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post #24631 of 25282
2/15/13 at 5:11pm
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Unfortunately they only sell to USA customers.



That's dumb of them. What country are you from?
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post #24632 of 25282
2/15/13 at 6:08pm
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Unfortunately they only sell to USA customers.



That's dumb of them. What country are you from?
As my grandmother would have said, "Oh, for Pete's sake!"

Of course, I know nothing about international trade in used players. confused.gif
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post #24633 of 25282
2/16/13 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by flashman03 View Post

Nope... I just don't know how to use the internet. I can be stupid most of the time.

If you can post here, odds are you won't have any trouble placing an order on the OPPO Digital web site.

I think you can also order from them by phone if you'd prefer.
--Bob

I was mainly just making fun of myself for making a post before fully looking at the link and scrolling down lol smile.gif

I was hoping the price would have been a little less, I just don't know if $415 is worth it compared to a brand new 103???
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post #24634 of 25282
2/16/13 at 4:32pm
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I was mainly just making fun of myself for making a post before fully looking at the link and scrolling down lol smile.gif

I was hoping the price would have been a little less, I just don't know if $415 is worth it compared to a brand new 103???

They are selling used for that much. Not long ago a "New in Box" 93 went for $570 on eBay. Whether it's "worth" $415 is entirely up to you, and whether you want the new stuff in the 103.
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post #24635 of 25282
2/16/13 at 6:30pm
I'm being tempted by the non-backlit remote Oppo is offering for $8 - I've learned to navigate the 93's remote by touch, and I wish its backlighting didn't stay on so long - 'twould be nice if the "backlight" button could be used to toggle it off!

Are all the other buttons the same as on the standard backlit version that comes with the 93? It looks like it from the pictures, which are, however, rather small.

Also, does it have the dual sculpted indents on the back that help with touch navigation on the 93's remote?

-Phil
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post #24636 of 25282
2/16/13 at 6:40pm
So I'm looking to get an Oppo that can do the following:
Play 2D and 3D Blu-ray discs
Play MKVs and other movie formats
Built-in WiFi
Roku Stick (not required, but would be nice)
Region Free BD

What would be the best player for me? the 105?
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post #24637 of 25282
2/16/13 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD View Post

So I'm looking to get an Oppo that can do the following:
Play 2D and 3D Blu-ray discs
Play MKVs and other movie formats
Built-in WiFi
Roku Stick (not required, but would be nice)
Region Free BD

What would be the best player for me? the 105?

The 105 is needed only if you want an audiophile upgrade for the analog outputs.

Only the 103/105 have Roku stick support.

None of the OPPOs are region free for Blu-ray. You need to apply a hardware modification kit.

0Bill
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post #24638 of 25282
2/16/13 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

As my grandmother would have said, "Oh, for Pete's sake!"

Of course, I know nothing about international trade in used players. confused.gif



Funny!
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post #24639 of 25282
2/16/13 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The 105 is needed only if you want an audiophile upgrade for the analog outputs.

Only the 103/105 have Roku stick support.

None of the OPPOs are region free for Blu-ray. You need to apply a hardware modification kit.

0Bill



Good info, as I was unclear about what the upgrades actually were. I'm all HDMI on my 93 and happy with the results. Thanks for the post.
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post #24640 of 25282
2/17/13 at 8:24am
Hello, all... this post will be a bit off topic but I'm leaving it here for the benefit of the community.

I have a collection of 720p mkv files all encoded at 24 fps. I found that some of them would output at 1080p/24 (correct) and some of them would output at 1080p/60 (incorrect). This is regardless of the output resolution chosen on the player... I could set it to auto, 1080p, source direct... I could force 24p output, nothing would fix the problem. If I set the output to source direct, the player would output 720p/60.

Turns out that the pixel height as defined in the mkv file influences this behavior. Files set to 1280 x 720 will output at 60 fps... files with the pixel height set to anything other than 720 (like 1280 x 688) will output at 24 fps. This appears to be a bug to me, but using mkvpropedit to set the pixel height to 719 on these files makes the player 24 fps as desired.

Here's an example command:
mkvpropedit video.mkv --edit track:X --set pixel-height=719

... where track:X is the track identified with the video content. This is usually track 1 but I suppose this could vary.

Hope this helps someone...
Ed
Edited by bingo1105 - 2/17/13 at 8:45am
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post #24641 of 25282
2/17/13 at 9:31am
Originally Posted by BakeApples

Ok, now i`m a little confused. Just got this reply from Oppo support regarding my hub issue,

Dear xxxx

It is not possible to use a hub only one USB device for each input is supported, you can damage the player if connecting hub and splitters.

