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post #22081 of 26610
If the chip is not working then I'd say it's not working for either BD or DVD, although I haven't tested it.

blairy
post #22082 of 26610
Not sure what a power card is but you might have luck using a hub powered from your electric socket and hard drives that are powered the same (rather than form USB.

blairy
post #22083 of 26610
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The video codec is AVC1 which ought to be supported, although I'm not sure about "Baseline@L5.0". The audio codec is SOWT which is not supported.
Per this link, it is "Apple QuickTime SWOT Little Endian PCM Audio Codec."
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As an aside: the number of competing a/v codecs is absurd. Free and unencumbered codecs are available which are at least as good as the stuff these people insist on inventing.
Just curious, which free video codecs are better than H.264, and which free audio codecs are better than AAC (or HE-AAC)?

From what I have seen, it is easier to make free codecs after someone else invents them first.

The PCM used in QT is free, but not really a codec per se, as it does no compression.
post #22084 of 26610
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Just curious, which free video codecs are better than H.264, and which free audio codecs are better than AAC (or HE-AAC)?

AAC is free and unlicensed, isn't it? HE-AAC may be different.

I see that H.264 requires royalty payments even though it is a standard. I wasn't thinking of a substitute, just that vendors should use existing standards rather than introduce in-house substitutes.

-Bill
Edited by wmcclain - 8/7/12 at 7:30am
post #22085 of 26610
By the way, PCM is the standard encoding of audio used on CDs and on DVD-Audio disks, and is the format compressed by FLAC in the music downloads from HDTracks and iTrax that the BDP-93 plays effortlessly.

It would seem pointless to use a lossy codec like AAC on it - since the expansion of that file would undoubtedly be to create another PCM file that was degraded by the process.
post #22086 of 26610
^Definitely, assuming your store of choice offers lossless downloads. wink.gif Some still dole out AAC and MP3.
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Per this link, it is "Apple QuickTime SWOT Little Endian PCM Audio Codec."
Just curious, which free video codecs are better than H.264, and which free audio codecs are better than AAC (or HE-AAC)?.
Better is a relative term. At 128 kbps, they are all sonically similar (with MP3 at the back of the pack but not far). HE-AAC does well around 64 kbps and below, but is proprietary and the format is really only supported extensively on phones (I'm not sure how well Apple even supports it). Vanilla AAC is better than MP3 at most bitrates and generally sonically equivalent to Ogg Vorbis, which is an open format that requires no royalty or licensing payments to use. Vorbis holds its own pretty well at 64kbps but is slightly inferior to HE-AAC. Beyond 128 kbps (and before lossless), it makes the most sense to use the format that gives you the least hassles. Unfortunately, that doesn't necessarily mean the most open format wins out (when the chip and device makers don't include format support in their soft/hardware).
post #22087 of 26610
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Ronald, if you're simply downgrading from the recent beta firmware to the most recent official firmware you won't need to follow those steps. All you need to do is load the official firmware on a USB stick. It was mentioned earlier that this beta firmware allows all users to downgrade to the most recent official firmware, whether you have a mod kit or not. Once you've downgraded the mod kit will work again. And apparently there is a new mod kit firmware on the way from bluraychip.dk that will allow the kit to work with the current beta. Should only be days away.

Where do I download the firmware from?

Once I put it on the USB stick, where in the Oppo menu system do I initiate the firmware downgrade off the stick?

Thanks
post #22088 of 26610
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post

Where do I download the firmware from?
Once I put it on the USB stick, where in the Oppo menu system do I initiate the firmware downgrade off the stick?
Thanks

Go to http://oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-93/bdp9x-firmware-66-0413.aspx

(That page was linked to on the page where you got the beta, by the way.)

It has step-by-step instructions for doing a USB install, and a link to get the files.
post #22089 of 26610
With the complaints we are getting about the NetFlix app.....IMHO the PQ is better coming of my TiVoHD than off the Oppo...........what would happen if Oppo dropped NetFlix?? Could we "officially" get to roll back firmware?

To me, Oppo is giving up too much to NetFlix for no more than they are getting back for their customer.
post #22090 of 26610
Philnick,

Can't thank you enough.
post #22091 of 26610
You're welcome!
post #22092 of 26610
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Originally Posted by dirk1843 View Post

With the complaints we are getting about the NetFlix app.....IMHO the PQ is better coming of my TiVoHD than off the Oppo...........what would happen if Oppo dropped NetFlix?? Could we "officially" get to roll back firmware?
To me, Oppo is giving up too much to NetFlix for no more than they are getting back for their customer.

I don't buy this Netflix restriction to avoid firmaware roll back. The WDTV LIVE and other devices allow roll back without any restriction and have Netflix. It must be something more, perhaps the way Netflix was implemented on the Oppo but not a general restriction from Netflix.
post #22093 of 26610
Thread Starter 
That is not a disc media player. The requirements and restrictions are going to be different from source device to another. OPPO says it is due to a license agreement with Netflix, and I have no reason to doubt them, as they are not really known as a company that likes to put restrictions on customer use.
post #22094 of 26610
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

