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Originally Posted by scirica View Post


Just ordered! This was on my SA-CD.net wish list; Now it's on my library list. Thanks!
I ordered mine 10 minutes before you did. They had 6 left, now they have one.

I know this is again OT but does anyone know how to access Amazon's SACD "lowest price history" page? When I clicked on the link provided for HC, it now comes up with the price history and yeah, this looks to be the lowest HC has ever been priced.

I need to build my SACD collection but not at the outlandish prices most of them fetch.
post #24422 of 26644
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Do this: In the OPPO set resolution 1080p, and 1080p/24 OFF. Play the disc and press the Info button on the OPPO remote to bring up the on-screen display. The bottom line of the Info display will show the video format coming off the disc, as you've already spotted. Now press either Up or Down Arrow and you'll see the bottom line of the on-screen display changes to show what the OPPO is sending as OUTPUT on each HDMI cable. It should say that it is sending 1080p/60 video output.

I have connected the Oppo direct to the TV, to take the AVR out of the equation and set 1080p24 OFF and resolution 1080p.

Still the same problem.

Info button shows 29.979Hz. Up or Down arrow just displays a red circle with line through it. Page Up or Down does nothing. There are no other up or down arrows I can find on the remote.

TV indicates 1080p received.

1080i output still the same problem, but TV indicates 1080i received.

Source Direct output still the same problem: TV indicates 1080i received.

Added DVDO Edge between Oppo and TV, set to output 1080p24 and with PreP set to auto.

1080p, 1080i and Source Direct on Oppo all show worse problem, with tearing on screen as well; TV indicates 1080p24 received: I'm shattered as I thought at least the Edge would produce a better result through IVTC.

Changed Edge to output 1080p60 and Oppo to Source Direct: same problem as Oppo 1080p direct to TV, so problem does not appear to be due to Oppo deinterlacing.

Maybe it's the TV, but I get better results on a smaller version of the same model TV (sitting closer) with the same settings, but played via PC.

I'm at a loss as to what is going on, but I don't think it is the Oppo per se. Perhaps this is just how film based pulldown interlaced 1080i60 material looks when deinterlaced to 1080p60 via chip based processors.

It does seem bizarre that this title was authored as 1080i60 when the source would have to be 24fps film: perhaps they used an unusual cadence that the usual processors have difficulty with.
post #24423 of 26644
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

Maybe it's the TV, but I get better results on a smaller version of the same model TV (sitting closer) with the same settings, but played via PC.
I haven't been following this particular discussion too closely, but is it possible to try the Oppo connected to your smaller TV to see what happens? Have you gone through the TV settings and made sure that any of the screwy processing that lots of TV's have is turned off?
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It does seem bizarre that this title was authored as 1080i60 when the source would have to be 24fps film: perhaps they used an unusual cadence that the usual processors have difficulty with.
Stranger things have probably happened.
post #24424 of 26644
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

Yeah.

It was an easy mistake though.
In my experience, very few who are not new comers to AVS have made it.
post #24425 of 26644
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Do this: In the OPPO set resolution 1080p, and 1080p/24 OFF. Play the disc and press the Info button on the OPPO remote to bring up the on-screen display. The bottom line of the Info display will show the video format coming off the disc, as you've already spotted. Now press either Up or Down Arrow and you'll see the bottom line of the on-screen display changes to show what the OPPO is sending as OUTPUT on each HDMI cable. It should say that it is sending 1080p/60 video output.

I have connected the Oppo direct to the TV, to take the AVR out of the equation and set 1080p24 OFF and resolution 1080p.

Still the same problem.

Info button shows 29.979Hz. Up or Down arrow just displays a red circle with line through it. Page Up or Down does nothing. There are no other up or down arrows I can find on the remote.

TV indicates 1080p received.

1080i output still the same problem, but TV indicates 1080i received.

Source Direct output still the same problem: TV indicates 1080i received.

Added DVDO Edge between Oppo and TV, set to output 1080p24 and with PreP set to auto.

