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Is it possible that they just ran out of a particular part and had to make a new unit based around a newer and more readily available part?

Anything is possible. That happened with earlier models.

-Bill
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What else can they really add? Or will they just use cheaper parts and call it new and improved?

Has OPPO treated you so badly in the past to make you this suspicious?

-Bill

No not at all, I just can't figure out why such a tight lip in announcing anything. The 93 already does just about anything one could want from a player so it's hard to imagine what they can add or maybe subtract.

We have a thread on the things people have been requesting: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1365649/what-features-would-you-like-in-your-next-oppo-br-player-and-discussion-on-when-it-may-be-released
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The only other thing I can imagine is that they want to sell ALL the existing units before saying anything so they don't end up not being sold.

If that were the plan it would have been better not to admit plans for a future player at all.

But in any case, they won't have any difficulty in moving the refurbished players. They are always snapped up and the BDP-93 is "special" with it's pre-Cinavia and functioning component video.

-Bill

Thanks for the link, great wish list but without reading the whole thread, the only item that stood out for me was the improved IR on the remote. It is about the least sensitive remote I have ever used, including $10 universals. In my main system, I get around this by using a Harmony One and in the place I intend to put the second unit, I will only be about 8 feet away so most likely no issue there.
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Well I was just about to order a 2nd 93 from OPPO when I found out they are no longer being made and aside from the few Amazon and Audioholics have, only the refurbs are available. I wish they would not be so closed lipped about it but I can only assume that they won't say anything until they sell ALL the 93s they have. The only thing I would want to change from the current model is that they go back to a dedicated 2ch output similar to the 95 but without the additional enhancements.
Does anyone think there is a chance that may be included in whatever the replacement model is?
If not, I may as well get a refurb since it will probably have been gone over more than one off the assembly line. But, if they are not going to say until there are no 93s left, I waste a bunch of time and then end up spending more money. The 93 does everything I need it to do as a Video machine but for the place I will use it it will be half for CD playback and will only be hooked to a 2ch pre-amp via ICs.

I just bought a BDP-93, 2 days ago at a Mognolia "Design Center"... They're in alot of Bestbuys, but act as seperate stores. FYI.. Magnolia Design Center is not the same as Magnolia Home Theater.. The Design Centers carry Oppo, Arcam, McIntosh, Monitior, etc..

Check out magnoliaav.com then click locations at the top. The store I bought mince at had "plenty" in stock.
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...If I can get a 93 for $500, or the refurb for $415, why would I want to wait til they are all gone only to purchase a newer unit that does not do anything more than I need, and possibly cost $600?

So far OPPO's history with their blu-ray players is that the quality/price ratio has gone up every time, with their new(er) blu-ray players.

I'd frankly be very surprised if OPPO's newest blu-ray player is more than $500; coz in general blu-ray player pricing continues to spiral downward.

...unless of course OPPO releases *two* new "low" cost units, a low(er) cost unit under $500, and one that is a small upgrade to the current 93 at a similar price point?
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Just buy now if you havent already and resell if you want to upgrade. They hold their value very well and youll get back most of your money if it comes to that.
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What is Cinavia?
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What is Cinavia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

-Bill
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Yamaha RX-A3020? How'd you score that?
S~

Lol. Oops. Sorry. I meant 3010.
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Ah ha! Thats what's going on! I went looking today and saw they were out, amazon-out! nothing on a new player yet?
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Ah ha! Thats what's going on! I went looking today and saw they were out, amazon-out! nothing on a new player yet?
Yes, as a matter of fact, an email from OPPO to one of there customers was posted here yesterday. Basically is said that there wouldn't be any information for an undisclosed period of time.

If you check in here once a day and read that days posts, you'll know right away when it happens. This thread will have a massive increase in activity. wink.gif

No one will have any information to release before OPPO releases their information publicly. A lot of beta testers will know, but they never disclose.

