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post #21751 of 26645
Experimented with the streaming screen. I have no interest in Netflix because last summer I leveraged my Amazon Prime account to get free 720p/DD5.1 streaming of lots of good movies and tv shows from with a Roku XD|S (the last 1040p capable model to have an optical audio output I can use with my Yamaha AVR to get surround sound). That led me to get a pair of second-hand Verizon FiOS boxes to use as MoCA links to tie my theater into my LAN over the cable TV wiring. I have about 12Mbps download speed from Comcast in the theater. All players are ethernet-cabled to the theater's FiOS box (it includes a four-port WiFi b/g router - the Wifi is a nice perk for my and my guests' phones).

The YouTube app is impressive (Roku doesn't have YouTube anymore, except for a channel called the 1080p Showcase, which is gleaned from YouTube - it's the only 1080p signal anyone gives the XD|S). A looked at a movie trailer with the Oppo's YouTube app that was 1080 60p (according the the projector) and sounded very good too!

Then I noticed the My Network icon and opened it - and there was a link to my Plex server, which I use with the Roku to play music and browse photos from my desktop PC's hard drive, turning it into a jukebox for the theater. Plex, which was originally developed for the Mac, is visually gorgeous even on my PC and the Roku. It grabs stills of the musicians in your collection off the net and uses them as backgrounds for the menus, finds and shows album covers when possible, and when you choose a musician or album it scrolls a bio of that musician that it grabbed from Last FM. It's a DLNA server at heart - and even finds YouTube videos related to the musicians you listen to.

Seeing my Plex server listed by the name I had given it, I clicked on it - up came a list of the collections. Drilled down through the heirarchy to play an album - no joy. Folders with flac files appear to be empty, and mp3 folders list the tracks but hang the Oppo if you try to play any of them, requiring powering it off and on again (no, none of the color buttons, or any other button on the remote, does anything once it has hung).

So near but yet so far - but, on the other hand, no big deal since Plex works well on my Roku, with a much more attractive interface.
Edited by Philnick - 7/24/12 at 7:00pm
post #21752 of 26645
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Originally Posted by tubeheadEL34 View Post

Regarding upconversion of DVDs. I've tried to find comparison screenshots/video clips of the 83/93 players and lesser players without success. Anyone know where I can find that?

I use 60 and 80 inch screens.

The differences between players is too small to see with snapshots. Proper calibration of the display can make a greater difference.

-Bill
post #21753 of 26645
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Originally Posted by tubeheadEL34 View Post

Regarding upconversion of DVDs. I've tried to find comparison screenshots/video clips of the 83/93 players and lesser players without success. Anyone know where I can find that?
I use 60 and 80 inch screens.

I have a Samsung 55" LED 3D 1080p TV (and a Sony 52" 1080p LCD TV prior to that) and I don't see how the 83 could be any better than the 93 regarding DVD upconversion in my case. Simply because my TV screen is too small to benefit from the 83's superior DVD upconversion abilities.

YMMV.
post #21754 of 26645
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

It's hyperbole like this that makes the entire review worthless IMO.

When I replaced my Panasonic BD-35 with my Oppo, I experienced a huge jump in audio performance, and a notable video improvement. No question that the SMPS in the Oppo is a very well designed power supply compared to other bluray players.
Every bit of the Oppo 93 is superbly designed. But all things can be bettered. Even the Oppo 93 Bluray player......

I dedided to notch things up a bit with my Oppo by damping the SMPS bridge rectifiers, input and output capacitors, transformer, the board itself, and the fuse with anti resonance material (fo.Q). When I powered things back on, I coudlnt believe the improvement
in the sound quality. The sound had more slam and impact with tighter bass and improved soundstage. Everything was much louder. On the video side, contrast and brightness both needed reduction. Using a calibration disc, I also noted more leeway
with the sharpness setting before I could detect halo artifacts.

Phase two had me damping almost everything on the Oppo video and analog out board as well. I eventually replacing the stock IEC with a Furutech Rhodium plated IEC. A couple Alan Maher EMI filters rounded things off.

While replacing the whole SMPS may sound extreme to some, try damping some parts of the SMPS with anti resonance material. You will be amazed at the improvement. Just gently remove it if you have to return for warranty. I included a pic of my unit.



post #21755 of 26645
Willia Be - I have no idea what I'm looking at in your photos. What are the antiresonance materials? The black boxes?
post #21756 of 26645
Quote:
Originally Posted by tubeheadEL34 View Post

Regarding upconversion of DVDs. I've tried to find comparison screenshots/video clips of the 83/93 players and lesser players without success. Anyone know where I can find that?
I use 60 and 80 inch screens.

