Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread - Page 714

As I said, Secondary audio is off.

Incidentally I checked, if I output LPCM, for DTS MA HD, I get the right samplerate, for Dolby True HD, the Oppo says the stream is 192k, the onkyo sees 48K only.

Check that your video output resolution in the OPPO is set to 720p or higher.

Also check that your AVR is really getting audio from that HDMI cable, and not, say, from an Optical cable from the OPPO.

If you have both HDMI outputs connected on the OPPO, then you need to use HDMI 2 output for audio to your AVR.

Check that the AVR is set to process the HDMI audio input and not send it "pass through" to your TV.
--Bob

I fiddled around with that for an hour on my '95 and wondered why nothing changed. Then I read the manual

Bob, the Dolby True HD reverting to 2 channel made me remember that audio bandwidth was related to video resolution.

I reset every machine at least 10 times, and finally, when I thought about the above thing, I figured as a last resort to try to manually force the resolution to 576i, then revert back to 1080p, and it sprang to life.

I'm really stumped, as this one "unlogical" step did what 10 complete resets didn't achieve. Strange, but for now it works.

Thanks for your responses.

That is very weird. Did you by any chance check what the device at the other end of the cable said it was RECEIVING as input video resolution while the problem was happening?

Unexpected video resolution can come from four possible causes:

1) You are using AUTO Resolution and the next device in the chain is, for some strange reason publishing its preferred input resolution as an SD resolution (like 576p).

2) You have Video Setup > Primary Output set to Analog and you are playing a copy protected SD-DVD, or a Blu-ray disc that is authored with the Image Constraint Token set. (Such Blu-ray discs are fairly rare.)

3) You have a failure of your Settings memory so that the player is not loading your settings properly on power up.

4) The next device in the HDMI chain is not completely powered up when the HDMI handshake is initiated by the OPPO and thus is responding strangely. This should correct itself when the devices finishes powering up and initiates a reset of the earlier HDMI connection.
--Bob

SACD MCH (and Denon AVR3808 and Marantz 7005)


Apologies for my delayed reaction, I've been away for a few days.

Thanks for this Scolumbo, tried it myself and 'reverse' turn on order does the trick for SACD MCH. Wonder if this will improve other HDMI handshakes; not every disc I watch but quite a few, will do multiple handshakes when the disc starts, then again from previews to menu then again from menu to movie startup.

Scolumbo, have you let Oppo about this solution/work around?

Thanks
blairy

I have an hdmi handshake issue as well. I use the analog audio out for my '93 to the CD input on my Denon 3312, and the hdmi goes into the Denon as another component (BD). When I switch between CD and BD, I loose audio and video via the hdmi (about 90% of the time...occasionally it switches fine). By trial and error, I found that if I press another component on the remote, then the BD, the chances of getting the hdmi to work is increased. One component (which has no hdmi...it has s-video in + optical audio) seems to work best about 80% of the time. It makes it hard to do A-B testing (i.e., compare the Oppo to the Denon DACs).

blairy,
I have kept the reverse power on sequence while I've played other BDs and DVDs, and I have noticed fewer handshake issues. When I had the Denon powering on first, I would usually have 3 or 4 green screen flashes or flickering on startup and between previews and the main movie, but with the Oppo turning on before the Denon, this has been reduced significantly with the discs I've played so far, especially at initial startup.

I think I will keep this power on sequence unless I find there is some other issue that I haven't discovered yet, and it does seem to resolve the DSD MCH problem.

I have not reported this to Oppo directly.

Hello everyone,

I have recently decided to finally buy an Oppo for my bday and I've been diligently reading through this thread but it's huge (I feel like I need to take notes!) and I'm just trying to get my facts straight. Please know it's not my intention to create thread clutter, I just want to be sure on a some things before I spend all my bday money...
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MODS (If I decide to buy my player direct from Oppo): It seems that the most popular mods are from Bluraychip.dk and imegstore. I looked at the install info for the bluraychip.dk mod and I have a bit of trepidation after seeing the pics. Are both mods the same in terms of ease of install? Which would be the easier one for a person who has no real experience with this sort of thing? Also, is the pro version of the bluraychip.dk worth the extra $$$? It seems that particular mod enables auto region changing rather than having to do a restart of the player.

FIRMWARE: I see that ISO compatibility has been killed, which is a bummer but I think I can live with that. But is there is definitely a feature a to turn off auto update? It seems that I can get FW off the Oppo site when I want to upgrade rather than have it automatically download. As with most, I'm not a fan of Cinavia and I'm very cautious (paranoid) about it coming along and making me cry.

