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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

They all have the same .avi extension?

There is a free utility called "mediainfo" which will give stats on the container and a/v codecs. You might compare the results for the good vs problem files.

-Bill
Found a prg called VLC & it's free. Installing it now. Has the ability to view codecs. Thanks for your suggestion.
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Originally Posted by steve6933 View Post

rworne: How did you get the IP protocol spec? I haven't been able to find it anywhere. Could you please post it or send it to me?
Ask OPPO for them. They are not finalized so OPPO offers no support in getting the codes to work, but they can send you the preliminary documentation if you want to start working on your own IP Control commands.
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Originally Posted by Geezer View Post

I was given 3 files, all in AVI format. One of the files doesn't show in my network list. I can play the other 2 but can't see the third. Tried a usb stick, same results. I know this format is a container, but is there some way to see the details of the file? My goal is to re encoded it but don't know where to start. I have the old ISO fw.

I compared one good file against the bad one. The only real difference I see is in the frame rate. The bad one reports 29.97, good one 23.976
Both are MPEG-4 720x400

Any ideas? Going to try to convert it to another format. Strange thing is it plays on my computer via the VLC player I just installed.
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Originally Posted by Geezer View Post


I compared one good file against the bad one. The only real difference I see is in the frame rate. The bad one reports 29.97, good one 23.976
Both are MPEG-4 720x400

Any ideas? Going to try to convert it to another format. Strange thing is it plays on my computer via the VLC player I just installed.

And the bad one doesn't even show up in the player browser? That's odd.

Converting it to mkv with mkvmerge is what I would try.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by steve6933 View Post

rworne: How did you get the IP protocol spec? I haven't been able to find it anywhere. Could you please post it or send it to me?

Send me an email via my support email or support link asking for it and I'll forward it to you.
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Checked my Dredd 3D disc after hearing about problems, and got the green line on that too (I have HDMI 1 going to the TV and 2 going to the receiver). Got it to play in 3D after turning off Deep Color for HDMI 2, though I don't know if that was really what caused the problem or not. Something weird is up with this disc, as when skipping chapters the 3D mode stays on but the picture is clearly 2D, then starting the movie over again puts it back in 3D. Won't have time to watch the whole movie for a while.

Yes, the frame-dropping is one of those "blink and you'll miss it" deals. It seems to do it randomly, if you catch it and re-play that part of the disc it will appear fine the second time.
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I've searched like crazy and can't find a final answer to my question. Does the 93 play back 3D blu-ray mkv files ripped from makemkv?

What program (for mac), if not makemkv, definitely works at creating 3d files the 93 can read?
Edited by tallnick - 1/14/13 at 12:13am
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Having an issue with my 93. On both Blu-ray and standard DVD, the video is stuttering but the audio is not. Stuttering may not be the best description. It kind of freezes the speeds up to re-sync with the audio. That is the best way I can describe it. I tried my other Blu-ray player (Panansonic BD-85) to make sure it wasn't my projector. The Panansonic had no issues with the discs. I did a factory reset. I dumped the persistent memory and unplugged the unit. Any thoughts? I was just reading about the frame dropping issues but that appeared to be isolated to a particular disc. I will probably call Oppo this evening as the unit is under warranty still. I hope nothing is wrong. This unpconverts so much better than the Panansonic.
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Originally Posted by kkpro View Post

Having an issue with my 93. On both Blu-ray and standard DVD, the video is stuttering but the audio is not. Stuttering may not be the best description. It kind of freezes the speeds up to re-sync with the audio. That is the best way I can describe it. I tried my other Blu-ray player (Panansonic BD-85) to make sure it wasn't my projector. The Panansonic had no issues with the discs. I did a factory reset. I dumped the persistent memory and unplugged the unit. Any thoughts? I was just reading about the frame dropping issues but that appeared to be isolated to a particular disc. I will probably call Oppo this evening as the unit is under warranty still. I hope nothing is wrong. This unpconverts so much better than the Panansonic.

The odds are excellent this is a "motion smoothing" algorithm in your Projector which is getting overly aggressive.

Check your Projector for settings related to motion smoothing and see if you can turn all that off.

Such settings are likely remembered per-input on your projector, and probably also vary according to the video data format being sent to the projector (e.g., 1080p/24 vs. 1080p/60). So if you did the Panasonic test using a different input on the projector -- or with the Panasonic sending a different video format -- your negative result there may not be telling you what you think.
--Bob
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My projector is a JVC RS-45. The smooth motions is turned off. I can't stand the looks. I did try changing to1080P/60 and source direct. This just started happening several days ago.
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Originally Posted by kkpro View Post

My projector is a JVC RS-45. The smooth motions is turned off. I can't stand the looks. I did try changing to1080P/60 and source direct. This just started happening several days ago.