1080p, 1080i and Source Direct on Oppo all show worse problem, with tearing on screen as well; TV indicates 1080p24 received: I'm shattered as I thought at least the Edge would produce a better result through IVTC.

Changed Edge to output 1080p60 and Oppo to Source Direct: same problem as Oppo 1080p direct to TV, so problem does not appear to be due to Oppo deinterlacing.

Maybe it's the TV, but I get better results on a smaller version of the same model TV (sitting closer) with the same settings, but played via PC.

I'm at a loss as to what is going on, but I don't think it is the Oppo per se. Perhaps this is just how film based pulldown interlaced 1080i60 material looks when deinterlaced to 1080p60 via chip based processors.

It does seem bizarre that this title was authored as 1080i60 when the source would have to be 24fps film: perhaps they used an unusual cadence that the usual processors have difficulty with.

My mistake on the Page Up/Down buttons. That trick was added to the 103/105. It's not available in the 93.

Something is trying to extract the /24 stream from that 1080i/60 content and is making a mess of it. That's almost certainly because the transfer which produced the 1080i/60 content on disc has thoroughly futzed up the telecine. There may very well BE no uniform cadence.

The OPPO never tries to extract /24 from 1080i/60 content. It would appear your TV is doing this. That Cinema Smooth option you mentioned a couple posts back would seem to be the most likely culprit.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

I haven't been following this particular discussion too closely, but is it possible to try the Oppo connected to your smaller TV to see what happens? Have you gone through the TV settings and made sure that any of the screwy processing that lots of TV's have is turned off?

It's not easy to relocate equipment and in any case the two TVs are identical (same menus and settings) except in terms of screen size.

The Sony EX series only have "Cinema Drive" (probably deinterlacing and IVTC control but info is sparse on what this does) and "Trumotion" (frame interpolation) that might affect the appearance in this way, however I run with Cinema Drive off normally anyway and Trumotion doesn't make much difference to the problem.
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

My mistake on the Page Up/Down buttons. That trick was added to the 103/105. It's not available in the 93.

Something is trying to extract the /24 stream from that 1080i/60 content and is making a mess of it. That's almost certainly because the transfer which produced the 1080i/60 content on disc has thoroughly futzed up the telecine. There may very well BE no uniform cadence.

The OPPO never tries to extract /24 from 1080i/60 content. It would appear your TV is doing this. That Cinema Smooth option you mentioned a couple posts back would seem to be the most likely culprit.

As mentioned above, it is not Cinema Drive because I keep that off. I guess it is remotely possible the TV insists on still doing some processing that can't be turned off.

However, the fact that the respected DVDO Edge can't deal with this suggests you may be correct in an unusual cadence in the source.

The effect on the larger TV is quite disconcerting as it almost looks like the image jumps backwards periodically (but maybe that is just repeated frames). Even with no motion, it pains the eyes somehow.

I think I will have to put this down to a strange encode and if I get the chance to watch it again, it will be via PC which was the smoothest.

If anyone has a link to a list of 1080i60 film source titles, perhaps I can try something different to compare and see if Sleepy Hollow is just an isolated case.
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^ Select "Resolution" 1080i in the set of pull downs above this chart, then click on "Filter":

http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/TechStats.php

My 1080i Blu-ray discs do not exhibit the problem you are seeing. But they are all, originally /60 source material, and nothing in my video chain attempts to extract /24 from 1080i/60 content.

This list is not complete, particularly for overseas titles. For example your Japanese release of "Sleepy Hollow" is not listed.
--Bob
post #24428 of 26644
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Select "Resolution" 1080i in the set of pull downs above this chart, then click on "Filter":

http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/TechStats.php

My 1080i Blu-ray discs do not exhibit the problem you are seeing. But they are all, originally /60 source material, and nothing in my video chain attempts to extract /24 from 1080i/60 content.

This list is not complete, particularly for overseas titles. For example your Japanese release of "Sleepy Hollow" is not listed.
--Bob

Thanks for the link to the list: unfortunately I do not have any 1080i titles from that list that might be film source.

