for UMS to work. I don't own a BDP-83 so I definitely need help testing that player with UMS. I also want to make sure that the config files are optimized as best as possible. In addition, I want to make sure that the 83 is recognized correctly (I have already verified that the 93 is).

Make sure to take a look at the config files it installs closely and let me know if any changes need to be made to either config file.

In the end it will be nice to not have to do anything other than install the program for us Oppo owners.

Here is the link to my latest build:

http://www.4shared.com/file/ARQJ03nN/UMS-setup.html
Edited by counsil - 6/8/12 at 12:22am

Question for people using Foobar2000 as a DLNA\UPnP media server to the 93. When I set up the UPnP in the perfrences section of Foobar, I disabled the transcoding of files to either wav, pcm or mp3. When I select the Foobar server from the Oppo's network selection and look at my FLAC files they are represented as PCM files on the Oppo. Is this normal or am I missing something in the configuration of the Foobar program or the Oppo setup?

No, that's not normal, but it can easily be fixed.

What you must do in the plugin settings ("Streaming Profiles") is change the setting in the "Decoding to PCM" line:

set decode -never- to -lpcm- and remove from the following list of file types all those that the Oppo supports natively: mp3, flac, ape

Save the settings to an "Oppo" profile

Update at the risk of those who don't believe in cables as components.

The 93 has had lots of play time of all media and has pretty much been doing double duty. For HT it goes HDMI out to a newer Integra 30.3 and Analog out to my Rotel 1052 driving JM Labs Tantal 509 speakers. The JMs are a bit on the bright side and don't have the deepest of bass but do have lots of detail, resolution, and imaging. I was also using the tone controls on the Rotel to boost the bass. The OPPO was cabled with cheaper Audioquest Sidewinders to the Rotel for the longest time.

I recently re-arranged my rack and played with a few cables. I swapped out my Synergistic Kaleidoscopes for a set of Groneberg ICs I purchased from Odyssey when I bought my Stratos years back, in my main setup in sig below. I was not pleased at all with the difference in sound so I immediately put the Synergistics back. (between CDP and Pre)

Having just gotten my Hafler 945 repaired and recapped I put the Gronebergs between the pre and 9180 amp driving some Polk Monitor 30s in the gym. These cables, as advertised, do have a bass effect and in this setup I now had to engage the tone controls and boost the treble all the way, and back the bass off. Not liking that either, I put some Tara Labs cables in that setup and now can leave the tone controls flat.

So with all that, I decided to try the Gronebergs between the OPPO and Rotel 1052 and shazam, tone controls are now flat and the JMs are dealing out some decent bass. I am actually really liking this secondary setup alot and have been listening to it more than my main rig recently.

So, I still don't think the 93 matches up to the Rotel 1072 CDP for music, but I was able to greatly improve the whole chain with a single set of ICs.

Cheers!

Brian

So you don't know. I got it!

That's right. I'm free to share anything I know with you or anybody else.

After making the changes outlined above to Foobar2000, the FLAC files are still showing as PCM files on the Oppo. If I take the disk and plug it into the Oppo the files show to be FLAC.

My streaming profile is named BDP-93
The USER-AGENT contain "OPPO"
samplerate range 44100 to 19200 24 bit
No checkmark on Stereo only
Transcoding to MP3 is never with Except extensions blank, lossless and internet checked
Decoding to PCM is never to lpcm with except blank
Playback stream capture is wav 44100 16bit
No active DSP's

Any help on getting the 93 to see the files as FLAC and not PCM would be greatly appreciated!!

Make sure "always use the default streaming profile" is unchecked in the basic setting, and you restart the server after changing the settings.

The setting "always use the default streaming profile" was unchecked, I changed that earlier when I was going thru the settings looking for an answer to my problem, thanks for the idea though. Any other thoughts?

Blairy (and rdgrimes)

further to this discussion, and clarifying some of what rdgrimes has said above.......

