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post #23491 of 26648
^ It is VERY common that AVRs will only accept LPCM 2.0 even though they will accept 1.0 as Bitstream input.

Basically what's going on here is that your AVR is telling the player it can't accept LPCM 1.0, and so the player is generating "dual channel Mono" -- LPCM 2.0 with the same content in both channels.
--Bob
post #23492 of 26648
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Originally Posted by JoeFinn View Post

Netflix has just opened services here in Finland and I wonder does Oppo support this? I know it does in the US, but how about in EU? Any plans if it does not yet support it?

The firmware for the European version of the 93 (BDP-93EU) does not include a Netflix app at this point.

The firmware for the new BDP-103EU *DOES* include a Netflix app. Since both that player and the Netflix service in Finland are brand new, we are still awaiting confirmation (in the 103 Owner's Thread here) from new customers of each that it is actually working.

Now, presuming we DO get confirmation that Netflix in Finland is working on the BDP-103EU, that does not imply the Netflix app will definitely become available on the BDP-93EU.

The new Netflix app on the 103EU uses hardware security features which are not present in the 93EU. (Netflix changed their requirements after the 93 was made.) Netflix is, of course, entering new licensing agreements in Europe enabling these streaming services, and they may not have been able to get licensing rights for this content to be streamed to older players like the 93.

Your best bet would be to ask OPPO UK whether they can discuss plans to enable the older Netflix app on the 93EU.
--Bob
post #23493 of 26648
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Originally Posted by kkpro View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

This is likely due to HDMI CEC control. HDMI CEC is a protocol that lets one device control another device over the HDMI cable between them.
The OPPO has a setting in Setup > Device Setup for disabling HDMI CEC. That will keep the Onkyo from controlling the OPPO. You also may need to adjust a similar setting in the Onkyo to keep it from turning on when it sees the OPPO turn on. Try just turning off the OPPO setting first.
--Bob

Thanks Bob. I will turn that off. I guess I made the assumption that only components of the same brand could control each other. Appreciate the info.

HDMI CEC is one of these weird areas where HDMI and marketing collide. Many brands have tried to claim proprietary, brand-named, rights to these features, and indeed they offer certain TYPES of control only between devices they make. But HDMI CEC has some base functionality they can't hide under their proprietary branded stuff. And device detection and power on is part of that.
--Bob
post #23494 of 26648
Now that I'm doing streaming music, I don't want to use up the life of the bulb of my projector just to browse and choose music to play.

I'm thinking of attaching a small LED monitor to HDMI 2 for that purpose.

I have HDMI 1 explicitly set to 1080p24. Can I attach an inexpensive 720p monitor to HDMI 2 without knocking back the resolution of HDMI 1 to 720?

I would normally only have one monitor on at a time, if that makes any difference.

I use analog audio, and have turned off audio over HDMI.

-Phil.
post #23495 of 26648
Why not use a cheap one that will take component or composite input? That will not interfere with HDMI settings at all. There are postings from people who have done that. 480i resolution should be adequate for file browsing purposes.
post #23496 of 26648
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Why not use a cheap one that will take component or composite input? That will not interfere with HDMI settings at all. There are postings from people who have done that. 480i resolution should be adequate for file browsing purposes.

Does anyone sell a cheap flat panel that takes a composite input? The table this would be on would be in front of my couch, and the cable run to the Oppo behind me would be around 20 feet. (There's no way I'm running three component cables!)

The Microcenter across the street from me is selling a Gateway 20" LED that can do up to 1600x900, with a DVI input that is supposed to support HDCP, FOR $100.

I'm assuming that an HDMI to DVI cable would work.
post #23497 of 26648
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

Does anyone sell a cheap flat panel that takes a composite input?
When I recently replaced my 13" Sony CRT kitchen TV I discovered a great deal at Video & Audio Center (in Santa Monica) on a Samsung UN22D5003BF, which they were "giving away" at 1/2-price. I bought it. The other small HDTV's from other manufacturers were 1320x768, which I didn't want. I wanted 1920x1080.

22" two HDMI inputs, full 1920x1080p, L/R-stereo audio input, component video input where the green connector doubles as a yellow composite input. Works great, looks great (though better at 1080i source than at 720p source).

The price of a refurb on Amazon is just what I paid.

May be a bit more than what you saw at Microcenter but it's an excellent 22" HDTV is you wanted to actually use it.
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post #23499 of 26648
I'm halfway to figuring this out.

I was given an old LED monitor a year or so ago that I've only hooked up to see that it works.

It has both DVI and VGA inputs. I'm not sure what its resolution is - it's at a friend's house.

I'll pick it up tonight. I already have a DVI/HDMI cable about 3 feet long that I used to use to connect my cable box to my projector, but to use the PJ's last HDMI jack for my Roku, I switched the cable box over to an old set of component cables I used to use back in the days of progressive DVD.