Please inform the next person that asks "what's known about the new model", and ask that person to "pass it on." biggrin.gif
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Lol. Oops. Sorry. I meant 3010.
I'm patiently waiting for that one. Been a while since I've tried a Yamaha.

S~
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I think the new Sony series belies the new OPPO coming in at a lower price point. Better built, and a tad pricier than the current Sony's.
In Canada, since Sony has made the decision to NOT sell the 790, a new lower priced but better quality OPPO BD Player might do quite well.
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I am thinking there is a huge area that OPPO did not cover yet. So far OPPO can spin all the current audio/video shiny discs, stream a lot of different file types over your home network, and some limited streaming options. The big area missing is the ability to watch and record live TV. I have a Pace RNG 200 STB from my cable company and you can see all the internal hardware through the top. The OPPO already has the audio and video processing harware so the only harware that OPPO will have to add is tuners, cablecard slot, and a hard drive. The Pace is a little more than half the size of my BDP 83 and it uses a 2.5 inch WD 500GB hard drive.
This would make the OPPO the ultimate multimedia device especially if they add more strreaming services and Rovis new Total Guide for the DVR.

If this happens the only devices in my home theater will be the OPPO, AV receiver, and my display. The cables for the whole home theater will be three power supply cables, 2 HDMI cables, and ethernet cable to the OPPO and maybe one or two coaxial cables to the OPPO. This is just speculation but I hope they go this route as I will defiantely buy two new OPPOs at whatever the price. Combine this with OPPOs impeccable customer support and the support from the OPPO owners on this forum will make this an unbeatable peice of hardware. The possibilities can be huge for the new OPPO.
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Originally Posted by Hyfi View Post

. . . . The 93 does everything I need it to do as a Video machine but for the place I will use it it will be half for CD playback and will only be hooked to a 2ch pre-amp via ICs.

If you don't need to wire up the multi-channel Analog outputs for multi-channel audio -- that is if you will be using HDMI audio for multi-channel content or will ONLY be using 2.0 Audio output for EVERYTHING -- then it is trivially easy to configure the existing multi-channel Analog outputs in the BDP-93 to function the same way a Dedicated Stereo pair would do.

1) Go into Speaker Configuration and set all speakers to have 0dB Volume Trim and to be equidistant -- any distance will do so long as they are all the same.

2) Now set LF/RF to Large, Subwoofer to ON, and Center and all 4 Surround speakers to OFF.

3) Now set Down-mix to Stereo. NOTE: Double check that Subwoofer is still ON -- turn it back ON if not.

4) Now wire the LF/RF RCA output jacks to your stereo pre-amp. Even though you turned Subwoofer ON in the configuration, leave its output jack unwired.

Voila!

For stereo content, such as playing a CD, the LF/RF jacks will carry the stereo output the same way a Dedicated Stereo pair would do. LF/RF will carry the full frequency range. There is no attenuation of LF/RF. The (unwired) Subwoofer jack will have only silence.

For multi-channel content, any audio in the Center and Surround channels will be "Stereo-style" Down-mixed into the LF/RF output channels -- the same thing that happens on the Dedicated Stereo outputs in the 95. The LF/RF output channels will carry the full frequency range of that down-mix since they are set to Large. I.e., no bass steering from any of the main speaker channels to the Subwoofer output. However, any LFE content (the .1 of 5.1 or 7.1) WILL be sent out on the unwired Subwoofer jack. Which effectively discards it. This matches what happens with the Dedicated Stereo output where LFE is discarded from the down-mix to prevent having to attenuate the LF/RF outputs dramatically to provide the necessary headroom to include LFE (which would have the undesirable effect of raising their noise floor -- i.e., when you increase pre-amp Volume to get back to a normal listening level you'll also be amplifying the noise floor). LF/RF will still be attenuated to provide headroom for the combined audio coming into them as part of the Down-mix, but the attenuation would have to be much more dramatic if LFE were also included.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 9/6/12 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

