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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Are you sure the hub is working in the first place? You may just have a dud hub, or perhaps a faulty power brick feeding it power.

I believe we had reports here of problems from one type of hub that was trying to be clever and thus presenting itself to the player as being able to handle all sorts of USB device types the player can't handle (like USB keyboards). Are their any settings on the hub to dumb it down?
--Bob

Yes, it`s working and i did check the power supply but no problem there.

There are no settings on the hub that i have found.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I use a four port powered Belkin (~$18.00) hub with powered external 2T Seagate HD drives. I've had anywhere from one to four drives connected at the same time. Our OPPO isn't connected to the Internet, but I don't think that should be a problem. Will the OPPO recognize your drive when it's directly connected? What drives are you using? Which USB port on the OPPO are you using?

Yes, the Oppo recogonizes my drive when it`s directly connected to the drive so the problem is obviously with the hub somehow. My drive is a Seagate Expansion Desktop 2TB.

I`m using the back port on the Oppo and this is also the port i want to use for the hub/drive.

I did send an e-mail to Oppo support asking them if they are aware of some known issue with this specific hub or brand. Still waiting for a response.
post #24602 of 26592
Ok, now i`m a little confused. Just got this reply from Oppo support regarding my hub issue,

Dear xxxx

It is not possible to use a hub only one USB device for each input is supported, you can damage the player if connecting hub and splitters.

Best Regards
Bjorn
OPPO European Support Engineer


Is this really true? I had no idea about this..
post #24603 of 26592
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Originally Posted by BakeApples View Post

Ok, now i`m a little confused. Just got this reply from Oppo support regarding my hub issue,

Dear xxxx

It is not possible to use a hub only one USB device for each input is supported, you can damage the player if connecting hub and splitters.

Best Regards
Bjorn
OPPO European Support Engineer


Is this really true? I had no idea about this..
You are using the same HDD that I use and connecting it the same way except for the fact that the hub is a different brand.

The only difference that I can detect is that you have a European version of the OPPO 93 and a very strange message from OPPO support. Maybe Bob can explain that message from OPPO support.
post #24604 of 26592
^ I've just asked through Beta Test Club, but this limitation is news to me too. I don't use a hub, so this is not something I've tracked closely.
--Bob
post #24605 of 26592
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Originally Posted by BakeApples View Post

Ok, now i`m a little confused. Just got this reply from Oppo support regarding my hub issue,

Dear xxxx

It is not possible to use a hub only one USB device for each input is supported, you can damage the player if connecting hub and splitters.

Best Regards
Bjorn
OPPO European Support Engineer


Is this really true? I had no idea about this..

I'll wager the support person had confused eSATA and USB.

Turn your player off. Connect the hub and HDD to the rear USB port, then turn on the HDD and finally the player. If that doesn't work then you may have a hub that doesn't play nice. I've seen that "not supported" error in the past with a hub connected, but it resolved on its own. Been using a Belkin powered USB hub for a long time with no issues.

Edit to add: If that hub has ports on the side plus ports on the top, try using one or the other (top or side) to see if one works and the other doesn't.
post #24606 of 26592
Quick note: When I grab cover art through MP3tag, it saves the file as "folder.jpg" - not the "cover.jpg" name - so I decided to do a test.

I ripped two different CDs that I hadn't yet gotten around to, and found cover art for each, which I saved into the same folders as the FLACs, but I didn't embed the cover art into any of the tracks.

For one CD I left the name of the cover art file as the default "folder.jpg" and for the other I saved it as "cover.jpg.'

It made no difference to Winamp. When playing a track from either album - without even adding it to Winamp's library - the cover art window showed the album cover regardless of the filename - having a ".jpg" extension and being in the same folder as the FLAC file was good enough for Winamp.

It also made no difference to the BDP-93, but not in a good way: the Oppo didn't find the art under either name.

So I'm back to embedding the cover in each track - which isn't a big deal in terms of disk space, given that a CD track ripped to FLAC is typically in the tens of thousands of kilobytes (i.e., tens of megabytes), and the typical cover art file is around 50k, adding 1/2% or less to the file's size.

So it takes five to ten seconds for MP3tag to embed the art in all of an album's tracks. It's not that big a deal, and makes the files self-contained and compatible.
post #24607 of 26592
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

Quick note: When I grab cover art through MP3tag, it saves the file as "folder.jpg" - not the "cover.jpg" name
Yes, many/most Windows media player programs will handle either folder.jpg or cover.jpg, or possibly even other variations:

front.jpg
cover.jpg
%filename%.jpg
%album%.jpg
folder.jpg

But my Cowon J3 (PMP) does not support folder.jpg, so in looking for a standard that would work for me when playing music on either PC or J3 I decided to go with the universally accepted cover.jpg.