The differences fall well into the realm of personal preference. The BDP-83 is probably the best BD player for SD upconversion that will ever be sold. The BDP-93 is very close, but there are differences. The 83 excels in de-interlacing which is 75% of the task. The 93 excels in noise reduction. So the 83 may produce a slightly better resolution but it may come with a tiny bit of mosquito noise. You may find the image from the 93 to be a little "smoother" and film-like.

Unless you wish to watch a lot of really crappy quality DVDs, TV shows and the like, the 2 players are very similar, the difference on decent quality movie DVDs is much less. If you watch a lot of DVDs with big de-interlacing issues, the 83 has the edge.

Also good to note that both players come with ample user adjustments to the processing which can make the output image identical to each other. So there's room to play with either one.

There's no such thing as "screenshots" that will tell you anything about the performance of a player.
post #21757 of 26645
Philnick -

The anti resonance materials are the little blacks dots. They are pretty much everywhere. They are more evident on the two yellow capacitors. They are also more visible on the disc drive where there are two larger dots smack in the middle of the drive, plus a black strip near the disc loader slot. I also have two little squares on the heatsync of the video board....
post #21758 of 26645
Dumb question.

Is 1080p-24 output at 24 or 48 hz?
post #21759 of 26645
Thread Starter 
24Hz.
post #21760 of 26645
What dlna server do most of you use that works with Oppo pro-file?

Don't want all the bells and whistles on the server, just easy and fast with very little system resource use.

Thanks
post #21761 of 26645
Thread Starter 
I use oShare since it is simple and only does DLNA DMP without any transcoding capabilities.
post #21762 of 26645
Twonky Manager. It works perfectly with the Oppo 93. Between Twonky Manager and the Oppo 93 there is no file that I have (mkv, avi, flac, etc) that doesn't play back perfectly. Totally worth the $10 or whatever I paid a couple of years ago.

I have yet to find anyone that has been disappointed with the Twonky Manager/Oppo 93 combo.
post #21763 of 26645
Went all the way through DVE's video calibration tonight. Final result was much nicer (contrast had been set too high - wouldn't expect that from bulb aging).

Also redid the audio calibration - the surrounds were too loud, so I went for the full -3db trim on the other three channels that the Y-ing of the FL and FR into two sets of inputs would suggest.

Odd behavior on a pair of standard DVDs I put in immediately after DVE: Willie Nelson and Wynton Marsalis Play the Blues and The Willie Nelson Show (with Ray Charles).

On the first, which is a 16:9 DVD. the image came up too big, with title text falling off the screen. The Zoom button only fit everything in by going to the Zoom: 1/2 setting - which made faces distorted.

Put it into the Panasonic BD50 and it worked fine.

Then I put the other one into the Oppo. That one is 4:3 standard TV: it came up stretched to 16:9 - which I could only fix using my projector's aspect button, even though I've set the Oppo to Wide/Auto.

Ejected and restarted it and it came up pillarboxed as it should!

On a hunch, I put the first one back into the Oppo and it came up fine!

Any ideas what happened?
post #21764 of 26645
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The differences fall well into the realm of personal preference. The BDP-83 is probably the best BD player for SD upconversion that will ever be sold. The BDP-93 is very close, but there are differences. The 83 excels in de-interlacing which is 75% of the task. The 93 excels in noise reduction. So the 83 may produce a slightly better resolution but it may come with a tiny bit of mosquito noise. You may find the image from the 93 to be a little "smoother" and film-like.
Unless you wish to watch a lot of really crappy quality DVDs, TV shows and the like, the 2 players are very similar, the difference on decent quality movie DVDs is much less. If you watch a lot of DVDs with big de-interlacing issues, the 83 has the edge.
Also good to note that both players come with ample user adjustments to the processing which can make the output image identical to each other. So there's room to play with either one.
There's no such thing as "screenshots" that will tell you anything about the performance of a player.

Thanks, this makes everything clear !
post #21765 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

Went all the way through DVE's video calibration tonight. Final result was much nicer (contrast had been set too high - wouldn't expect that from bulb aging).

Also redid the audio calibration - the surrounds were too loud, so I went for the full -3db trim on the other three channels that the Y-ing of the FL and FR into two sets of inputs would suggest.