I am thinking there is a huge area that OPPO did not cover yet. So far OPPO can spin all the current audio/video shiny discs, stream a lot of different file types over your home network, and some limited streaming options. The big area missing is the ability to watch and record live TV. I have a Pace RNG 200 STB from my cable company and you can see all the internal hardware through the top. The OPPO already has the audio and video processing hardware so the only harware that OPPO will have to add is tuners, cablecard slot, and a hard drive. The Pace is a little more than half the size of my BDP 83 and it uses a 2.5 inch WD 500GB hard drive.
This would make the OPPO the ultimate multimedia device especially if they add more strreaming services and Rovis new Total Guide for the DVR.
If this happens the only devices in my home theater will be the OPPO, AV receiver, and my display. The cables for the whole home theater will be three power supply cables, 2 HDMI cables, and ethernet cable to the OPPO and maybe one or two coaxial cables to the OPPO. This is just speculation but I hope they go this route as I will defiantely buy two new OPPOs at whatever the price. Combine this with OPPOs impeccable customer support and the support from the OPPO owners on this forum will make this an unbeatable peice of hardware. The possibilities can be huge for the new OPPO.

I'm certainly not an expert here, but I doubt the cable company will let your dream device work with their system. My cable co (T/W) just initiated new features such as start over, something that relies on their servers. Oppo would have to constantly change the software to be compatible with future features & delivery method (Althoughough it does sound good)
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I'm certainly not an expert here, but I doubt the cable company will let your dream device work with their system. My cable co (T/W) just initiated new features such as start over, something that relies on their servers. Oppo would have to constantly change the software to be compatible with future features & delivery method (Althoughough it does sound good)
Very true. It might be possible using cable cards. They could put in an OTA tuner, though. I don't know how many would want or need that, though.

S~
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Thank you Bob for the reminder. I do believe I have that configed on my current 93 since it does double duty, HDMI to HT and 2ch out to Stereo.

Looks like I'm just going to get a refurb and if the new model is that much more and I think I need it, I can sell as suggested above.

Cheers

If I did not mention it, OPPO told me that dedicated 2ch outs will not be a new feature in the new player.
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Please post speculation and discussion of new players in the appropriate thread so we can keep this one focused on supporting the current players.
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Ya cus I still need help.
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Please post speculation and discussion of new players in the appropriate thread so we can keep this one focused on supporting the current players.

My bad.
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

If you don't need to wire up the multi-channel Analog outputs for multi-channel audio -- that is if you will be using HDMI audio for multi-channel content or will ONLY be using 2.0 Audio output for EVERYTHING -- then it is trivially easy to configure the existing multi-channel Analog outputs in the BDP-93 to function the same way a Dedicated Stereo pair would do.
1) Go into Speaker Configuration and set all speakers to have 0dB Volume Trim and to be equidistant -- any distance will do so long as they are all the same.
2) Now set LF/RF to Large, Subwoofer to ON, and Center and all 4 Surround speakers to OFF.
3) Now set Down-mix to Stereo. NOTE: Double check that Subwoofer is still ON -- turn it back ON if not.
4) Now wire the LF/RF RCA output jacks to your stereo pre-amp. Even though you turned Subwoofer ON in the configuration, leave its output jack unwired.
--Bob

Will setting the speakers to large affect the HDMI out, or will the AVR use its speaker settings (where all speakers are set to small)?
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Will setting the speakers to large affect the HDMI out, or will the AVR use its speaker settings (where all speakers are set to small)?
Speaker settings have no effect on HDMI digital output. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

When HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 are being used concurrently, HDMI 1 will be stereo PCM while HDMI 2 will be high resolution, multi-channel Bit Stream/PCM.
Well, this might explain what I'm seeing. So let me ask the question...

