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post #22771 of 25181
9/5/12 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Do you know what restrictions will come with Cinavia? I don't, but given the industries track record, I don't assume that it won't cause me problems.

I only play commercial discs. If they break that, we've got bigger problems. Cinavia on my PS3 (in another room) causes me zero issues.
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post #22772 of 25181
9/5/12 at 10:10am
Can't wait for the new oppo player
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post #22773 of 25181
9/5/12 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

New Oppo: Cinavia and no ISO.

Newbie here. Can you explain what you mean by that? I've never heard of Cinavia, and "ISO" can apply to an almost infinite number of things.

I ordered a BDP-93 on Monday, and just received a notice from Audio Advisor that it was out of stock and discontinued.
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post #22774 of 25181
9/5/12 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by wopr21 View Post

Can't wait for the new oppo player

I would imagine at least some of the beta testers have one in hand already. Unfortunately they can't tell us anything about it until Oppos gives the OK.
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post #22775 of 25181
9/5/12 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

New Oppo: Cinavia and no ISO.

Newbie here. Can you explain what you mean by that? I've never heard of Cinavia, and "ISO" can apply to an almost infinite number of things.

For Cinavia, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia.

ISO refers to the ISO9660 disc image format, in this case copies of DVD or Blu-ray discs storied as data files. (We should call it UDF these days but no one does). For a few months last year the player supported ISO file playback, but this was removed by the decoder chip maker by order of the studios who didn't like it one bit.

-Bill
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post #22776 of 25181
9/5/12 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

For Cinavia, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia.
ISO refers to the ISO9660 disc image format, in this case copies of DVD or Blu-ray discs storied as data files. (We should call it UDF these days but no one does). For a few months last year the player supported ISO file playback, but this was removed by the decoder chip maker by order of the studios who didn't like it one bit.
-Bill

Thank you. Cinavia sounds like a rehash of the "notch" copy protection scheme of the 1980's, which was clearly audible. I'd never buy a product perverted like that. Seems the industry's greed is truly infinite.
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post #22777 of 25181
9/5/12 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by larrygeary View Post

Thank you. Cinavia sounds like a rehash of the "notch" copy protection scheme of the 1980's, which was clearly audible. I'd never buy a product perverted like that. Seems the industry's greed is truly infinite.

Note that the Cinavia signal is on the disc. The question is just whether the player respects it or not. You don't avoid any audible degradation by buying a player that doesn't support Cinavia, because the watermark is there regardless. To avoid it, you instead need to avoid buying those discs.
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post #22778 of 25181
9/5/12 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by larrygeary View Post

Thank you. Cinavia sounds like a rehash of the "notch" copy protection scheme of the 1980's, which was clearly audible. I'd never buy a product perverted like that. Seems the industry's greed is truly infinite.

Note that the Cinavia signal is on the disc. The question is just whether the player respects it or not. You don't avoid any audible degradation by buying a player that doesn't support Cinavia, because the watermark is there regardless. To avoid it, you instead need to avoid buying those discs.

Or going to the theater. The same watermarking is used there to frustrate piracy by camcorder.

Drifting off-topic, folks...

-Bill
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post #22779 of 25181
9/5/12 at 11:22am
Any Bluray player built after Feb 2012 must have Cinavia enabled and as far as I know they all have. I am not sure if the rule is also being enforced in Europe but I guess it is.
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post #22780 of 25181
9/5/12 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by sharding View Post

Note that the Cinavia signal is on the disc. The question is just whether the player respects it or not. You don't avoid any audible degradation by buying a player that doesn't support Cinavia, because the watermark is there regardless. To avoid it, you instead need to avoid buying those discs.

A disk with Cinavia will play perfectly on any player without Cinavia.
A disk with Cinavia will play perfectly on any player with Cinavia.
A copy of a disk with Cinavia will play on any player without Cinavia.
A copy of a disk with cinavia WILL NOT play on a player with Cinavia.
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post #22781 of 25181
9/5/12 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by sharding View Post

Note that the Cinavia signal is on the disc. The question is just whether the player respects it or not. You don't avoid any audible degradation by buying a player that doesn't support Cinavia, because the watermark is there regardless. To avoid it, you instead need to avoid buying those discs.