Odd behavior on a pair of standard DVDs I put in immediately after DVE: Willie Nelson and Wynton Marsalis Play the Blues and The Willie Nelson Show (with Ray Charles).

On the first, which is a 16:9 DVD. the image came up too big, with title text falling off the screen. The Zoom button only fit everything in by going to the Zoom: 1/2 setting - which made faces distorted.

Put it into the Panasonic BD50 and it worked fine.

Then I put the other one into the Oppo. That one is 4:3 standard TV: it came up stretched to 16:9 - which I could only fix using my projector's aspect button, even though I've set the Oppo to Wide/Auto.

Ejected and restarted it and it came up pillarboxed as it should!

On a hunch, I put the first one back into the Oppo and it came up fine!

Any ideas what happened?

Are you using 1080p output resolution? Not Source Direct or 480i?

This is with HDMI1, and you have Primary Output set to that?

-Bill
post #21766 of 26645
I have a question.
I am thinking of getting the oppo-93...with regard to the qvdeo video enhancing... if i connect the oppo thru my pioneer receiver (via hdmi) - which uses another video processing chip - what is the effect? would l lose out on oppo's enhancement?

for blu-ray - would oppo prove better for audio and video versus regular bdp in the market?

thanks
post #21767 of 26645
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Are you using 1080p output resolution? Not Source Direct or 480i?
This is with HDMI1, and you have Primary Output set to that?
-Bill

Primary output is set to HDMI 1.

Explicit 1080p 24, not Source Direct, not 480i. TV Aspect Ratio is set to 16:9 Wide/Auto to enable pillarboxing.

My audio connection is a six RCA cable bundle from Blue Jeans Cable to my AVR's multichannel analog input, through a passive push-button switchbox (no electronics in the box, just jacks and switches) to share that input in the AVR with the BD50. Downmix in the Oppo is set to 5.1, all speakers set to large and the default 12', as my AVR (a pre-HDMI Yamaha RX-V457) does give the multichannel input the benefit of its bass management and delay circuits.

Audio output over HDMI is explicitly turned off.

I'm using only HDMI 1, connected - with the cable that came with the Oppo - directly to the projector's first HDMI input. The PJ's second HDMI input is my original Blu-ray player, the Panasonic BD50 (for troublesome disks). The PJ's third HDMI input is my Roku XD|S.

My Hi-Def cable box is hooked up component, since I don't have a fourth HDMI input, and Comcast does send 1080i out its component jacks. My old RCA capacitive videodisk player (remember those?) is connected via composite video (one RCA cable) and my HI-Fi stereo VCR is on the S-VHS jack. The VGA jack is connected to a cable to the table at my couch, to let me attach my laptop, which I don't do very often now that I have the Roku. (It's a very flexible PJ - it even has at least one input I'm not using!)

My best guess is that the Oppo read each of those DVDs incorrectly the first time I inserted them, but got it right the second time. I use the front-panel Play or Eject/Load buttons to load a disk - is there any difference between their behavior in this regard? Maybe using Play to insert a disk didn't give it time to properly figure out what it had been given?

I have no idea which button I used each time - I only know that I didn't push in the tray by hand, since I don't want to shorten the unit's life-span, and that I tend to use the Play button only if I'm in a rush.

Oh, and now that I see in the manual that the Dynamic Range Compression only compresses - not expands - the dynamic range, I've switched that off! (I guess its intent is like the Late Night setting in some players to improve audibility when the volume is set low. I never set the volume low!)

After writing the above, I went back to my theater and put each of the two Willie Nelson disks that had given me trouble last night into the Oppo and used the Eject/Load button to pull them in. They both came up on screen the way they should.

No more using Play to load a disk!
Edited by Philnick - 7/25/12 at 8:59am
post #21768 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post


No more using Play to load a disk!

I don't know what happened but I'm skeptical that would make a difference. If you can detect consistent misbehavior, let us and OPPO know.

-Bill
post #21769 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

Went all the way through DVE's video calibration tonight. Final result was much nicer (contrast had been set too high - wouldn't expect that from bulb aging).
Also redid the audio calibration - the surrounds were too loud, so I went for the full -3db trim on the other three channels that the Y-ing of the FL and FR into two sets of inputs would suggest.
Odd behavior on a pair of standard DVDs I put in immediately after DVE: Willie Nelson and Wynton Marsalis Play the Blues and The Willie Nelson Show (with Ray Charles).
On the first, which is a 16:9 DVD. the image came up too big, with title text falling off the screen. The Zoom button only fit everything in by going to the Zoom: 1/2 setting - which made faces distorted.
Put it into the Panasonic BD50 and it worked fine.
Then I put the other one into the Oppo. That one is 4:3 standard TV: it came up stretched to 16:9 - which I could only fix using my projector's aspect button, even though I've set the Oppo to Wide/Auto.
Ejected and restarted it and it came up pillarboxed as it should!
On a hunch, I put the first one back into the Oppo and it came up fine!
Any ideas what happened?