Brand new BDP-93 owner. I also own a BDP-83 but I needed two HDMI outputs and my Yamaha RX-V863 only had one. I bought a Yamaha RX-V867 (which has two HDMI outputs) but the "HDMI pass-through" feature on the 867 is genuinely defective (in design, not a defect in my unit) and all of the multi-channel input is NOT being passed through. Instead, only L/R channels are "stripped off" from the multi-channel input and sent out the HDMI output. Obviously this is NOT true "HDMI pass-through". Perhaps they only expected 2-channel input, but whatever the explanation it does NOT pass multi-channel input out of either of the two HDMI outputs.

So, the 863 only has one HDMI output (which DOES pass through all multi-channel input to its one multi-channel output), which is inadequate for my needs.

And the 867 has two HDMI outputs, but neither of them actually passes through all multi-channel input, so this too is inadequate for my needs.

My solution was to buy a BDP-93, which has two HDMI outputs. I've got HDMI2 connected to a Smyth Realiser, which expects decoded discrete multi-channel LPCM via HDMI. And it's now getting there correctly, direct from the BDP-93 HDMI2. THANK HEAVENS!!! FINALLY.

But I have HDMI1 from the BDP-93 going to my RX-V863, because I still need to get HDMI video to my HDTV. And since my HDTV only has one HDMI input I have that coming from the V863's one HDMI output. So the V863 is the "HDMI video switch" for all my HDMI sources, and also the decoder for DD5.1 coming from my DVR, etc, feeding the Smyth Realiser's alternative discrete multi-channel analog inputs from the V863's preamp outputs.

In other words, since the BluRay player is the only source device that can deliver decoded LPCM via HDMI to the Realiser's HDMI input, that's why I have HDMI2 of the BDP-93 going direct to the Realiser's HDMI input.

And all other source devices, which simply deliver DD5.1, they go HDMI to the V863 where the DD5.1 gets decoded and converted to analog and then gets sent out the 8 preamp outputs to the Realiser's 8 analog inputs.

Ok... that's the background, and setup.

The mystery is that I expected to see multi-channel HDMI audio input arriving to the V863 via its HDMI input connection from the BDP-93 (from HDMI1), along with the HDMI video. But instead, I only see 2-channel stereo (downmixed by the BDP-93 from the multi-channel source program on the BluRay??). I see true multi-channel going to the Realiser from HDMI2 on the BDP-93, but only 2-channels arriving at the V863 from HDMI1 on the BDP-93. If I set HDMI1 on the BDP-93 to be "video only" then the PCM light goes off on the V863, indicating ZERO audio arriving. If I enable "audio and video" on HDMI1 on the BDP-93, the PCM light goes on but only 2 channels arrive.

So... you're saying that's how it works? Since I have both HDMI1 and HDMI2 connected, and HDMI2 is feeding a multi-channel device, that HDMI1 will always now only be 2-channel stereo or zero, but will never also be multi-channel?

Interestingly, I've experimented by turning off the Realiser, so that HDMI2 is "disconnected". And now, sure enough, HDMI1 DOES produce multi-channel output going to the V863. This would be what I would want if I actually had multi-channel speakers connected to the V863 and wanted to listen through speakers. I would then turn off the Realiser (disappearing HDMI2) which apparently triggers the BDP-93 to change HDMI1 from 2-channel to multi-channel. And if I wanted to listen through the Realiser (and headphones), I would turn on the Realiser which would now receive the correct multi-channel from the BDP-93's HDMI2, and I really couldn't care less about what got sent out over HDMI1 to the V863 since I'm not listening through it when the Realiser is in use.


Do I have this right?
Edited by DSperber - 9/6/12 at 9:00pm
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^ You have that right.

Due to technical complexities of configuring two outputs and making copy protection work on both, there are some limitations when both HDMI outputs are live.