I did a bit more 'testing' this morning on my OPPO 93/Denon 3808a with HDMI and SACD multi-channel. I am sending DSD to the denon to be decoded in the denon.

I use a remote which switches a lot of gear on at once. If I select Blu-Ray (OPPO) after I have already had the system on (eg to watch foxtel), then the OPPO will be performing a second handshake since turn on. I don't get a problem then.

If I select the OPPO (blu-ray) as the first choice when I fire up the system, then I do get a problem. If I just select the OPPO a second time whilst I have a problem, it forces a second handshake and the problem disappears.

Now, what is it that is playing when the problem occurs? The vision on screen says 5.1, but what I am hearing is left and right channel only of the multi-channel mix. Note that I am not hearing the stereo track - I believe I am hearing the left front and right front of the multi-channel track. I was playing Billy Joel's 52nd Street, which has quite a lot of the vocal in the centre channel. I could hear very little vocal when the problem was occurring, ie no centre channel being played, and certainly no rears being played, and no down-mixing into stereo.

I think the above is consistent with rdgrimes hypothesis..

Switching between the stereo and multichannel options doesn't do anything, as the multi-channel reverts back to just the front left and front right of the MCH track. Forcing a secondary HDMI handshake clears the problem.

Hope this helps. I'll post this on AVS as well.

best

Benje

^^^
When in DSD output mode, the player cannot downmix and you will just get the L-R channels. When in PCM output mode, you might instead get downmixed stereo. In either case it still boils down to a stereo-only handshake being the issue. I'll also repeat the suggestion to use HDMI-2 for audio.

Hello there,

I was suggested to post a BDP-93 related question here but let me know if this is not the correct place to post. Basically I've just received my BDP-93 unit and ran into some playback issue. I was testing the unit with the DTS Orchestra Trailver clip (high bitrate with DTS-HD MA 7.1 sound) on a USB drive. The clip plays fine on a HD box I own but for the Oppo, it will lose about 2 seconds of video towards the end of the clip. So i'm starting to wonder if I have a defective unit of if others have the same issue as well. Below is the clip in question. If anyone her could give this a try on their unit, I'd appreciate it.

http://www.demo-world.eu/trailers/redirect-high-definition.php?file=hd_dts_orchestra_long_lossless.rar&pic=hd_dts_orchestra_long.jpg

Thanks!

Thanks rdgrimes. Good to get your input. The comments about DSD (from you and Benje2) make sense.

As for PCM, this issue only occurs (for me) with the Oppo outputting DSD. When outputting PCM, MCH works fine.

Problem is prevalent with Denon AVR3808 and apparently Marantz AV7005. Not sure but it may be that the Denon 2808 has the issue too.

Oppo have tested on Denon 2809 and tell me MCH works fine. Another user here has confirmed the issue doesn't happen with Denon AVR 4810.

Seems to be a handshake issue with some 'older' AVR's. For me the work around is press stop and stop again. Press play and I get MCH.

Cheers
blairy

Just to add a data point, I have a Denon 3808ci, but I don't experience the problem you've described.

I'm using the Dec. 2011 Oppo firmware, and my Denon firmware is older, I've forgotten which version, but I can check if that's important.

Double-check that your output resolution is 720p or higher. Set it explicitly to be sure. SD resolution output limits high-bit rate audio to 2-channel (i.e., except for DD and DTS Bitstreams). Check what the AVR says it is receiving for video resolution while the problem is happening.

If you have both HDMI outputs in use, then HDMI 1 is limited to a stereo down-mix, but of course DSD can't be down-mixed. When testing this make sure you are getting your audio on the HDMI 2 connection if both are cabled.
--Bob

Thanks Bob. Oppo had me double check that already. I'm set to use 1080p.

Oppo also had me check this as per my usual setup (HDMI1 to TV and HDMI2 to AVR) as well as HDMI1 direct to AVR and then also test with HDMI from AVR to TV disconnected.

Also checked the video resolution AVR is receiving and that's 1080p (which is what is being sent).