AAC is free and unlicensed, isn't it?
No. Info link.
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I see that H.264 requires royalty payments even though it is a standard. I wasn't thinking of a substitute, just that vendors should use existing standards rather than introduce in-house substitutes.
Thanks for clarifying. I quite agree.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Better is a relative term.
Just the way I like it. wink.gif
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At 128 kbps, they are all sonically similar (with MP3 at the back of the pack but not far).
Depends on the circumstances. Yes, at a high enough bitrate they tend to sound similar, but that is not operating each of them most efficiently for the service provider.
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Vanilla AAC is better than MP3 at most bitrates and generally sonically equivalent to Ogg Vorbis, which is an open format that requires no royalty or licensing payments to use.
As I mentioned earlier, it is easy to make a comparable codec after someone else invented the first solution. While Ogg asks for no royalty payments, I do not believe it has been vetted for IP (perhaps I am wrong). That's one reason to keep it free. As soon as royalties would be paid, other IP owners (if they exist) would ask for their slice.
post #22095 of 26610
I haven't heard about an extensive patent infringement search on the behalf of Vorby either, so that is a potential pitfall should someone start to demand such royalties. The fact that it is free is also what keeps the big conglomerates from (occasionally) giving it anymore than lip service (hard to profit from free).
post #22096 of 26610
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I haven't heard about an extensive patent infringement search on the behalf of Vorby either, so that is a potential pitfall should someone start to demand such royalties.
There's discussion at Hydrogenaudio, but no one really knows the strength of a patent until it is tested in court.
post #22097 of 26610
Are the standard bluray modchip affected by the new beta fw?
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Public Beta Firmware 0723B Now Available for European 93EU and 95EU.

http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/customer-services/firmware/

OPPO UK has now posted the European version of the latest Public Beta firmware. This version is for the European model players -- BDP-93EU and BDP-95EU.

Note that only the USB install method is offered.
--Bob
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Well August is here and I hope to have everything ordered by next week. I have been lurking here for so long anxiously waiting for when I can place my order for the 93. I used to own a DVD player that did pretty good with codecs (for its time) and have been missing it every since it died many years ago. What should be my first 3D movies to test on this player? I will soon start ensuring all of my music is of the highest quality too since we have music playing as much if not more than the TV.
post #22100 of 26610
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Originally Posted by enthuzist View Post

Well August is here and I hope to have everything ordered by next week. I have been lurking here for so long anxiously waiting for when I can place my order for the 93. I used to own a DVD player that did pretty good with codecs (for its time) and have been missing it every since it died many years ago. What should be my first 3D movies to test on this player? I will soon start ensuring all of my music is of the highest quality too since we have music playing as much if not more than the TV.

For best 3D movies and reactions from wide audience, take a look at these threads:
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Originally Posted by RandyDee View Post

For best 3D movies and reactions from wide audience, take a look at these threads:

Thank you. I now have a few in my cart for first viewing. I see I will not sleep for a few days after I get everything setup.
post #22102 of 26610
Anyone notice amazon has 9 players left and the price is $600?
post #22103 of 26610
Oppo on Amazon is still listed at $499.

Noob question...is the 93/95 Full HD 3D capable?
post #22104 of 26610
Yes they are and I just checked amazon and it's still $600
post #22105 of 26610
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Originally Posted by bxbigpipi View Post

Yes they are and I just checked amazon and it's still $600
The seller at that price is not Amazon. An unauthorized dealer can ask any price they want. wink.gif
post #22106 of 26610
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Originally Posted by joefixit View Post

Are the standard bluray modchip affected by the new beta fw?

The current beta FW stops the bluraychip.dk pro mod from working. They'll need to come up with a new FW for the mod chip.

blairy
post #22107 of 26610
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Originally Posted by bxbigpipi View Post

Yes they are and I just checked amazon and it's still $600

htwaits is correct. If you click through on the link in the listing you saw when searching at Amazon, you'll see is that the seller is "xpw" - an independent seller at Amazon Marketplace.

Once you do that, you'll see Other Buying Options on the right-hand side of the page.

Click on that and you'll see all the sellers using Amazon to offer that item, usually - but not this time - including Amazon itself - which appears to have taken down its own page for the Oppo.

In that list, there are also a few other Marketplace vendors at that price - but if you look further down the page you'll see Oppo itself selling it for $499.99.

You have to learn how to navigate at Amazon - for example, if you search for a Blu-ray and see it being offered for less by a Marketplace vendor, it may be another version - I bought a disk that turned out to be the Canadian version with none of the American version's extra features. There's little detail in those lists.

If you're looking at a very tempting vendor price, click on the vendor's name to get to its Amazon storefront and find the product there - that's where you'll find the detail page.

Last point: Amazon Marketplace sales don't get the benefit of Amazon Prime's free shipping.

So you can get it for $499.99 from Oppo either directly at Oppo.com or through Amazon Marketplace. Compare shipping costs (and speed) in deciding.
Edited by Philnick - 8/9/12 at 7:57am
post #22108 of 26610
^ This sort of thing happens when Amazon's own distribution centers are temporarily out of stock of a product they normally keep in inventory.

Amazon's method of deciding which "marketplace" 3rd party resellers to feature in such cases is, umm, bizarre.

Some marketplace resellers modify the product to justify their higher price -- e.g., adding a "region free" board. There's no indication that's happening with "xpw", and if you go to the "xpw storefront" at Amazon, you will find an astoundingly unlikely combo of other products for sale from a place trying to sell OPPO players. biggrin.gif

Meanwhile, for the BDP-95 (which Amazon does not, itself, stock into inventory), they are featuring OPPO Digital as the marketplace seller.

Folks should also realize you can always go to the OPPO Digital web site and buy direct from the source. There you will find things like the real price of the BDP-93 is $499.00, not $499.99. And at the moment they even have a limited quantity of BDP-93 refurb units for sale (including full, new unit warranty), at a modest price reduction.
--Bob
post #22109 of 26610
How many of you buy the extended warranty through Oppo? Is there a grace period to do so, or is it at time of purchase only?
post #22110 of 26610
Thread Starter 
Anytime within the 1-Year Parts and Labor Warranty.
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