1) HDMI 1 will only carry a stereo down-mix while HDMI 2 is live. You could use this to drive built-in stereo speakers in a TV for example, but you can't get multi-channel audio. HDMI 2 carries the full range of audio formats. As you've discovered, the way to make the full range of audio formats available on HDMI 1 is to make HDMI 2 no longer a live connection. Depending on what's at the other end of the HDMI 2 cable, there may be different ways to do that. It may be sufficient, for example, to switch that receiving device to a different input. Or you may need to turn it off. However, be aware that some modern HDMI devices keep their "last used" HDMI input live even when the device is supposedly OFF. For those, it may work to switch it to a different input BEFORE you turn it OFF.

2) HDMI 2 will only carry video muted to black while HDMI 1 is sending out 3D video. HDMI Audio is always embedded inside an HDMI Video signal so there needs to be video to carry the audio on the HDMI 2 output, but to insure that you can always get a 3D signal out on HDMI 1 to your 3D display, the HDMI 2 video is muted to black in that case.
--Bob
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^ You have that right.
Due to technical complexities of configuring two outputs and making copy protection work on both, there are some limitations when both HDMI outputs are live.
Many thanks for your clear and concise explanation.

Turns out it's not really any kind of problem for me, to just be getting 2-channel out of HDMI1 when HDMI2 is delivering full multi-channel to the Realiser. I'm not using that for sound anyway, I'm only using HDMI1 for video through the V863 and on to the HDTV. Sound is coming via HDMI2 to the Realiser and headphones.

I'd just expected to see the display lights on my V863 showing the input channels coming from the BDP-93 via its HDMI1 feed to reflect the same multi-channel program on the BluRay disc (e.g. 5.1 or 7.1) that I'd already confirmed were going out of HDMI2 properly, but instead it only showed 2 channels arriving from HDMI1, and I was baffled. Again, I just received this BDP-93 today, so this was my first experience with its unique behavior regarding its own two HDMI outputs.

Anyway, you've cleared it all up for me. Thanks.


NOTE: I'm currently involved with Yamaha (pretty high up in tech support in the Buena Park location, and "they are abuzz" from this ticket) regarding the apparent malfunction of "HDMI pass-through" (passing only stripped L/R from the multi-channel input) out of what so far are three different dual-HDMI-out AVRs: 867, 871, and A800. In contrast, two older single-HDMI-out AVRs seem to have their "HDMI pass-through" work perfectly (passing all channels of the multi-channel input to the output): 863 and 573. As to why the single HDMI units work properly regarding this feature, and the dual HDMI units all fail... well, they're a bit flummoxed.

They've confirmed my results with their own tests, and have "phoned Japan" to get a response. HDMI pass-through on a DVR is not a common situation (since most people simply handle speakers from the AVR and don't need to send the HDMI audio on any further, so "HDMI pass-through" is typically disabled) but it obviously should still work correctly if you enable it.

It was this malfunction in my recently acquired 867 which forced me to get a BDP-93 as the "true solution", when I thought I could just use the 867 to accomplish what I wanted to do (which was to get digital LPCM multi-channel via HDMI to the Realiser).
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Oppo bdp 93 sound netflix

I just got the Oppo BDP93 new in box from my local place.

I only get audio from center channel and only in pro logic type modes or all channel stereo when watching Netflix. Direct sound, 2 channel sound both give no audio. Firmware newest on the player.

I don't have a clue what is wrong.
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Thread Starter 
There is nothing wrong. The player was designed for use with the Netflix 2.1 interface, so this means stereo only audio and 720p video. The player does not have the permission rights to access the Netflix 3.0 interface which adds multi-channel audio and 1080p video.
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Sorry if this has been covered, but this thread is HUGE! Can the 93 play a region b 3d disk? I want to buy sammy's adventures 3d from amazon, but it is only available region b...

Thanks in advance!
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Sorry if this has been covered, but this thread is HUGE! Can the 93 play a region b 3d disk? I want to buy sammy's adventures 3d from amazon, but it is only available region b...

Thanks in advance!

No, not without a 3rd party hardware modification.

-Bill
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Noted. Thanks for the quick reply!
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