AVR panel shows it's receiving two channels of DSD.

Also checked this in the AVR menu and when first playing an SACD it comes up as two channel DSD. Press stop twice and restart the disc and this changes to DSD MCH. The Oppo is displaying 5.1 DSD as being output.

Oppo did ask me to try a different AVR but I don't have another AVR. However I have hooked up my old DVD 980H which outputs DSD. It output DSD MCH no problems.

cheers
blairy
Edited by blairy - 6/9/12 at 3:27pm

Thanks scolumbo. I'm using the latest denon FW (when I try to update it says I'm on the latest).

Cheers
blairy

blaiy

I am not on the latest firmware - haven't updated for a few months.

Benje

OK, long story short, I've now worked out that this problem first surfaced with the 20110318 BDP9x-41-0303B FW. SACD MCH does not appear to work at all in this beta release (well not with my Denon AVR 3808 anyway).

In subsequent FW releases SACD MCH does not work, but press stop twice (which takes you back to home page) and then press play and SACD MCH works fine. (This is my current known ‘work around.’)

Checked the release notes for this firmware and point four says:
“For users who only use the analog audio output, setting "HDMI Audio" to "Off" and "SACD Output" to "DSD" in the "Audio Format Setup" section of the setup menu will now maintain DSD output to the analog audio D/A converters. The previous firmware will force a conversion to PCM if the connected HDMI TV or A/V receiver cannot support DSD.”
The 2 May 2011 FW release also included:
“Improved HDMI compatibility with some Audio/Video (AV) receivers. Some customers reported that after updating to the current Official 42-0323 firmware, HDMI handshake problems (such as momentary black screen, audio and/or video dropout, flashing screen, etc.) were observed, and in most cases, it only happened on HDMI 1 not on HDMI 2.”

Well, not sure what, but they did something to SACD/DSD (in March 2011 release) although I cannot see how this affects me.
So I play around in my settings a bit more. Make sure HDMI1 is video only. It wasn’t and when I changed it, it makes no difference.
HDMI audio has a selection of around five options (including the above mentioned ‘off’) as per above release note.
Set HDMI to AUTO. Rebooted Oppo and inserted a disc. Would you believe it SACD MCH, but (and this is a huge but) the HDMI handshake didn’t only take for ever (missed about ten seconds of the first track) I also got a whole heap of pops, crackles and farts out of my speakers.
Of course when I tried it with a more current version of the FW, having HDMI set to AUTO didn’t work anyway.
Oh well, it was interesting playing around with all of this. Disappointing not to get a result, although it does appear the March 2011 FW is when this started.
I’ll also agree with benje2 that the Oppo is not outputting DSD stereo. It seems to be that the AVR is only receiving FR and FL channels. This was quite evident to me at the start of DSOTM. I played it with this issue happening and then played the stereo SACD version….very different.
Will advise Oppo re the FW where this started and see where that takes us. Of course if you wish to keep using the December 2011/ISO FW then even if this gets fixed, it’s probably not something you’re bothered about.

cheers
blairy

blairy,
I have to apologize. In my haste to respond, I had forgotten that I had switched to PCM output on the Oppo awhile back when I quickly tested an SACD after your initial posts regarding the SACD bug, and failed to note that I wasn't outputting DSD to my 3808. When I switched to DSD, I have the same issue with only FR and FL channels being output from the 5.1 layer of the SACD. The Denon display says Stereo, but it is clearly the FR and FL channels of the 5.1 mix, not the Stereo layer, or a 2-channel fold-down of the 5.1 mix. Stopping the disc and then restarting restored the MCH mix.

For someone that doesn't intend to update the Oppo firmware this is inconvenient, although I typically only use DSD output for Stereo material, not MCH. For MCH, I prefer to use Audyssey on the Denon. Hopefully, Oppo will be able to provide a fix for owners of the 3808 and other AVRs this affects. For me, I guess I'll have to stick to using PCM output for MCH, or live with the workaround, until I decide on a new AVR.