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post #24181 of 26595
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

Fortunately, there's even been a bit of an uptick in DVD-A releases lately, and there are some exquisite recordings being released (e.g. King Crimson catalog).

True, and there has been a noticeable downtick in my bank account balance. I'm a big fan of rock re-issues on DVD-A!
post #24182 of 26595
I've found an archive for some of this OOP multichannel material, so I, again, understand the appeal. wink.gif

Blairy, FLACs on your phone?! Seems overkill but I guess that depends on the application. smile.gif For mobility or portability, I convert to the aformentioned Opus for amazing sound quality at 64 kbps.
post #24183 of 26595
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

I handle all of my media carefully. Some of the CD's that went bad had probably only been played a few times (including when I initially ripped them to MP3's), while some of the first CD's I bought many years ago when I got my first CD player have been played hundreds of times and are still fine. My point was that CD's sometimes go bad and it's not a good idea to rely on them as your only backup - after they go out of print they can become difficult and/or expensive to replace.
Thanks for the reply. It seems strange though as out of the over 500 CDs I have in my collection, some going all the way back to when Compact Disc first came out as a format, I have never had one go bad on me.

Am I lucky?

I know what you mean about out of print discs being way expensive.
post #24184 of 26595
Same here way over a 1000 discs ripped with EAC many from the 80s. Never had one not rip. A few had errors that usually went away if I cleaned the disc or left EAC chew at it very slowly.
post #24185 of 26595
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

I'm just curous and yes, I realize this is off topic, but how did you handle your problematic CDs? Were you careful to only hold them by the outside edges or did you actually touch the surface with fingers the way my Wife likes to handle them?.eek.gif The reason I ask is I would like to have some sort of example I could show her as to why it is important to handle ALL shiny disc media properly. LOL
I handle all of my media carefully. Some of the CD's that went bad had probably only been played a few times (including when I initially ripped them to MP3's), while some of the first CD's I bought many years ago when I got my first CD player have been played hundreds of times and are still fine. My point was that CD's sometimes go bad and it's not a good idea to rely on them as your only backup - after they go out of print they can become difficult and/or expensive to replace.
CDs can and do go bad without external physical damage. The foil/dye layer deteriorates over time. Some are worse than others. IIRC, it might be the Smithsonian Institute that was/is conducting long-term testing of CD longevity (caught it on a documentary). They had some CDs over 25 years old that were fine, some that began failing to read after about 10 years. Some CD-Rs that would have read errors after 3-5 years (I have one of those. You can visually see the erosion of the foil layer).


Max
post #24186 of 26595
]So no I have it on HDMI 1, with all signals at 1080p.
I have Secondary Audio Off, I will know soon enough what the culprit truly is.
As I know that the player, nor either HDMI output, or my other equipment is the problem.
It invariably must be some setting gumming up the works…


UPDATE

After having the video set at HDMI 1 at all signals 1080p for 90 minutes the issue manifested.
Yes so the issue manifests if you don't have the player set at SOURCE DIRECT.



Proving the culprit is without a doubt, the Qdeo chip.
Edited by Fanboyz - 1/1/13 at 2:48pm
post #24187 of 26595
Using HDMI1 and the latest official firmware, I noticed I could not zoom (operation not permitted icon) on the Japanese BD for Kiki's Delivery Service. Zoom has worked fine for me in the past, including on BD-Java titles. Possibly a new variant not accounted for?
post #24188 of 26595
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Originally Posted by CatBus View Post

Using HDMI1 and the latest official firmware, I noticed I could not zoom (operation not permitted icon) on the Japanese BD for Kiki's Delivery Service. Zoom has worked fine for me in the past, including on BD-Java titles. Possibly a new variant not accounted for?

Make sure you are not using Source Direct (as that bypasses the processing which implements Zoom), and that you have HDMI 1 set as your Primary Output for video.