MODELS: Lastly, for your opinions please, I have been going back and forth about 3D. I don't think I really need 3D and I don't plan to buy a new TV for some time... should I just get the BDP-83 (from world-import) or does the BDP-93 have significantly better features that the 83? I will be playing "proper" Blu Ray's, media off an HDD (mostly .mkv), and AVCHD (which I have a lot of).

Thanks so much for helping and for your thoughts on the two models. I really appreciate this forum and the experience everyone here has (^__^)

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there is no "automatic" update for Oppo firmware, never has been. All there is is a prompt asking you if you want to download. The notification can be turned off or just ignored.

The FAQ has a section on this: How is the BDP-93 different from the BDP-83?

-Bill

Is there any likelihood that oppo will add Amazon streaming?

You get what you pay for in terms of electronics and if you divide the amount of time you save in restarts by the extra amount required for the pro version, it will make the choice easier.


That particular mod chip you are contemplating allows you to downgrade the firmware so you can get your ISO support back by just following the instructions once you get it.
Just make sure you get that "feature" with the version of the chip you are buying (std, pro, etc) as I am not sure if every chip they sell has it.


Oppo has officially stated that they will not be adding Cinavia via f/w to the current series of players as they are not legally obliged to add it on as per their original agreement with the BDA.
This has also been stated in this forum many times but it gets buried in huge threads so I can see why you might have missed it.

HTH

I'm sure they'd like to, but we presume that a small company like OPPO has a hard time getting a large company's attention. The big guys prioritize their efforts by number of viewers.

It's best not to expect it.

-Bill

My guess would be that Oppo would LOVE to add it, but Amazon isn't even giving OPPO the time of day.

We use Amazon on our PS3 every single day. Especially for kid movies/shows.

Here's an odd one. My new OPPO BDP-93 lets me turn it on with my remote and browse top menu and select but afterwards I have no control what so ever. No on/off or pause or nothing. What's stranger still is it does this for only some bluray movies. It's not intermittent, always the same disks. Baffles the heck out of me. The unit is fuctioning hardware wise or it would never work, how can one movie cause it to react differently than another? It always works with the front panel buttons but I need the pause feature with the remote.

Any ideas?

Oppo BDP-93
Epson Pro Cinema 6010
Integra DTR 50.2
Edited by Texnician - 6/20/12 at 3:04pm

what movie does it have problems playing with?

Jacob

Avatar, John Carter and TinTin. These are my only 3d movies. All others work. Maybe it's something to do with 3d. This setup is actually my daughter and son in laws...one that I set up for them. I'll head over tomorrow with more movies and do some more experimenting but so far this one is killing me.

If it's only happening with 3D movies, then the most likely cause is that the 3D IR emitter on the TV is drowning out the IR remote commands for the Oppo. Possible solutions are to partially block the 3D IR emitter on the TV to reduce the power, move the Oppo player to a different location that's more out of the line of fire from the TV's emitter, or use an RF remote (such as some of the higher end Harmony remotes) and the rear panel IR input on the Oppo. I think I've heard that some TV's have an output level adjustment for their 3D IR emitters.

Edit: I see Neuromancer replied while I was catching up on the thread and typing my response. But at least we agree .

Does anyone know if the Oppo's from Amazon still shipping with the older firmware that plays iso files?

Both of you may be on to something, thanks. I'll be looking into something that's 3d peculiar tomorrow. However, the TV is actually a projector and the player is in an equipment room remotely controlled by a Logitech Harmony IR extender. The top menu functions OK and is in 3d. After selecting and starting the movie nothing works, (except front buttons) not even direct remote control to player (bypassing the extender).

Last I read, yes, they are still shipping with the older firmware that supports ISO.

If not, the region free mods enable you to flash older firmware.

I have an OPPO BDP-93 that has not video or audio output over HDMI-1. I can't even see the Setup menu over HDMI-1

I get video and audio out over HDMI-2 at 1080p24 just fine.

I have tried HDMI-1 set to priority, video only, I've downloaded the latest firmware, nothing seems to work.

The OPPO is connected direct to a LCD TV at the moment. Is there a combination of settings that would prevent HDMI-1 from outputting video and the setup menu?