I'm honestly quite surprised that the Oppo doesn't support external album art files in "album folders", and specifically not cover.jpg at the very least. This is a very very common organizational technique for music collections.
post #24608 of 26592
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I use a four port powered Belkin (~$18.00) hub with powered external 2T Seagate HD drives. I've had anywhere from one to four drives connected at the same time. Our OPPO isn't connected to the Internet, but I don't think that should be a problem. Will the OPPO recognize your drive when it's directly connected? What drives are you using? Which USB port on the OPPO are you using?

I'm curious as to what model your Belkin hub is? I'm looking to buy one and have been looking at the Belkin 4 port powered hub (model F5U234v1) but don't know if it'll work or not.
post #24609 of 26592
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

It also made no difference to the BDP-93, but not in a good way: the Oppo didn't find the art under either name.
Just to add one more data point to this item... the BDP-103 also does not recognize cover.jpg for album art.

I find this quite remarkable actually, since most/all little PMP's are programmed to understand the cover.jpg approach to album art, as well as virtually all Windows-based media player programs. Don't know why it wouldn't have even occurred to the programmers at Oppo.
post #24610 of 26592
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Originally Posted by Kincaid View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I use a four port powered Belkin (~$18.00) hub with powered external 2T Seagate HD drives. I've had anywhere from one to four drives connected at the same time. Our OPPO isn't connected to the Internet, but I don't think that should be a problem. Will the OPPO recognize your drive when it's directly connected? What drives are you using? Which USB port on the OPPO are you using?

I'm curious as to what model your Belkin hub is? I'm looking to buy one and have been looking at the Belkin 4 port powered hub (model F5U234v1) but don't know if it'll work or not.
The Belkin powered four port Ver. 2.0 hub that I have is a F4U027. It only has two reviews at Amazon and it seems to have failed for those two owners. My assumption is that people don't bother to write a review for a USB hub that works. I've had ours for almost two years and it's been fine. Two of my drive are USB 3.0. I've connected one of those to the hub and it worked. I've also connected the same drive to my computer's 3.0 port and copied from a USB 2.0 drive through the Belkin hub to the USB 3.0 drive at 27 MB/second. Doing a copy between the same two drives when they are both connected to the hub was slower at 18 MB/second.

http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F4U027TT-Premium-Port-USB/dp/B0044F63TY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360833481&sr=8-1&keywords=Belkin+F4U027
post #24611 of 26592
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

The Belkin powered four port Ver. 2.0 hub that I have is a F4U027. It only has two reviews at Amazon and it seems to have failed for those two owners. My assumption is that people don't bother to write a review for a USB hub that works. I've had ours for almost two years and it's been fine. Two of my drive are USB 3.0. I've connected one of those to the hub and it worked. I've also connected the same drive to my computer's 3.0 port and copied from a USB 2.0 drive through the Belkin hub to the USB 3.0 drive at 27 MB/second. Doing a copy between the same two drives when they are both connected to the hub was slower at 18 MB/second.

http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F4U027TT-Premium-Port-USB/dp/B0044F63TY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360833481&sr=8-1&keywords=Belkin+F4U027

Thanks for the information. It's much appreciated! smile.gif
post #24612 of 26592
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Just to add one more data point to this item... the BDP-103 also does not recognize cover.jpg for album art.

I find this quite remarkable actually, since most/all little PMP's are programmed to understand the cover.jpg approach to album art, as well as virtually all Windows-based media player programs. Don't know why it wouldn't have even occurred to the programmers at Oppo.
It might be something that Mediatek would need to take care of - I'm not sure if this is something Oppo has control over or not. You could always send them an inquiry and see what they have to say...
post #24613 of 26592
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

The Belkin powered four port Ver. 2.0 hub that I have is a F4U027. It only has two reviews at Amazon and it seems to have failed for those two owners. My assumption is that people don't bother to write a review for a USB hub that works. I've had ours for almost two years and it's been fine. Two of my drive are USB 3.0. I've connected one of those to the hub and it worked. I've also connected the same drive to my computer's 3.0 port and copied from a USB 2.0 drive through the Belkin hub to the USB 3.0 drive at 27 MB/second. Doing a copy between the same two drives when they are both connected to the hub was slower at 18 MB/second.

http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F4U027TT-Premium-Port-USB/dp/B0044F63TY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360833481&sr=8-1&keywords=Belkin+F4U027

Unfortunately for me, Amazon sellers won't accept international orders for this item and after a quick google search i found that it's sold out everywhere.

Do you know of any store that sells this hub and accept international orders?
post #24614 of 26592
Belkin sells a plethora of various 4-port USB-2 hubs. I use the F5U304 with no issues.