If that doesn't give you an easy answer, send the disc details (including the bar code number from the packaging) to OPPO Tech Support.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Make sure you are not using Source Direct (as that bypasses the processing which implements Zoom), and that you have HDMI 1 set as your Primary Output for video.
If that doesn't give you an easy answer, send the disc details (including the bar code number from the packaging) to OPPO Tech Support.
--Bob

No source direct, HDMI1 is primary. I'll go ahead and contact support after a little more head-scratching. And I thought my days of contacting support on this thing were over...
post #24190 of 26595
When I play back m2ts files from my network, whenever I press FF or REW, followed by Play, subtitles appear on the screen. These are still OFF in the subtitles menu selection. The only way to get rid, is to select Subtitles, and then turn it OFF.

I know this sounds similar to the fix in the old firmware, but I don't hear anyone else mentioning this. It's not a biggie for me. But any ideas?

Oppo suggested I redo the firmware, I did, and no difference.

Also, when I just press Stop during playback, followed by Play to resume, the subtitles appear, but the info bar actually tells me so in this scenario.

(running latest EU firmware, Twonky is the server).

Thanks,
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Check in Setup > Device Setup > Languages to see if you have Subtitles defaulted to OFF or to something else.
--Bob
post #24192 of 26595
Player, Disc, and Audio are all English, with Subtitles OFF.

I only noticed this when I updated firmware via Internet a while ago. I repeated the Update via USB, if any of this is relative.
Edited by wl1 - 1/1/13 at 5:20pm
post #24193 of 26595
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

There is no logical reason for having DD+ as the "core", since SPDIF can not handle it and that is the only reason for having a core.

Are you sure about that.

I just watched Eastern Promises off of my HD-DVD just a couple of weeks ago and I was playing the DD+ track through Toslink SPDIF just fine.
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w|1,
You should probably contact OPPO Tech Support with the details. I'm pretty sure this problem is considered "fixed" in the newest firmware.
--Bob
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Yes, I followed up the original email today, I think they wanted to make sure there wasn't a problem with my firmware somehow. I was looking to hear if any body else has experienced this too, so I could feedback further.

Let me know if anybody has seen similar, thanks Bob.

Wayne.
post #24196 of 26595
^ The only thing I can think of is that somehow the fix didn't make it into the European version of the firmware, but that's not very likely.

It's also possible, I suppose, that there's something special about the particular files you are playing. OPPO may need a copy of one.
--Bob
post #24197 of 26595
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Originally Posted by nikonf5 View Post

Are you sure about that.
I just watched Eastern Promises off of my HD-DVD just a couple of weeks ago and I was playing the DD+ track through Toslink SPDIF just fine.

I probably should have used different words in my comment.

My understanding is that SPDIF is designed to support stereo PCM data and compressed data streams. This puts the upper limit at roughly 1.5Mbps, although I'm sure the standard could have been tweaked to support much more than that, especially for optical.

DD+ supports a range of bitrates from 32kbps to 6Mbps, so standard SPDIF would not be able to reliably support playback at the higher bitrates.

I am not surprised that a DD+ soundtrack can be played via SPDIF if the bitrate is low enough, as I was always surprised why they limited it to 640kbps for DD when it was capable of 1.5Mbps for stereo PCM. Someone will probably tell me that Dolby consider bitrates above 640kbps for DD5.1 to offer diminishing returns in quality. Are you sure the HD-DVD player isn't stripping DD+ back to DD over SPDIF?

For obvious reasons, SPDIF could not be used for all DD+ tracks, so I'm guessing it was safer and simpler to give the impression that DD+ is generally not supported over SPDIF.

In reality, I'm sure SPDIF could have been used for Bluray with some tweaks, but the industry does like migrating to new platforms before reaching end of life of existing ones. DVD was never leveraged to its full potential before being superseded by Bluray.

I could be wrong, but I had a feeling DD+ is similar to a DD core plus extensions (which makes it relatively easy to strip DD+ back to DD). Consequently, there seems to be little point in having a core + extensions as a companion soundtrack to TrueHD, especially if one can not go over 1.5Mbps. If this was investigated further, I expect one would find that the industry considered a 640kbps DD soundtrack to be more than adequate if not using the TrueHD track and fully supported by SPDIF and consumer decoders: the same could probably not be said of DD+.
Edited by IanD - 1/1/13 at 11:54pm
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Aforementioned BluRays w/Audio dropouts:
Pages 60 to 65 are somewhat confusing to me, particularly pg 63 (SA audio set to 'off') versus pg 64. Assuming I have a suitable AVR, wouldn't HDMI / LPCM be the preferred 'default' so to speak?