I'd just need some sort of male-to-female adapter or cord to allow me to run a longer cable so I can put it on the table in front of my couch!

In cruising through the menus of the Oppo, I've come to realize that you can't explicitly set different resolutions for the two HDMI outputs.

That may not be a problem.

Since I'm only going to be using one monitor at a time, if I set the Oppo's output resolution to Auto, it should auto-switch between 1080 for the projector and whatever the LED can do, depending on which one is turned on. I'd turn off the LED to use the projector and vice versa.

The only question marks are:

(a) Does this old LED (I think it's a Princeton) support HDCP?

and

(b) If the LED monitor doesn't support HDCP, does it even matter since I'm not going to use it to look at anything other than the Oppo's own screens: file browsing and music playback?

Does anyone know if HDCP is mandatory for what I'm looking to do? I could luck out and only need an extension cable!

-Phil
post #23500 of 26648
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

A lot of people have mentioned these in the past: http://www.amazon.com/Haier-HLT71-7-Inch-Handheld-LCD/dp/B001E78UQY/ref=sr_1_11?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1350769400&sr=1-11&keywords=7%22+tv
A refurb should be fine for the purpose.

Grabbed the manual for that from Retrievo - the A/V jacks are indeed an input, including composite video, so it should work - but album covers would be really, really tiny! On the other hand, turning it off wouldn't interrupt music playback, which is a problem with HDMI devices, even using the analog audio output.

Nonetheless, if my second-hand LED monitor doesn't work out - due the HDCP being mandatory even to look at the Oppo's own screens - this toy would be the next-cheapest option!

-Phil
Edited by Philnick - 10/20/12 at 3:10pm
post #23501 of 26648
I think the people who use the 7" monitors for browsing their catalogs keep them next to their listening seat. Looked at from a foot or two away, you should be able to read things pretty well.
post #23502 of 26648
Ok, it's an old Princeton Graphics VL2018W LED computer monitor. I found its spec sheet at Retrievo.

No mention of HDCP, Its supported resolutions are:

VESA 1440 x 900 @ 75/60Hz
VESA 1280 x 1024 @ 75/60Hz
VESA 1280 x 960 @ 60Hz
VESA 1024 x 768 @ 85/75/70/60Hz
VESA 800 x 600 @ 75/72/60/56Hz
VESA 640 x 480 @ 75/60Hz, Super VGA, VGA
Standard 1280 x 768 @ 60Hz

Could the Oppo output any of these from HDMI 2?

I know that 640 x 480 is 480p.

The questions are:
(1) whether it would be able to understand 720p,
(2) whether the Oppo could understand that's what it can handle, and autoswitch to 720p,
and
(3) whether the Oppo would refuse to output even its own menus without HDCP support?

Anyone?

-Phil
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Does anyone know if gradedexchange sells original bluraychip mod kits on e bay?

post #23504 of 26648
Hi is the Oppo BDP-93 able to bitstream HD audio to both the HDMI outputs simultaneously?

I have the BDP-93 HDMI1 connected to an Integra 8.8, and HDMI2 connected to my Sony MDR-DS7500 headphones that I got from Japan, which can decode the HD audio codecs.

When playing a movie with a DTS-HD MA soundtrack it will be correctly detected played through my Integra receiver, however if I turn on the headphone amp/receiver it will also correctly detect and decode DTS-HD MA audio though the headphones, but the Integra receiver will switch to All channel stereo.

If I then put the headphone receiver onto standby, the Integra receiver will remain on All channel stereo. If I then switch the headphone receiver back on and change the input to anything other than the Oppo HDMI2, the Integra amp will switch to decoding DTS-HD MA again.

I don't have the headphone receiver output connected to anything at this stage, only HDMI2 input from the Oppo.
post #23505 of 26648
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Originally Posted by jabz View Post

Hi is the Oppo BDP-93 able to bitstream HD audio to both the HDMI outputs simultaneously?

I have the BDP-93 HDMI1 connected to an Integra 8.8, and HDMI2 connected to my Sony MDR-DS7500 headphones that I got from Japan, which can decode the HD audio codecs.

When playing a movie with a DTS-HD MA soundtrack it will be correctly detected played through my Integra receiver, however if I turn on the headphone amp/receiver it will also correctly detect and decode DTS-HD MA audio though the headphones, but the Integra receiver will switch to All channel stereo.

If I then put the headphone receiver onto standby, the Integra receiver will remain on All channel stereo. If I then switch the headphone receiver back on and change the input to anything other than the Oppo HDMI2, the Integra amp will switch to decoding DTS-HD MA again.

I don't have the headphone receiver output connected to anything at this stage, only HDMI2 input from the Oppo.

