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Is it possible to obtain gapless playback from sequential video files?

I have an Oppo BDP-93 connected to a BenQ W7000 projector and one of my ideas is to present "1950s" evenings, similar to what would have happened in a 1950s movie theatre. So, before interval there might be:
  • My own introductory fanfare-type thing
  • A newsreel
  • A Tom and Jerry cartoon
  • A home-made short
  • A Tarzan movie (or whatever)

After interval would come the main feature.

The originals of the various segments would be in a variety of formats: PAL, NTSC, BluRay, AVCHD, with various resolutions and frame rates, but I should be able to convert all of them to a single format such as MKV. My idea is to order the videos in the correct sequence by renaming alphabetically, then hit play. I'd like the playback to be seamless, but the Oppo pauses between videos with a "Source Searching" message. This leads me to a number of questions/comments:

  1. Is it possible to string together a series of videos and have them play seamlessly on the Oppo? Or is the problem with the projector?
  2. Would other players, say the Sony Playstation, be capable of gapless video playback?
  3. I could use my computer running VLC to play the videos in sequence, and I'm pretty sure that would result in gapless playback, but I'd rather not use my iMac.
  4. Is it possible to combine all the videos into one huge file with suitable software? I could convert the Blu-rays, DVDs, and home-shorts to MKV format, but can a single MKV file contain several videos stitched together, each with different resolutions and frame rates? And I would rather not have to re-encode; just join the videos together.


To sum up: is it feasible to link together several videos and then at a press of a button have them play seamlessly? What equipment, software, format would be required?

Any suggestions most appreciated.
Edited by guyburns - 12/11/12 at 2:54am
post #23912 of 26584

7.1 Sound via VUDU on the Oppo 93

Is this true (see below)? If so, is it because the firmware on the 93 is not capable of being so upgraded, or is Oppo trying to give a reason for 93 owners to ditch the 93 for the 103? If the latter, that is disappointing.

Anyone know the real story?


"The OPPO BDP-103/105 supports VUDU 3-D and 7.1 surround sound. The old OPPO BDP-93/95 will not be getting a firmware update to support VUDU 3-D with 7.1 Dolby Digital Plus (The old OPPO interface only offers VUDU 2-D with 5.1 Dolby Digital Plus) ."

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=6521012&postcount=155
post #23913 of 26584
7.1 Sound via VUDU on the Oppo 93

Is this true (see below)? If so, is it because the firmware on the 93 is not capable of being so upgraded, or is Oppo trying to give a reason for 93 owners to ditch the 93 for the 103? If the latter, that is disappointing.

Anyone know the real story?

"The OPPO BDP-103/105 supports VUDU 3-D and 7.1 surround sound. The old OPPO BDP-93/95 will not be getting a firmware update to support VUDU 3-D with 7.1 Dolby Digital Plus (The old OPPO interface only offers VUDU 2-D with 5.1 Dolby Digital Plus) ."

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=6521012&postcount=155
post #23914 of 26584
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Originally Posted by guyburns View Post



To sum up: is it feasible to link together several videos and then at a press of a button have them play seamlessly? What equipment, software, format would be required?

Any suggestions most appreciated.

There will always be a pause between media files on OPPO. How severe is this with your setup? If HDMI handshaking is involved, some projectors respond very poorly to that.

There will be no pause between chapters of a single file, but the resolution and frame rate would have to be the same for all content, which is probably not reasonable for a mix of material.

-Bill
post #23915 of 26584
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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post

7.1 Sound via VUDU on the Oppo 93

Is this true (see below)? If so, is it because the firmware on the 93 is not capable of being so upgraded, or is Oppo trying to give a reason for 93 owners to ditch the 93 for the 103? If the latter, that is disappointing.

Anyone know the real story?

"The OPPO BDP-103/105 supports VUDU 3-D and 7.1 surround sound. The old OPPO BDP-93/95 will not be getting a firmware update to support VUDU 3-D with 7.1 Dolby Digital Plus (The old OPPO interface only offers VUDU 2-D with 5.1 Dolby Digital Plus) ."

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=6521012&postcount=155

OPPO has always been willing and eager to put on any network service, but you can't push a rope. Someone has to pull from the other end, in this case Vudu.