Kind Regards
post #24199 of 26595
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

My understanding is that SPDIF is designed to support stereo PCM data and compressed data streams. This puts the upper limit at roughly 1.5Mbps, although I'm sure the standard could have been tweaked to support much more than that, especially for optical.
Yes, S/PDIF is used for 2.3 Mbps (48/24), and even higher than that with 2x or 4x sample rates.
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DD+ supports a range of bitrates from 32kbps to 6Mbps, so standard SPDIF would not be able to reliably support playback at the higher bitrates. I am not surprised that a DD+ soundtrack can be played via SPDIF if the bitrate is low enough, as I was always surprised why they limited it to 640kbps for DD when it was capable of 1.5Mbps for stereo PCM.
DD+ soundtracks are never played over S/PDIF in native form. They are converted to 640 kbps DD to ensure compatibility with anything with a DD decoder.
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Someone will probably tell me that Dolby consider bitrates above 640kbps for DD5.1 to offer diminishing returns in quality.
It requires more memory, and back in the day that was a costly issue for DVD players and STBs.
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Are you sure the HD-DVD player isn't stripping DD+ back to DD over SPDIF?
It is.
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I could be wrong, but I had a feeling DD+ is similar to a DD core plus extensions (which makes it relatively easy to strip DD+ back to DD).
It's not quite like that. The audio framing is the same, and much of the coding is the same, but there is no regular DD inside. Instead, DD+ was designed to be easily translated (certain portions decoded and re-encoded) to DD. It essentially prevents the usual lossy degradation that happens when two lossy codecs are cascaded.

So, Ian, does this mean there are no BDs with TrueHD/DD+ after all?
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

So, Ian, does this mean there are no BDs with TrueHD/DD+ after all?

Thanks for the clarifications: it was difficult finding definitive information about SPDIF.

In answer to your question, the following is a copy of a scan of "Finding Nemo" Bluray (not mine and I don't know which region this is from, but the original poster was having problems with this title and "Brave" which is why they looked at what was on the disc):
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M2TS, 1 video track, 8 audio tracks, 13 subtitle tracks, 1:40:54, 24p /1.001
1: Chapters, 32 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: TrueHD/AC3, English, 7.1 channels, 48kHz
(embedded: AC3 EX, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz)
4: AC3 Surround, English, 2.0 channels, 320kbps, 48kHz
5: AC3 EX, Czech, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz
6: AC3 EX, Slovak, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz
7: AC3 EX, Arabic, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz
8: AC3 EX, Russian, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz
9: AC3 EX, Ukrainian, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz
10: AC3 EX, Croatian, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz
11: Subtitle (PGS), English
12: Subtitle (PGS), English
13: Subtitle (PGS), Czech
14: Subtitle (PGS), Slovak
15: Subtitle (PGS), Arabic
16: Subtitle (PGS), Russian
17: Subtitle (PGS), Ukrainian
18: Subtitle (PGS), Croatian
19: Subtitle (PGS), Slovak
20: Subtitle (PGS), Arabic
21: Subtitle (PGS), Ukrainian
22: Subtitle (PGS), Croatian
23: Subtitle (PGS), Czech

Oops, it looks like I am in error: I have been interpreting EX to mean "extensions" or an acronym for DD+ when in reality EX in this situation means "matrixed rear channel" and not DD+. In this situation, DD+ would be identified by E-AC3.

So, it looks like there aren't DD+ soundtracks after all.

My apologies for leading people astray.
Edited by IanD - 1/3/13 at 8:53pm
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This is such a huge thread and the new search engine leaves something to be desired. so....
I'll ask this question knowing it's probably answered here somewhere smile.gif

I have both HDMI outs connected to 2 different receivers. When both are connected, does one downsample all tracks to 2 ch PCM? HDMI 1 is the primary and used to bitstream perfectly and I could also switch back & forth from bitstream to decoded PCM with a problem.

Now, 1 of the outputs passes both hi-rez bitstream & PCM just fine but the other seems stuck on 2 ch PCM, not even 7.1 PCM. And changing the audio format doesn't do anything to that output.