So I have a question: I am using my Oppo BDP-93 with an older Denon 4806 receiver that doesn't decode DTS-HD Master or TrueHD. I'm using the 7.1 analog outputs on the Oppo to pass the decoded soundtrack to the Denon - this bypasses all of the Denon's processing, but still performs very well. 7.1 soundtracks sound great, but my question is around 5.1 soundtracks: I've noticed that on some 5.1 sound tracks (mostly DTS HD Master ones), I'm getting sound out of my surround back speakers, even though the soundtrack doesn't have those channels included (I think it may be that the surround left/right is being replicated to the rears). This doesn't happen all the time though - for example, when I play The Dark Knight, which is TrueHD 5.1, I don't get any sound out of the surround back speakers. So my question is, what is pushing sound to the surround backs on the DTS 5.1 soundtracks:

1. Is the Oppo up-mixing the soundtrack to 7.1 since I have down-mixing set to 7.1?
2. Is the Denon 4806 pumping the 5.1 signal to both the side surrounds and rear surrounds (which doesn't seem likely, since the analog inputs bypass all DAC and DSP processing in the 4806)?
3. Is there something different between TrueHD and DTS-HD Master 5.1 soundtracks that would make the DTS ones utilize all 7 speakers while the TrueHD ones only use 5?

Has anyone else experienced this with their Oppo? Let me know what you think...

Demian

It sounds like you may have a hardware problem on the HDMI 1 output. Get in touch with OPPO and they'll walk you through how to confirm whether or not the player needs service.

In the meantime, here are some things to try.

Using the HDMI 2 output, set Primary Output HDMI 1 and set HDMI Audio LPCM.

Using the HDMI 2 output, set HDMI 1 to YCbCr 4:4:4 with Deep Color OFF, and then also set 480p/576p output resolution (not 480i/576i). Those are the "simplest" settings for HDMI video. Exit Setup and power down the player normally (i.e., don't just cut off wall power to it), then see if you can power up and get HDMI 1 video with those setting. Concentrate on seeing if you can get video first. If your TV can report what it is receiving for video input, check whether that matches what you have set in the OPPO.

When checking HDMI 1 video, don't cable anything to the HDMI 2 output.

Get a flashlight and check the HDMI 1 plug and socket for signs of pin damage.
--Bob

The 93 doesn't do any surround sound processing (raising a smaller number of content channels to a larger number of output speakers). So either your Denon is doing this or you are actually playing a 7.1 track. To check the second part of that press the Info button on the OPPO remote and see what type of audio track it says it is reading off the disc (lower left corner of the on-screen display).

If you have more than one audio path cabled from the OPPO to the Denon, double check you really are using the Analog outputs as you think you are. An easy test is to set Volume to Variable in the OPPO and then lower the OPPO volume using the buttons at the top of the remote. Only the Analog outputs have volume control in the OPPO.
--Bob

I have the same problem as AFryia. Only that my HDMI 1 is connected directly to a projector, and HDMI 2 goes into the receiver which then goes into the TV. I have tried swapping the cables between the two ports, powering down everything completely and starting them up in different orders, but in every case HDMI 2 video is available on both projector and TV, but HDMI 1 is not. When connected to HDMI 1, projector doesn't detect a signal, TV says "No Signal" and receiver's display area for input signals is blank. I would already have concluded its a h/w problem, save for the fact that it played from the HDMI 1 just the previous night. I didn't change any settings, no firmware upgrades happened, and I tried several blu-ray and DVD discs, but he results are the same.

I will also try what Bob suggested to Afriya, but I am afraid my HDMI 1 is dead. I purchased it only last month.

When checking if you have a hardware problem, test with *ONLY* HDMI 1 cabled, and with Primary Output set to HDMI 1.

With both HDMI outputs cabled there are lots of additional complexities that can confuse things, such as if there are two HDMI paths to the same display (one direct and one through the AVR).

Whenever the player is showing odd behavior, it is useful to try the simple reset procedure "just in case":

1) Remove any disc. Jot down your personal settings.

2) In Setup, Erase Persistent Storage, then Reset Factory Defaults. When the Easy Setup Wizard finishes, power down the player.

3) Pull the power plug for about 10 seconds. Do not skip this step.

4) Power up and re-enter your personal settings.

5) Power down again. Settings are saved during the power down cycle.

It is also a good idea to power down at both ends of the HDMI cable before removing or plugging in an HDMI plug.

NOTE: HDMI plugs are just friction fit. Far and way the single most common reason for loss of HDMI signal is simply that the plug -- at one end or the other -- has worked its way loose a bit in the socket. It only takes a small shift to cause problems. The weight of the cable, or the tugging of the cable due to cable folds or bends is often all it takes.
--Bob

Anyone is using UMS with 93 and tried mkv with DTS-HD and TrueHD bitstreaming yet? Sounds great if they have found a solution