See the FAQ (link at the top of the first post of this thread) for restrictions that come into play when both HDMI outputs are live at the same time.

One of those restrictions is that the HDMI 1 output will carry only a stereo (LPCM) down-mix of whatever audio is currently playing -- as might be used by the built in speakers of a TV set.
--Bob
post #23506 of 26648
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

See the FAQ (link at the top of the first post of this thread) for restrictions that come into play when both HDMI outputs are live at the same time.
One of those restrictions is that the HDMI 1 output will carry only a stereo (LPCM) down-mix of whatever audio is currently playing -- as might be used by the built in speakers of a TV set.
--Bob

Ahh thanks, Must've missed that as I only read the "How do the two HDMI outputs differ" question.
post #23507 of 26648
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

Ok, it's an old Princeton Graphics VL2018W LED computer monitor. I found its spec sheet at Retrievo.
No mention of HDCP, Its supported resolutions are:
VESA 1440 x 900 @ 75/60Hz
VESA 1280 x 1024 @ 75/60Hz
VESA 1280 x 960 @ 60Hz
VESA 1024 x 768 @ 85/75/70/60Hz
VESA 800 x 600 @ 75/72/60/56Hz
VESA 640 x 480 @ 75/60Hz, Super VGA, VGA
Standard 1280 x 768 @ 60Hz
Could the Oppo output any of these from HDMI 2?
I know that 640 x 480 is 480p.
The questions are:
(1) whether it would be able to understand 720p,
(2) whether the Oppo could understand that's what it can handle, and autoswitch to 720p,
and
(3) whether the Oppo would refuse to output even its own menus without HDCP support?
Anyone?
-Phil

UPDATE

No go with my old computer flat panel - even when the Oppo is explicitly set to output 480p, its output does not show up on the screen of this monitor.

If the Oppo is set to autoswitch or to 720p, the monitor says "OUT OF FREQUENCE."

If the Oppo is set to 480p the monitor acknowledges that it is getting one of its presets, but the Oppo apparently refuses to send anything over HDMI without the HDCP secret handshake.

-Phil
post #23508 of 26648
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The firmware for the European version of the 93 (BDP-93EU) does not include a Netflix app at this point.
The firmware for the new BDP-103EU *DOES* include a Netflix app. Since both that player and the Netflix service in Finland are brand new, we are still awaiting confirmation (in the 103 Owner's Thread here) from new customers of each that it is actually working.
Now, presuming we DO get confirmation that Netflix in Finland is working on the BDP-103EU, that does not imply the Netflix app will definitely become available on the BDP-93EU.
The new Netflix app on the 103EU uses hardware security features which are not present in the 93EU. (Netflix changed their requirements after the 93 was made.) Netflix is, of course, entering new licensing agreements in Europe enabling these streaming services, and they may not have been able to get licensing rights for this content to be streamed to older players like the 93.
Your best bet would be to ask OPPO UK whether they can discuss plans to enable the older Netflix app on the 93EU.
--Bob

Somebody might have asked already if the below quote is true, it sure sounds like...

“It is not likely that the BDP-9x platform will be upgraded to support Netflix 3.0 which is required to support multi-channel audio and 1080p video. The main reason for this is that he decoder manufacturer, MediaTek, is not too interested in working on integrating the new API into the player as the hardware is already two years old, while Netflix is not too interested in helping us integrate their API as we do not bring in large number of new or repeating customers.

Due to the limited resources we are receiving from these two partners, we do not believe that the new interface can be added to the player through a future firmware release.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.”
post #23509 of 26648
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Just thought I'd mention, low latency, quick access times and decent 2-way throughput are necessary for a program like Ivory Piano that you described. It's needed because it's taking your MIDI input via the keyboard and then accessing the file database to play the correct sound + requiring some processing for weight, duration etc.
. . .
Max

Actually, Ivory uses separate samples for each note for different weights, between ten and twelve samples per note per piano, held with full decay - the Achilles heel of the built-in piano sounds of keyboards, which don't do decay. If you have good high frequency hearing, you hear the overtones continue to cycle and recycle as long as you hold a chord - particularly with the damper pedal down to let the rest of the strings resonate - leading to a "traffic jam" in the high frequency range. That was what drove me to set up Ivory in the first place. To give you an idea of the size of its streaming database, the original version (which I have) which provided the three grand pianos I listed, was provided on ten data DVDs and took five hours to copy onto my external hard drive!

Also to combat latency for real-time playing (a major use of these sample packs is for multitrack assembly of recordings, where that's not as critical), they advised me to get a PCMCIA* plug-in soundcard from Echo - which boasts 96/24 capability.