Checked the manual and I couldn't find any documentation of how the audio using both outs is handled.
post #24202 of 26595
The FAQ says:

Are there any restrictions on using both HDMI outputs at the same time?

  • You can get 3D video on either HDMI1 or HDMI2, but not both at the same time.
  • When HDMI2 is active, audio on HDMI1 will be downmixed to stereo.

-Bill
post #24203 of 26595
I have oppo 93 connected to a Kuro9g through HDMI. No sinto amplifier.

Audio HDMI -> LPCM
dynamic range control -> on

Anyone know if 'dynamic range control' works with this setup? It seems it doesn't work..
post #24204 of 26595
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The FAQ says:
Are there any restrictions on using both HDMI outputs at the same time?
  • You can get 3D video on either HDMI1 or HDMI2, but not both at the same time.
  • When HDMI2 is active, audio on HDMI1 will be downmixed to stereo.
-Bill

I have Oppo 93's HDMI 1 direct to VT50 display, HDMI 2 connected to Anthem AVR for full audio capabilites (DD, Dolby TrueHD, etc). HDMI 1 is set as primary.
post #24205 of 26595
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

I thought it was interesting that all the foreign language dubs were also DD+.
What is the advantage of DD+ over DD at 640kbps using the standard 5.1 channels? I thought I had read that DD+ advantage was in supporting greater than 640kbps bitrates and/or greater than 6 channels.
AFAK, DD EX really has nothing to do with DD+. Those are DD 6.1 surround tracks with a matrixed rear channel. I seem to recall some early DD-capable receivers had a lot of problems dealing with 6.1 audio. "The Phantom Menace" was quite the debugging tool back then...

- LoopinFool
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Dolby Digital Plus can carry up to 7.1 discrete channels, as can TrueHD. The only disc I've seen 7.1 channel DD+ on is Dolby's "Sound of High Definition" demo disc.
post #24207 of 26595
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The FAQ says:
Are there any restrictions on using both HDMI outputs at the same time?
  • You can get 3D video on either HDMI1 or HDMI2, but not both at the same time.
  • When HDMI2 is active, audio on HDMI1 will be downmixed to stereo.
-Bill

thank you Bill smile.gif
It was driving me crazy trying to figure out what was going on.
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I need some help with a codec problem. I've been trying to play some mkv files but they only show up as a blue screen w/ or w/o sound. VLC plays the files just fine.
Codecs are video:

h264 - mpeg-4 avc (part 10) (avc1)

audio:

A52 Audio (aka AC3) (a52)

Anyone else encountered this problem? I saw that someone else mentioned this about a year ago, but couldn't find any resolution to the issue. Thanks for any help!
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Originally Posted by jacobugath View Post

I need some help with a codec problem. I've been trying to play some mkv files but they only show up as a blue screen w/ or w/o sound. VLC plays the files just fine.
Codecs are video:
h264 - mpeg-4 avc (part 10) (avc1)
audio:
A52 Audio (aka AC3) (a52)
Anyone else encountered this problem? I saw that someone else mentioned this about a year ago, but couldn't find any resolution to the issue. Thanks for any help!

Depending on which firmware version you have, the Oppo might not like header compression on the mkv: try remuxing the mkv with header compression off using mkvtoolnix.

H264 has flexible encoding parameters, not all of which can be supported by the Oppo decoder: VLC and other PC based decoders will generally handle a lot more encoding variation than the Oppo. Either locate a more standard encoded version of the material or re-encode yourself to a supported standard.
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Originally Posted by LoopinFool View Post

AFAK, DD EX really has nothing to do with DD+. Those are DD 6.1 surround tracks with a matrixed rear channel. I seem to recall some early DD-capable receivers had a lot of problems dealing with 6.1 audio. "The Phantom Menace" was quite the debugging tool back then...
- LoopinFool

It looks like you are correct: I have been interpreting EX as "extensions" or an acronym for DD+, when DD+ would actually be identified as E-AC3.

It's surprising receivers have an issue with DD EX 5.1 as it's a standard discrete channel arrangement, just with a flag identifying a matrixed rear channel: at worst it would be viewed as a plain 5.1
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