I think the problem might only be apparent for 24fps film source material that has been converted to 60i using pulldown, which would probably be quite rare as I can see no point in actually encoding a Bluray like that when direct 24p is available. The Japanese Sleepy Hollow happens to be one of those baffling oddities, which is really annoying because otherwise it is the best AV quality of the Sleepy Hollow releases to date IIRC.

Video source at 60i or 50i obviously would have no issues because there is no uneven cadence.

Sigh. I will just have to accept that 60i pulldown titles likely won't look good on my HT, so I will leave the issue there as it is not an Oppo problem (since Oppo doesn't do IVTC).
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post


Thanks for the link to the list: unfortunately I do not have any 1080i titles from that list that might be film source.

I think the problem might only be apparent for 24fps film source material that has been converted to 60i using pulldown, which would probably be quite rare as I can see no point in actually encoding a Bluray like that when direct 24p is available. The Japanese Sleepy Hollow happens to be one of those baffling oddities, which is really annoying because otherwise it is the best AV quality of the Sleepy Hollow releases to date IIRC.

Video source at 60i or 50i obviously would have no issues because there is no uneven cadence.

Sigh. I will just have to accept that 60i pulldown titles likely won't look good on my HT, so I will leave the issue there as it is not an Oppo problem (since Oppo doesn't do IVTC).

TIME BANDITS is film sourced and 1080i60. No problems here.

-Bill
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My guess is he unwittingly has a 3/2 sequence extractor on his TV engaged.

Sony TVs have cinemotion which on some modes tried to do 24p from 1080p signals.
My guess is that's his problem.
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

My guess is he unwittingly has a 3/2 sequence extractor on his TV engaged.

Sony TVs have cinemotion which on some modes tried to do 24p from 1080p signals.
My guess is that's his problem.

Your guess is wrong.

I have already disabled both Cinema Drive (deinterlacing and IVTC?) and Trumotion (frame interpolation) in the TV without making any difference. There are no other video processing settings that I can find that might influence this situation.

Maybe I'm just hyper-sensitive to 3:2 pulldown, since I am used to smooth 50i in PAL land and now smooth 24p Bluray.

In any case it isn't an Oppo problem, so I won't be pursuing it further here.
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

TIME BANDITS is film sourced and 1080i60. No problems here.

Whatever possessed them to encode a film as 60i, or are these instances simply rehashed 1080i HDTV masters because they couldn't be bothered to re-scan the film elements at 24fps?
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^ Bingo. Sometimes the distribution rights follow a strange path to disc.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by rworne View Post

Send me an email via my support email or support link asking for it and I'll forward it to you.

I previously sent you an email (two actually), but I'm not sure if it was caught as spam or if I even have the right email address.
Could you point me in the right direction as where you want me to send my request?

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post

OT I know, but I know there are some people around here who will care, The Eagles Hotel California SACD is $38 right now at Amazon. LINK Usually its $54 and hasnt been that low since 2011 LINK
Sorry guys, I just checked the Amazon link and the SACD is now out of stock, although it says you can pre-order for the next shipment at the same price. Thanks for the OP's heads-up on this!biggrin.gif
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yes, THANKS for the heads up on this. I have owned this SACD for several years now, but for $38, I ordered another copy as a backup. Never know when these SACD's will go out of print....
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Hi to every one,
does OPPO 93 EU support new video format MK3D ? Its very interesting video format MKV with 3D MVC.

thanks
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Actually this is the "back in print" Japanese one. The Japanese are remaking many of the previously OOP SACD and even converting the old DVD-A masters of many OOP DVD-As to SACD and re-releasing them.
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Really impressed with Oppo service. Sent the player last week (they supplied the UPS to and from). They kept me updated by e-mail the whole step of the way. Average turn-around is 1-2 days. Mine was 1 day. I have to say very satisfied. It will keep me buying their product. Not too many companies with this level of service.
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No one know about mk3d format?
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^ Bill has been compiling regular test results on file formats for his FAQ, but I don't believe he's set up to test 3D. That format is not currently listed as either supported or known to be not supported in either the FAQ for the 93/95 or the FAQ for the 103/105.