I understand. As I recall, the "notch" copy protection scheme was used on vinyl records, and cut a slice of frequency right out of the middle of the audible range. The only way to avoid it was to not buy the records. The scheme bombed rapidly. As it is I refuse to purchase music encoded with "lossy" compression schemes. My (ancient) iPod is filled with music from my CD collection encoded as .wav files. No .mp3 except for podcasts.
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post #22782 of 25181
9/5/12 at 12:12pm
There were some high prices paid for BDP-83 players when production was halted and before the BDP-93 players were available. There may be a similar market develop now, and it wouldn't surprise me it the remaining ISO enabled (no 2012 firmware updates) players bring the highest price. I might buy a new player, but I'm not giving up our BDP-93. biggrin.gif
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post #22783 of 25181
9/5/12 at 1:03pm
Assuming the new player has more advanced streaming capabilities (e.g. Roku-enabled), my plan would be to use the Oppo players something like this:

Content I own (ISO's, FLAC's and backup discs) - Oppo 93 (no firmware updates)
Content I rent (rental discs and streaming) - Oppo ?? (bring on the firmware updates)
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post #22784 of 25181
9/5/12 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Any Bluray player built after Feb 2012 must have Cinavia enabled and as far as I know they all have. I am not sure if the rule is also being enforced in Europe but I guess it is.

So does this mean the current Oppo 93, refurb unit they are selling has it already in the firmware? Anyway to back rev firmware?
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post #22785 of 25181
9/5/12 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by drparker151 View Post

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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Any Bluray player built after Feb 2012 must have Cinavia enabled and as far as I know they all have. I am not sure if the rule is also being enforced in Europe but I guess it is.

So does this mean the current Oppo 93, refurb unit they are selling has it already in the firmware? Anyway to back rev firmware?

No, the rule is for when the player models were released to the market. All the current OPPO players are from before the deadline and OPPO has said they will not have Cinavia detection.

-Bill
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post #22786 of 25181
9/5/12 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

No, the rule is for when the player models were released to the market. All the current OPPO players are from before the deadline and OPPO has said they will not have Cinavia detection.
-Bill
Great! I just ordered a refurb.
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post #22787 of 25181
9/5/12 at 5:30pm
I was on the fence between another PS3 and a refurb. Just ordered a refurb.

I needed a player which could move subtitles and one that plays all the formats the BDP-93 does was a big plus.
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post #22788 of 25181
9/5/12 at 10:38pm
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Oppo BD93 about to be discontinued?
So I noticed Oppo is only offering refurbed models of the 93. Anyone know if they are gearing up for a new model or are they just simply out of stock?

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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

Interesting question, but I'm also presuming that anybody who really knows anything about a new model can't say anything.
That said, the 93 has been on the market for two years (an eternity in the CE business) so I'd only be surprised if there wasn't something coming in the pipeline. (Precise timeline unknown.)
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edit: Besides, I can't help but notice that Mediatek has an updated SOC (MT8555) compared to the SOC (MT8530) used in the BDP-93 or the SOC (MT8520) used in the BDP-83 and it seems like Oppo brings out a new unit when Mediatek has a new SOC. wink.gif
A dual-core ARM11? The MT8555 sounds like it could potentially have a snappy UI if it includes a decent GPU considering the Apple TV (3rd gen) uses a single core ARM-Cortex.
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The MT8555 also has an HDMI receiver. This means it will be able to receiver external digital inputs and spdif, basically functioning as an uber-DAC biggrin.gif!