It shouldn't be difficult to come up with something that works, just be sure its actually rated for USB-2, as there are still USB-1 hubs being sold.
post #24615 of 26592
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Originally Posted by Kincaid View Post


Thanks for the information. It's much appreciated! smile.gif
You're welcome.
post #24616 of 26592
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Originally Posted by BakeApples View Post

Unfortunately for me, Amazon sellers won't accept international orders for this item and after a quick google search i found that it's sold out everywhere.

Do you know of any store that sells this hub and accept international orders?
As rdgrimes says, any four port, powered version 2.0 hub should work. Here it's possible to buy such items and take them back it they don't work.
post #24617 of 26592
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

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Originally Posted by BakeApples View Post

Ok, now i`m a little confused. Just got this reply from Oppo support regarding my hub issue,

Dear xxxx

It is not possible to use a hub only one USB device for each input is supported, you can damage the player if connecting hub and splitters.

Best Regards
Bjorn
OPPO European Support Engineer


Is this really true? I had no idea about this..
You are using the same HDD that I use and connecting it the same way except for the fact that the hub is a different brand.

The only difference that I can detect is that you have a European version of the OPPO 93 and a very strange message from OPPO support. Maybe Bob can explain that message from OPPO support.

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ I've just asked through Beta Test Club, but this limitation is news to me too. I don't use a hub, so this is not something I've tracked closely.
--Bob

Nobody in Beta Test Club has piped up with any reason to be concerned about using a powered USB hub. An unpowered hub might result in putting too much draw on the power the player can send to the socket, but that would just keep the drives from working as opposed to damaging the player.
--Bob
post #24618 of 26592
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post


Nobody in Beta Test Club has piped up with any reason to be concerned about using a powered USB hub. An unpowered hub might result in putting too much draw on the power the player can send to the socket, but that would just keep the drives from working as opposed to damaging the player.
--Bob

Thank you for clarifying this.

Will try a Belkin hub instead and see if that works better for me.
post #24619 of 26592
I use this un-powered USB 2.0 hub from BestBuy
I have 3 external Seagate 2TB USB 3.0 drives connected, + 1 BlacX Duet with 2x 2TB SATA drives plugged in making a total of 5 2TB hard drives in use at the same time
Never any problems !!
All of my drives are 3.5" powered drives.

Dynex 4 port USB Hub
post #24620 of 26592
Refurbished OPPO BDP-93 players are now listed on the OPPO Digital on-line store page:

http://www.oppodigital.com/products.asp

History shows refurbs get snapped up pretty fast, so if you are interested, don't dawdle.
--Bob
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This sucks. I would have liked to get one of these refurbs.
post #24622 of 26592
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Originally Posted by flashman03 View Post

This sucks. I would have liked to get one of these refurbs.



They sold out already?
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

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Originally Posted by flashman03 View Post

This sucks. I would have liked to get one of these refurbs.



They sold out already?

Nope... I just don't know how to use the internet. I can be stupid most of the time.
post #24624 of 26592
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Refurbished OPPO BDP-93 players are now listed on the OPPO Digital on-line store page:

http://www.oppodigital.com/products.asp

History shows refurbs get snapped up pretty fast, so if you are interested, don't dawdle.
--Bob

Unfortunately they only sell to USA customers.
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Originally Posted by flashman03 View Post

Nope... I just don't know how to use the internet. I can be stupid most of the time.



You can call them I'm sure.
post #24626 of 26592
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Originally Posted by flashman03 View Post

Nope... I just don't know how to use the internet. I can be stupid most of the time.

If you can post here, odds are you won't have any trouble placing an order on the OPPO Digital web site.

I think you can also order from them by phone if you'd prefer.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

Unfortunately they only sell to USA customers.



That's dumb of them. What country are you from?
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

Unfortunately they only sell to USA customers.



That's dumb of them. What country are you from?
As my grandmother would have said, "Oh, for Pete's sake!"

Of course, I know nothing about international trade in used players. confused.gif
post #24629 of 26592
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

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Originally Posted by flashman03 View Post

Nope... I just don't know how to use the internet. I can be stupid most of the time.

If you can post here, odds are you won't have any trouble placing an order on the OPPO Digital web site.

I think you can also order from them by phone if you'd prefer.
--Bob

I was mainly just making fun of myself for making a post before fully looking at the link and scrolling down lol smile.gif

I was hoping the price would have been a little less, I just don't know if $415 is worth it compared to a brand new 103???
post #24630 of 26592
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Originally Posted by flashman03 View Post

I was mainly just making fun of myself for making a post before fully looking at the link and scrolling down lol smile.gif

I was hoping the price would have been a little less, I just don't know if $415 is worth it compared to a brand new 103???

They are selling used for that much. Not long ago a "New in Box" 93 went for $570 on eBay. Whether it's "worth" $415 is entirely up to you, and whether you want the new stuff in the 103.
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