-Bill
post #23916 of 26584
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

OPPO has always been willing and eager to put on any network service, but you can't push a rope. Someone has to pull from the other end, in this case Vudu.
-Bill

Does this mean VUDU will not allow the update on the 93?
post #23917 of 26584
After reading through the piece at http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=6521012&postcount=155 just cited, I'm glad I got a 93 and not a 103.

My "music dashboard" (9" LCD display) that I use to navigate my networked music without turning on my projector wouldn't work with the 103/105 because the new models have dropped the analog composite video jack the 9" display needs!
post #23918 of 26584
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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post


Does this mean VUDU will not allow the update on the 93?

That's my theory and I'm sticking with it. I have no inside info.

-Bill
post #23919 of 26584
The VUDU app in the current Official firmware for the 93/95 *ALREADY* supports DD+ 7.1 audio tracks for programs that have them, such as the HDX version of "Toy Story 3". This is true whether you are using LPCM, Bitstream, or Analog output.

(The splash screen that comes up when you launch the VUDU app only touts DD+ 5.1, but 7.1 works nonetheless,)

I don't know the status of 3D for VUDU on the 93/95 as I don't do 3D.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 12/11/12 at 12:15pm
post #23920 of 26584
It's here
:
OPPO Remote
OPPO Digital, Inc.

Free


Control your OPPO Blu-ray Player from any iOS device!
This is the first version of the OPPO Remote app for OPPO Blu-ray Disc Players. It works with the OPPO BDP-93, BDP-95 and later player models. (BDP-83, BDP-80 and DVD players are not supported.) The controlling iOS device must be connected to the same network as the Blu-ray player. Requires that the latest firmware is installed on the Blu-ray player. To obtain the latest player firmware, please visit OPPO Digital's web site.

Known limitation:
- The player must be turned on and connected to the network before it can be controlled by this app. The app can turn off the player but once the player is off, it cannot be turned on from the app since the player is disconnected from the network when it is off.
post #23921 of 26584
Thread Starter 
Looks like the iOS OPPO Remote is/should be available for you iOS users. No news yet on when the Media Remote will become available.
post #23922 of 26584
Questions regarding Color Space settings on the bd player hooked up to a Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD plasma. What is the best settings so the player and plasma do the least processing? I set my bd player to 'Source Direct' and was wondering what the Color Space should be? Color Space RGB 16-235 or YCbCr 4:2:2 or YCbCr 4:4:4 or Auto? I always had my bd player set to Auto, but I read that D-Nice recommends setting color space to RGB 16-235 and he said that Pioneer do internal processing in RGB.

So I assume setting the bd player to output 'Source Direct' and set space to RGB 16-235 does the least amount of processing and sampling for the Pio Kuro?
post #23923 of 26584
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Looks like the iOS OPPO Remote is/should be available for you iOS users. No news yet on when the Media Remote will become available.

Looks and works great. I can navigate the menus quicker with this app than the remote. Wish you can turn on the device.
post #23924 of 26584
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

After reading through the piece at http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=6521012&postcount=155 just cited, I'm glad I got a 93 and not a 103.
My "music dashboard" (9" LCD display) that I use to navigate my networked music without turning on my projector wouldn't work with the 103/105 because the new models have dropped the analog composite video jack the 9" display needs!
The Android app for the 103 (when it gets released) will serve as a nice alternative to an external display (not to mention more mobile!).
post #23925 of 26584
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

After reading through the piece at http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=6521012&postcount=155 just cited, I'm glad I got a 93 and not a 103.
My "music dashboard" (9" LCD display) that I use to navigate my networked music without turning on my projector wouldn't work with the 103/105 because the new models have dropped the analog composite video jack the 9" display needs!

If you ever need to switch displays, I've found a "Lilliput 669GL" a very good alternate. 1080P HDMI and all other inputs. It's only 7", but very easy to see.
post #23926 of 26584
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Originally Posted by guyburns View Post

I have an Oppo BDP-93 connected to a BenQ W7000 projector and one of my ideas is to present "1950s" evenings, similar to what would have happened in a 1950s movie theatre. So, before interval there might be:
  • My own introductory fanfare-type thing
  • A newsreel
  • A Tom and Jerry cartoon
  • A home-made short
  • A Tarzan movie (or whatever)

After interval would come the main feature.