Triple check your settings in the PJ. Often when you enable one thing in a display it will default other settings to some other value than you had originally set. For instance, some "movie mode" setting might also turn on "smoothing".
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You are correct. The JVC does have presets with smoothing turned on. I did recheck and the setting is turned off. The glitches seem random though, not constant.
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Called Oppo and explained the problems. They issued a RMA and wanted to look at it themselves. It seems like half my equipment needs servicing.
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Originally Posted by gillfcb View Post

Wait a minute, the BDP-93 does not play SD-DVD's @ 24P, but the BDP-83 does? I'm just about to drop the hammer as well on a "region free" 93, but I would like to have this feature. The Panasonic BDT-100/107 has this feature, but you have to enable it every time a new DVD is inserted. Kinda a PITA.....but nice none the less..1.gif

DVD 24p Conversion was added to the BDP-93 firmware after the player first shipped. As long as your 93 has been updated to current firmware you have this feature available.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

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Originally Posted by gillfcb View Post

Wait a minute, the BDP-93 does not play SD-DVD's @ 24P, but the BDP-83 does? I'm just about to drop the hammer as well on a "region free" 93, but I would like to have this feature. The Panasonic BDT-100/107 has this feature, but you have to enable it every time a new DVD is inserted. Kinda a PITA.....but nice none the less..1.gif

DVD 24p Conversion was added to the BDP-93 firmware after the player first shipped. As long as your 93 has been updated to current firmware you have this feature available.
--Bob
Not that it's of much use with DVD transfers. wink.gif
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^ Actually I find it works surprisingly well -- in fact TOO well in some cases where folks may be tempted to leave it on even for video-rate DVD content were conversion can't possibly work.

That is, the visible appearance of failed conversion (frame drop stutter) is less obvious in the 93 than the image tearing that was typical when conversion wasn't working in the 83.

So if you've got an otherwise convertible DVD movie that has occasional patches of problem cadence where the conversion can't work, the algorithm in the 93/95/103/105 passes through those bad patches well enough that you might not notice the stutter and decide to turn conversion off. That was never the case with the 83. The image tearing at conversion failure points was impossible to ignore.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by gillfcb View Post

Wait a minute, the BDP-93 does not play SD-DVD's @ 24P, but the BDP-83 does?

Both players can do it, however the Oppo 93 only does it with post-ISO firmware, so it is one of those times where you have to decide whether ISO capability or DVD 24p playback is most useful to you.
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Firmware Rollback:
In my opinion, the above post is a really good example of where we should have the ability to play DVD 24p or play our ISO files.

Since the '93/'95 is 'out of print', so to speak, and, IMHO, I never did believe that Netflix controlled/stipulated (against) firmware rollback (but if in fact they did, I stand corrected). And, as posted much earlier in this thread, since Netfilix will not provide/help/whatever the latest Netflix streaming capabilities to the '93, '95 for 'sercurity' reasons, why would they now care if we could rollback the firmware?

I truely believe there is an easy way to rollback the firmware to any version, without the popular 'region free mod' installed. I'm am sure the Beta testers have had this capability all along.

Kind Regards to all. Happy new Year.
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Someone needs to figure out how to hack the firmware so we can have both all the updates as well as ISO support.
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...and, and -- a pony!

Since any such firmware would, perforce, be "unofficial" firmware, it is likely AVS would ask that discussion be taken to Private Message or to another forum entirely.
--Bob
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^ Correct
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I know the alterations to the Qdeo firmware that gave it better 1080i video handling and 24p DVD playback are the cause of the glitch I found.
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

I know the alterations to the Qdeo firmware that gave it better 1080i video handling and 24p DVD playback are the cause of the glitch I found.

there is a well known 24P bug with onkyo receiver. its possible that could be the problem as well.

Jacob
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But why would the 24p issue go away on Source Direct then?
Edited by Fanboyz - 1/15/13 at 9:14pm
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

But why would the 24p issue go away on Source Direct then?

are you going through the tv or the receiver?

Jacob
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Receiver , but there is no issue on Source Direct.
The Onkyo issue your mentioning only pertains to ones that use DCDI chips for scaling, like the 608.
That is not the issue I found.
If my receiver was the culprit Source Direct 24p would also have the problem.
It isn't.


The issue that I and others witnessed is only when 1080/24p blu ray goes through the Qdeo chip.
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

Receiver , but there is no issue on Source Direct.
The Onkyo issue your mentioning only pertains to ones that use DCDI chips for scaling, like the 608.
That is not the issue I found.
If my receiver was the culprit Source Direct 24p would also have the problem.
It isn't.


The issue that I and others witnessed is only when 1080/24p blu ray goes through the Qdeo chip.

you can turn off the 24P bug on the receiver with turning off the OSD of the receiver. that is what I do. I go through the tv and HDMI 2 is hooked to the receiver.

Jacob
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Yes.
But that is not my issue.
Onkyo 906 uses an HQV chip, and I have all processing turned off on the Blu Ray input.

My issue is within the player's internal scaler.
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

Yes.
But that is not my issue.
Onkyo 906 uses an HQV chip, and I have all processing turned off on the Blu Ray input.

My issue is within the player's internal scaler.

Do you have your AVR "1.1 Monitor Output" set to "Through" or "Source"?

The latter allows "per input" setting of the Resolution in the "4.4 Picture Adjust" area. Is there a"Direct" option here?

And does the secret menu for your AVR work? The Video Skip which is by pressing VCR and Return on the AVR simultaneously? In fact, I would try this first.

I know you think you have ruled out the AVR, by using Source Direct, but it maybe the combination of settings that are wrong.
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post


Do you have your AVR "1.1 Monitor Output" set to "Through" or "Source"?

The latter allows "per input" setting of the Resolution in the "4.4 Picture Adjust" area. Is there a"Direct" option here?

And does the secret menu for your AVR work? The Video Skip which is by pressing VCR and Return on the AVR simultaneously? In fact, I would try this first.

I know you think you have ruled out the AVR, by using Source Direct, but it maybe the combination of settings that are wrong.

agreed.

Jacob
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