If you can provide a link to a short sample file, perhaps someone with a 3D setup can download and try it.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Bill has been compiling regular test results on file formats for his FAQ, but I don't believe he's set up to test 3D. That format is not currently listed as either supported or known to be not supported in either the FAQ for the 93/95 or the FAQ for the 103/105.

If you can provide a link to a short sample file, perhaps someone with a 3D setup can download and try it.
--Bob

I tried it on my 103. It starts the percentage counter as it does with every video file then it starts a second time. When it is finished it just displays blank screen. Audio portion of the MKV is played as normal.
This is for the MVC 3D inside the MKV container. MKV created by standard MakeMKV options for 3D blu-rays.
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I upload some sample here http://turbobit.net/s57ac880fqtc.html . This video was created by MakeMKV and tested his function on egreat with RTD1186 chip. I dind recognize eny diference with compare to original 3D ISO.
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Originally Posted by kkpro View Post

Really impressed with Oppo service. Sent the player last week (they supplied the UPS to and from). They kept me updated by e-mail the whole step of the way. Average turn-around is 1-2 days. Mine was 1 day. I have to say very satisfied. It will keep me buying their product. Not too many companies with this level of service.

I have seen Oppo go to extremes, actually getting into a discussion with a person I had an issue with regarding the analog out ports on the 93. He did not belive me that the 93 out put high rez via analog. After I told him that was at one time the only method of obtaining HR. They explained it in detail using tech terms, and he still refused to accept it. Anyway, it was the intent that I thought was great. IF only other companies took lesson, we would all be happy consumers. I will never ever own another BD player other than Oppo.
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Originally Posted by riddle View Post

I upload some sample here http://turbobit.net/s57ac880fqtc.html . This video was created by MakeMKV and tested his function on egreat with RTD1186 chip. I dind recognize eny diference with compare to original 3D ISO.

The file seems to be password protected.
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sorryyyy

http://turbobit.net/k108nlvs17bf.html

with no password
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Originally Posted by riddle View Post

sorryyyy

http://turbobit.net/k108nlvs17bf.html

with no password

Ok got the file.
It did not finish loading it just froze my 103. Will have to get my 93 out of the box to see what it does.
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I'm starting to notice that when playing back mkv, some show an extreme level of frame drop/insertion (like 2 per second), making the material incredibly juddery.

If I stop playback and then play again without going back to the playlist, all is fine and it's smooth.

It's like the Oppo is becoming confused about refresh rates when beginning playback of some material and is performing an extreme standards conversion eg 30fps->24fps by dropping frames.

The material is predominantly 25fps or 23.976fps and I always have the Oppo set to 1080p for mkv viewing with a global Multi instead of PAL or NTSC.

Anyone experienced this before and know what might be going wrong?

It seems to be getting worse, but at least I know how to workaround it.
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List from mediainfo on another MK3D:
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Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Stereo High@L4.1 / High@L4.1
MultiView_Count : 2
Format settings, CABAC : Ano
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frame
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 36mn
Bit rate : 43,3 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 40,0 Mbps
Width : 1 920pixely
Height : 1 080pixely
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23,976 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.871
Stream size : 29,3 GiB (93%)
Language : English
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I have a Denon 4311ci receiver and Oppo BDP-93 Blu-Ray player in a 7.1 setup. Having over 500 Cd's and 100's of Blu-Rays and DVD's is becoming cumbersome and I am looking to start burning these media to either a 3TB External Hard drive or a network server. Being new at this I have a few questions and would appreciate any input.

1) What software is best to burn the discs to hard drives?
2) What is difference between using a regular External drive vs a media server? I plan on just hooking up the External HDD via usb to either the receiver or the blu-ray player, dont think streaming thru wifi is important to me
3) What device is best to use for playback of the files? The Denon receiver or the Oppo?

Thanks again.
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