The originals of the various segments would be in a variety of formats: PAL, NTSC, BluRay, AVCHD, with various resolutions and frame rates, but I should be able to convert all of them to a single format such as MKV. My idea is to order the videos in the correct sequence by renaming alphabetically, then hit play. I'd like the playback to be seamless, but the Oppo pauses between videos with a "Source Searching" message. This leads me to a number of questions/comments:

  1. Is it possible to string together a series of videos and have them play seamlessly on the Oppo? Or is the problem with the projector?
  2. Would other players, say the Sony Playstation, be capable of gapless video playback?
  3. I could use my computer running VLC to play the videos in sequence, and I'm pretty sure that would result in gapless playback, but I'd rather not use my iMac.
  4. Is it possible to combine all the videos into one huge file with suitable software? I could convert the Blu-rays, DVDs, and home-shorts to MKV format, but can a single MKV file contain several videos stitched together, each with different resolutions and frame rates? And I would rather not have to re-encode; just join the videos together.


To sum up: is it feasible to link together several videos and then at a press of a button have them play seamlessly? What equipment, software, format would be required?

Any suggestions most appreciated.

I've begun authoring DVD-As in order to get gapless audio playback. Thinking aloud, but I wonder if you couldn't also author video files to DVD-V or Blu-ray format to get gapless video playback. There are a number of authoring tools, some that are relatively inexpensive. I don't know about all of them, but some of the tools I've seen offer gapless audio, so I would imagine gapless video would also be a possibility. I'm not sure how it would handle the different resolutions/frame rates, etc. and whether it would re-encode the files. For audio, I can combine files with different samplerates/bitrates, but don't know about video.

I still have ISO playback so I author my DVD-As to ISO, but I would think once you've authored a DVD-V or Blu-ray, you could then convert to MKV or some other compatible format if your 93 doesn't support ISO. Might be worth checking out for your purposes.
Edited by scolumbo - 12/12/12 at 3:04pm
post #23927 of 26584
Just noticed that Pandora has launched in Australia and New Zealand. I wonder if Oppo players running US firmware will now work in Oz. I'll give it a try when I get a moment.
post #23928 of 26584
^ Tried it. Worked fine:-)
post #23929 of 26584
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Originally Posted by SeriousHorse View Post

Just noticed that Pandora has launched in Australia and New Zealand. I wonder if Oppo players running US firmware will now work in Oz. I'll give it a try when I get a moment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SeriousHorse View Post

^ Tried it. Worked fine:-)

Thanks for posting that! Useful info.
--Bob
post #23930 of 26584
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Originally Posted by oppopioneer View Post

Questions regarding Color Space settings on the bd player hooked up to a Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD plasma. What is the best settings so the player and plasma do the least processing? I set my bd player to 'Source Direct' and was wondering what the Color Space should be? Color Space RGB 16-235 or YCbCr 4:2:2 or YCbCr 4:4:4 or Auto? I always had my bd player set to Auto, but I read that D-Nice recommends setting color space to RGB 16-235 and he said that Pioneer do internal processing in RGB.
So I assume setting the bd player to output 'Source Direct' and set space to RGB 16-235 does the least amount of processing and sampling for the Pio Kuro?

Yes, try using Color Space RGB 16-235 / source direct / & Deep Colour = OFF. I too have the 60" Kuro which is being fed by the Oppo 93. After many hours of testing, I used these settings.
Try doing a search for "Ratatouille" on this thread.... Bob Pariseau posted some great info on how to use a test scene in that movie to test for the best colour space/resolution settings.

Paul
post #23931 of 26584
Quote:
Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Yes, try using Color Space RGB 16-235 / source direct / & Deep Colour = OFF. I too have the 60" Kuro which is being fed by the Oppo 93. After many hours of testing, I used these settings.
Try doing a search for "Ratatouille" on this thread.... Bob Pariseau posted some great info on how to use a test scene in that movie to test for the best colour space/resolution settings.
Paul

I actually use that setting for my panasonic gt25 set.

Jacob
post #23932 of 26584
Quote:
Originally Posted by hidefpaul View Post

Yes, try using Color Space RGB 16-235 / source direct / & Deep Colour = OFF. I too have the 60" Kuro which is being fed by the Oppo 93. After many hours of testing, I used these settings.
Try doing a search for "Ratatouille" on this thread.... Bob Pariseau posted some great info on how to use a test scene in that movie to test for the best colour space/resolution settings.
Paul

Thank you.