"MediaTek MT8555 is a highly integrated system-on-chip for Blu-ray Disc player. It consists of disc reading front-end and AV data processing back-end. MT8555 can support BD, DVD, and CD playback, including the latest BD-ROM formats, such as BD-Live and BonusView. It features AVC, VC1, and MPEG-2 video decoders that can decompress full high-definition video streams. And for audio decoding, its multi-format decoder is capable of decoding Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD lossless audio. Built upon the proven technology of MT8530, MT8555 is fabricated with advanced silicon process and offers higher CPU performance and more DRAM bandwidth. This SoC also includes a powerful graphics engine and a variety of peripherals, including USB 2.0 ports. To support popular network applications, MT8555 also implements 10/100 Ethernet interface and support WLAN connection thru its USB port. Besides the connectivity features, audio and video output quality and flexibility is another focus of state-of-the-art Blu-ray devices. MT8555 embeds 4 channels of 148MHz/12-bit video DAC and also an HDMI 1.4 compliant transmitter for 2D/3D video output. And MT8555 also embeds an HDMI 1.4 Receiver for video input. Its audio output via I2S, SPDIF and HDMI can be configured independently. Moreover, MT8555 also supports audio bit stream input from HDMI and SPDIF, which is a key function in the growing Blu-ray HTiB segment. With the advanced technology and abundant features, MT8555 is well positioned to be the core of next-generation Blu-ray players and home theater systems. "
Edited by dmusoke - 9/5/12 at 11:06pm
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post #22789 of 25181
9/5/12 at 11:27pm
I just got the Oppo BDP93 new in box from my local place.

I only get audio from center channel and only in pro logic type modes or all channel stereo when watching Netflix. Direct sound, 2 channel sound both give no audio. Firmware newest on the player.

I don't have a clue what is wrong.
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post #22790 of 25181
9/6/12 at 3:37am
How have you got it hooked up and what to?

blairy
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post #22791 of 25181
9/6/12 at 5:00am
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How have you got it hooked up and what to?
blairy

Hi.
Of course it's hooked up lol.
Yamaha 3020.

Edit: hehe.
Ohhh, how is it hooked up lol.
Hdmi.
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post #22792 of 25181
9/6/12 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

Hi.
Of course it's hooked up lol.
Yamaha 3020.
Edit: hehe.
Ohhh, how is it hooked up lol.
Hdmi.
Yamaha RX-A3020? How'd you score that?

S~
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post #22793 of 25181
9/6/12 at 8:11am
Hello all.

I just bought a BDP-93. It plays very well. But I had a few questions for you pros out there.

First, is the sound better when you use the analog (RCA) outputs for the receiver? I have an Elite SC-61 and there's no analog input for surround. I've heard it's pointless to have the Oppo in this case, cause you won't get the "full benefit" of the Oppo's sound. (so i bought it anyway:cool:) I'm using the hdmi cord that came with the player in the hdmi 1 port, into the BD hdmi port on the back of the Elite. And HDMI from the Elite to a Panasonic 60GT50.

Second, would it be worth upgrading the power cord? Ive heard an upgraded power cord (like and Audioquest NRG) would make a world of difference in the sound. Thoughts?

Lastly. Are there any audio or video settings I need to be aware of for optimum sound? .. or on my Elite for that matter.

Any comments that could help would be great!! Love this Oppo so far though.

If anyone knows of any phenomenal BDs to play on it, let me know too!!

Thanks!!
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post #22794 of 25181
9/6/12 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by Ejs71 View Post