I have noticed similar behavior on my 93. Once in a while, a 4:3 DVD (like a South Park season) will come up with the main menu horizontally compressed and none of the zoom settings will make it fit right. Playing an episode sometimes fixes the problem, while other times I have to hit Stop, then Play again to fix it. It seems totally random and unrepeatable, and doesn't happen very often.
post #21770 of 26645
Thanks to all for dlna suggestions.

I think I really like the Oshare..

Seems to be very basic ( what I was looking for) and does not take any time to scan files for indexing.
post #21771 of 26645
When playing m2ts files or any file, is there way to adjust audio delay on the fly to fix bad audio sync?

Thanks

Oppo is totally awesome for media player!!

Just awesome!!!
post #21772 of 26645
Thread Starter 
Unfortunately no. There is no buffer in the player to adjust the Audio Delay in the player. This is something you will need to adjust in the receiver if at all possible.
post #21773 of 26645
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Originally Posted by abilyeu View Post

I have noticed similar behavior on my 93. Once in a while, a 4:3 DVD
(like a South Park season) will come up with the main menu horizontally
compressed and none of the zoom settings will make it fit right.

Criterion's "Vampyr" (1932) often exhibits the same strange behavior on my '93.
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Originally Posted by abilyeu View Post

It seems totally random and unrepeatable, and doesn't happen very often.

It doesn't seem quite random to me, but it's not always repeatable. It doesn't
happen very often.
post #21774 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Unfortunately no. There is no buffer in the player to adjust the Audio Delay in the player. This is something you will need to adjust in the receiver if at all possible.
Ok, thanks.

It's very rare anyway to have sync issue on the files I have.
post #21775 of 26645
It's been a while since the last FW update. Any news on a possible fix for the Netflix lockups or any added features for that matter?
post #21776 of 26645
Thread Starter 
OPPO is always working on new firmware, but there are no announcements that they are making at this time. Usually you see a new firmware every 2 to 3 months, so I would expect something fairly soon.
post #21777 of 26645
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Originally Posted by counsil View Post

Twonky Manager. It works perfectly with the Oppo 93. Between Twonky Manager and the Oppo 93 there is no file that I have (mkv, avi, flac, etc) that doesn't play back perfectly. Totally worth the $10 or whatever I paid a couple of years ago.
I have yet to find anyone that has been disappointed with the Twonky Manager/Oppo 93 combo.

WMA Lossless??
post #21778 of 26645
I can't answer that. I don't have any. Send me a link to a sample file, and I'll test it out for you.
post #21779 of 26645
WMA doesn't work for me - it's the only format i've found so far that won't play.
Pretty good considering!
post #21780 of 26645
For those interested in using my trick of Y-ing FL and FR into the analog DVD jacks to use the AVR's ability to animate the surrounds and sub on stereo material: the full 3db of trim on the surrounds was too much. Backed it off to 2db as a good compromise. This may be a controversial statement, but calibration is as much an art as a science (at least when the battery in your sound pressure level meter is dead!).

Listened to some multichannel DVD-Audio music from AIX and the first few tracks from Paul Simon's classic CD One Trick Pony in "big headphones" mode (the surrounds playing the same thing as the fronts - you could also think of it as "car stereo" mode), and then, for the main event, watched the Blu-ray Star Trek: First Contact all the way through (I didn't mean to, honest!).

It's always been one of my favorite films - tonight it was demonstration quality for both the image and the sound.

Not to mention great writing, great acting, and great special effects. How can you beat combining Zephrem Cochran and The Borg in one film? Think about it for 0.68 seconds! And Lilly pretty much stole the show, bringing Capt. Picard back to his senses by calling him "Captain Ahab."

Trekkie footnote - I've finally started to read Moby Dick - it shouldn't have taken me so long, considering how often Trek stories have used it as a touchstone, from Commodore Matt Decker in the original series' The Doomsday Machine (his nemesis even looked like a whale) to The Wrath of Khan - for Khan, Kirk was the whale.
Edited by Philnick - 7/27/12 at 12:21am
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