I just watched Point Break on dvd on my Pio Kuro plasma. I had the bd player set to RGB 16-235 and Source Direct. I had my Pio Kuro plasma set to Color Space-3 RGB 16-235 with Film Mode-Advance on. It looked like I was watching it in the theater on a movie screen. The Pio plasmas duplicates and replicates film authentically, it was amazing to see all the pops, scratches, film grain as the original source and how it upconverts dvd.

The Pioneer Elite Kuro plasma have a feature called "Film Mode" and if you set it to 'Advance' while watching bluray and if it detects a 1080p/24 signal it will upconvert it to 1080p/72. It also handles 480i dvd film based material well too.
post #23933 of 26584
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

I actually use that setting for my panasonic gt25 set.
Jacob

I read on another website/forum that the Panasonic plasmas do their sampling or processing in YCbCr 4:2:2 and someone posted that D-Nice recommends setting YCbCr 4:2:2 for Panasonic's. I could be wrong though so don't quote me on this. See if D-Nice or another ISF certified calibrator can answer this.
post #23934 of 26584
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Originally Posted by oppopioneer View Post

I read on another website/forum that the Panasonic plasmas do their sampling or processing in YCbCr 4:2:2 and someone posted that D-Nice recommends setting YCbCr 4:2:2 for Panasonic's. I could be wrong though so don't quote me on this. See if D-Nice or another ISF certified calibrator can answer this.

I heard this from panasonic.

Jacob
post #23935 of 26584
would this also be true for a TH58pz800u?
post #23936 of 26584
So I would assume if you have a Panasonic plasma and wanted the least amount of processing and mucking around for best results to set your bd player to Color Space YCbCr 4:2:2 ?
post #23937 of 26584
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Originally Posted by ayrton View Post

If you ever need to switch displays, I've found a "Lilliput 669GL" a very good alternate. 1080P HDMI and all other inputs. It's only 7", but very easy to see.

One of the virtues of using the composite output for music navigation is that it makes listening in a fully-darkened room much more practical.

Turning a composite-driven LCD off or on does not cause the silencing of the audio output for a second or two that turning an HDMI-connected display off or on does, because the HDMI handshake process mutes all outputs - even the analog audio jacks that I use.

While touching the buttons on the LCD monitor to control it produces beeps, controlling it with its remote is silent, hence the spectacle of me pointing its remote at it from a few inches away to control it!

Phil
post #23938 of 26584
^ Pure Mode (button upper left on remote) can also be used to blank the video screen without causing the handshake retry necessary if the HDMI display is turned off.
--Bob
post #23939 of 26584
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Originally Posted by oppopioneer View Post

So I would assume if you have a Panasonic plasma and wanted the least amount of processing and mucking around for best results to set your bd player to Color Space YCbCr 4:2:2 ?

Nobody has ever demonstrated that this makes any visible difference in the Panny plasmas. Even RGB input will look identical if the display is set up correctly. So its purely a theoretical question, and the Panny displays seem to handle color conversions correctly. It would be fairly easy to discern if they did not, and such an issue has not been reported.
post #23940 of 26584
I agree with RDGRIMES. In theory, if the video processing is done correctly at every step, it should make no difference at all whether the player is set to output RGB Video Level, YCbCr 4:4:4, or YCbCr 4:2:2.

The choice to use or not use Deep Color is a bit different, but again, if everything is being done "right" the value of 30 or 36 bit Deep Color should be SUBTLE, not dramatic.

So the real reason for making a choice of one combo (format and Deep Color) over another most often comes down to trying to avoid quirks (read "bugs") in the AVR or Display. Given that you are now talking about bugs, there is no logic behind which combo works best.

I.e. there is no pat answer. You just have to try the different combos and see if you can spot a reason to prefer one over the other.

But again, the BEST answer here -- the one that shows your equipment is working the best way possible -- is that you CAN'T find a reason to prefer one format over another, and the variations for Deep Color choices will be subtle.

As a starting point, keep in mind that for HDMI to HDMI connections, YCbCr 4:4:4 with Deep Color OFF (24 bits per pixel) is the "default" format.

If you can't spot a reason to use Deep Color 30 or 36 bit, THEN LEAVE IT OFF as that puts less bandwidth on the HDMI cable -- meaning less likelihood of HDMI handshake problems.
--Bob
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