Ivory sounds beautiful through headphones - the trick is amplification, given the very wide dynamic range of a piano (the formal name of which - pianoforte - is a concatenation of the musical terms for soft and loud). Computer speakers can't cut it, unless you dial back the dynamic range using the synth-like processing options built into the software that also let you adjust the resonance of the soundboard and simulate different room acoustics. I ended up buying a separate hifi stereo amplifier and speakers dedicated to the piano so I could play jazz piano on vacations while the rest of my family was swimming.

*PCMCIA has humorously been expanded as meaning "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms."

I've been trying for years to come up with a funny expansion for A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.!

End of off-topic digression.
That actually sounds pretty interesting. It's definitely a lot more intensive as far as the hard drive and connection is concerned, when compared to just playing a media stream off a drive.


Max
post #23510 of 26648
Just sprang $95 for an Absolute PHM911IR 9" LCD monitor designed for use as a headrest monitor for rear seat passengers to watch videos. It has an RCA A/V input for standard NTSC - it has a tilt-swivel stand or can be taken off the stand and laid flat on the table.

It has a single cable with a DIN plug, and an adapter cable branches that out to the RCA video input and power connection.

I'll need to rig up a 12VDC power supply for it (I have an AC to cigarette lighter adapter), but it looks like just the ticket to save the life of my projector's bulb - and let me listen to music in the dark without the projector lighting up the room, which it does even in Pure Audio mode.

-Phil
Edited by Philnick - 10/21/12 at 4:49pm
post #23511 of 26648
Has anyone created a browser based IP controlled remote for the Oppo, yet? Something similar to remoku.tv ?
post #23512 of 26648
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

Does anyone sell a cheap flat panel that takes a composite input? The table this would be on would be in front of my couch, and the cable run to the Oppo behind me would be around 20 feet. (There's no way I'm running three component cables!)
The Microcenter across the street from me is selling a Gateway 20" LED that can do up to 1600x900, with a DVI input that is supposed to support HDCP, FOR $100.
I'm assuming that an HDMI to DVI cable would work.

I've been using our older camcorder's screen just for that. It uses composite video.
post #23513 of 26648
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sigmaace01 View Post

Has anyone created a browser based IP controlled remote for the Oppo, yet? Something similar to remoku.tv ?

Not yet as the IP Control protocols for the player have not yet been released. The player is responding to IP Controls, as evident by the Android APK, but you can't create your own application at this time.
post #23514 of 26648
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post


With the BDP-83 you were likely masking the error as the handshake for audio and video were done in tandem. The prolonged HDMI video handshake masked the audio handshake that was also occurring with your receiver. Now that the signals are being split, the handshake with the television is likely faster than the handshake with your receiver, which is why you are noticing a lag in the audio acquisition on your receiver.


This sounds like normal behavior and not a sign of upcoming defects or deficiencies.

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Originally Posted by SteveCaron View Post

I currently have my Oppo connected via HDMI port 1 to my LG LW6500 and HDMI port 2 to my Yamaha RX-V663 and from the Yamaha back to the TV and intermittently I'm getting 2 in succession audio drops when the first bit of audio is played at the beginning during a viewing session; it never happens at any other time during the session and typically will happen once with the first DVD I put into the player or Blu-Ray and will happen again during the same session if I change formats from DVD to Blu-ray or vice versa but again only at the start when first audio output is present. To me this seems to be an additional hand shake between the Receiver and the Oppo and LG maybe because there is some confusion between the oppo, the TV and the receiver that does eventually get sorted out. Does this sound logical? I just want to make certain it's not a sign of something failing on the new player as I never experienced this behavior with my BDP83 going to the receiver and then to the TV.


Like most in here I too performed last week's software update successfully and I have discovered an unexpected benefit which didn't appear to be one of the fixes in the release. The described handshake issue I had been experiencing (in the above post) from day 1 is now completely gone. I guess my question is should I providing Oppo this feed back? Though I had a work around so the player was functional I would hate to have to go back to it in the event another software update rolls it back.
post #23515 of 26648
^ It never hurts to let OPPO know about changes like this. HDMI is magic, and so the more lore they collect on it, the better.
--Bob
post #23516 of 26648
It has probably been asked.....but this new/latest up-date will not introduce Cinavia, correct? These 93's and 95's will always be Cinavia free, correct?

Thanks
post #23517 of 26648
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Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

It has probably been asked.....but this new/latest up-date will not introduce Cinavia, correct? These 93's and 95's will always be Cinavia free, correct?

Thanks

Correct. And Correct.
--Bob
post #23518 of 26648
Thanks Bob!

Paul
post #23519 of 26648
Has anyone had any problems with their region free mods after the latest firmware upgrade? I just want to check before I do it.
post #23520 of 26648
Thread Starter 
The only issues I hear are with the Pro Mods which need to be firmware upgraded themselves to fix any compatibility issues.
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