First, is the sound better when you use the analog (RCA) outputs for the receiver? I have an Elite SC-61 and there's no analog input for surround. I've heard it's pointless to have the Oppo in this case, cause you won't get the "full benefit" of the Oppo's sound. (so i bought it anyway:cool:) I'm using the hdmi cord that came with the player in the hdmi 1 port, into the BD hdmi port on the back of the Elite. And HDMI from the Elite to a Panasonic 60GT50.
Stick with HDMI. Even though the BDP-93's analog outputs are very good, you're generally better off using HDMI when possible - especially if you want to use the room correction features in your receiver. The BDP-95 has even better analog outputs than the BDP-93 and it's sort of silly to purchase the 95 instead if you aren't going to use the analog outputs. But there's a lot more to the Oppo's than just the analog outputs.
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Second, would it be worth upgrading the power cord? Ive heard an upgraded power cord (like and Audioquest NRG) would make a world of difference in the sound. Thoughts?
Save your money and use the stock power cord. I only use different power cords if I need something shorter or longer to keep my cabling tidy, but I don't use anything expensive - I usually use the Middle Atlantic power cords as they're available in various lengths (12", 18", 2', 3', etc.).
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Lastly. Are there any audio or video settings I need to be aware of for optimum sound?
For the most part, the default settings on the Oppo should be fine. I set HDMI audio to bitstream instead of Auto.
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.. or on my Elite for that matter.
There's probably a thread for your receiver in the receiver forum - I'd ask there.
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post #22795 of 25181
9/6/12 at 9:31am
Is anybody using the IR Control port on the back of the BDP-93? If so, what do you have it connected to? I have been researching IR extender systems online, but I haven't seen anything that says it works with a port like that. Could I just run a 3.5mm mono cable to any IR blaster system?
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post #22796 of 25181
9/6/12 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

The MT8555 also has an HDMI receiver. This means it will be able to receiver external digital inputs and spdif, basically functioning as an uber-DAC biggrin.gif!
That could be very cool and that's assuming that it's even using the MT8555. Who knows if MediaTek has cooked up something yet unannounced with additional capabilities?

Either way, based on Oppo's track record I'll be looking forward to the next version. smile.gif
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post #22797 of 25181
9/6/12 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by Ejs71 View Post

Hello all.
I just bought a BDP-93. It plays very well. But I had a few questions for you pros out there.
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If anyone knows of any phenomenal BDs to play on it, let me know too!!
Thanks!!

The discussion about picture quality, with a list of bluerays ranked by best video.

Here's the best audio thread

Both of these are ranked by AVS members and will give you some really good choices for both audio and video.

My personal favorites:

Battle for LA
Thin Red Line
Pirates of the Caribbean
Avatar
Man on Fire
How to Train your Dragon
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post #22798 of 25181
9/6/12 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I would imagine at least some of the beta testers have one in hand already. Unfortunately they can't tell us anything about it until Oppos gives the OK.

I would think (?) beta testers might be able to comment that they have something but no details.
Of course depends on CDA.

Mike
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post #22799 of 25181
9/6/12 at 10:56am
Well I was just about to order a 2nd 93 from OPPO when I found out they are no longer being made and aside from the few Amazon and Audioholics have, only the refurbs are available. I wish they would not be so closed lipped about it but I can only assume that they won't say anything until they sell ALL the 93s they have. The only thing I would want to change from the current model is that they go back to a dedicated 2ch output similar to the 95 but without the additional enhancements.

Does anyone think there is a chance that may be included in whatever the replacement model is?

If not, I may as well get a refurb since it will probably have been gone over more than one off the assembly line. But, if they are not going to say until there are no 93s left, I waste a bunch of time and then end up spending more money. The 93 does everything I need it to do as a Video machine but for the place I will use it it will be half for CD playback and will only be hooked to a 2ch pre-amp via ICs.
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post #22800 of 25181
9/6/12 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post

Well I was just about to order a 2nd 93 from OPPO when I found out they are no longer being made and aside from the few Amazon and Audioholics have, only the refurbs are available. I wish they would not be so closed lipped about it but I can only assume that they won't say anything until they sell ALL the 93s they have. The only thing I would want to change from the current model is that they go back to a dedicated 2ch output similar to the 95 but without the additional enhancements.

Does anyone think there is a chance that may be included in whatever the replacement model is?

If not, I may as well get a refurb since it will probably have been gone over more than one off the assembly line. But, if they are not going to say until there are no 93s left, I waste a bunch of time and then end up spending more money. The 93 does everything I need it to do as a Video machine but for the place I will use it it will be half for CD playback and will only be hooked to a 2ch pre-amp via ICs.

I just got word back from OPPO that 2ch analog outputs will not be part of the new player.

Me thinks I should order the refurb at $415.

What else can they really add? Or will they just use cheaper parts and call it new and improved?
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