Best Regards
Bjorn
OPPO European Support Engineer

Is this really true? I had no idea about this.
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I'll wager the support person had confused eSATA and USB.

Turn your player off. Connect the hub and HDD to the rear USB port, then turn on the HDD and finally the player. If that doesn't work then you may have a hub that doesn't play nice. I've seen that "not supported" error in the past with a hub connected, but it resolved on its own. Been using a Belkin powered USB hub for a long time with no issues.

Edit to add: If that hub has ports on the side plus ports on the top, try using one or the other (top or side) to see if one works and the other doesn't.

Oppo UK support are usually very good, but I have had some strange responses from this particular support engineer on occasion, in the past, as well.
Edited by Rick R - 2/17/13 at 9:41am
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post #24642 of 25282
2/18/13 at 3:29am
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

As my grandmother would have said, "Oh, for Pete's sake!"

Of course, I know nothing about international trade in used players. confused.gif

There's (ab)used for $575+ and then there is refurbished from Oppodigital for $415: which would you pick if you had the choice?
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post #24643 of 25282
2/18/13 at 3:57am
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

There's (ab)used for $575+ and then there is refurbished from Oppodigital for $415: which would you pick if you had the choice?



I'm not trying to answer for Ian, but if they are both the same model go for the refurb. They carry an Oppo warranty, and are from what i understand no different than new. Don't be afraid of the word refurb, it doesn't mean someone beat it with a hammer and they were barely able to fix it. It is for all intensive purposes new, My opinion. Good luck, and jump fast or they will be gone quickly.
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post #24644 of 25282
2/18/13 at 5:57am
I picked up a "refurb" 93 from Oppo about 3-ish or so months before the 103's rolled out. I was a little bummed at the time but my wallet thanked me for saving the money and this player is great!
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post #24645 of 25282
2/18/13 at 6:36am
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Originally Posted by cainman View Post

I picked up a "refurb" 93 from Oppo about 3-ish or so months before the 103's rolled out. I was a little bummed at the time but my wallet thanked me for saving the money and this player is great!



Hi, I wouldn't be bummed out at all. They are virtually the same, and you'll be able to update them for a long time. I love mine and wouldn't even consider giving it up unless the 105 fell in my lap. Like you I'd consider a 105 refurb, down the road maybe.
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post #24646 of 25282
2/18/13 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by bingo1105 View Post

Hello, all... this post will be a bit off topic but I'm leaving it here for the benefit of the community.

I have a collection of 720p mkv files all encoded at 24 fps. I found that some of them would output at 1080p/24 (correct) and some of them would output at 1080p/60 (incorrect). This is regardless of the output resolution chosen on the player... I could set it to auto, 1080p, source direct... I could force 24p output, nothing would fix the problem. If I set the output to source direct, the player would output 720p/60.

Turns out that the pixel height as defined in the mkv file influences this behavior. Files set to 1280 x 720 will output at 60 fps... files with the pixel height set to anything other than 720 (like 1280 x 688) will output at 24 fps. This appears to be a bug to me, but using mkvpropedit to set the pixel height to 719 on these files makes the player 24 fps as desired.

Here's an example command:
mkvpropedit video.mkv --edit track:X --set pixel-height=719

... where track:X is the track identified with the video content. This is usually track 1 but I suppose this could vary.

Hope this helps someone...
Ed

Ed, that's an interesting finding. I suspect it has to do with how the division of labor for the video processing was altered in the latest firmware to fix a long-standing issue of poor quality upscaling from "real" 720p to 1080p (incorrect vertical color alignment).

The 720p output portion of this is expected behavior. HDMI doesn't allow 720p/24 as a supported format, so the frame rate has to be changed, yielding 720p/60.

"Forcing" /24 output -- i.e., setting 1080p/24 ON -- doesn't require the player to output /24. It only ALLOWS the player to output /24, when otherwise appropriate, even if the attached Display doesn't publish that it can accept /24 during the HDMI handshake. This is for certain displays (mainly some projectors) that are known to work just fine with /24 input, but which don't say so during the HDMI handshake.
--Bob
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2/18/13 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

I'm being tempted by the non-backlit remote Oppo is offering for $8 - I've learned to navigate the 93's remote by touch, and I wish its backlighting didn't stay on so long - 'twould be nice if the "backlight" button could be used to toggle it off!

Are all the other buttons the same as on the standard backlit version that comes with the 93? It looks like it from the pictures, which are, however, rather small.

Also, does it have the dual sculpted indents on the back that help with touch navigation on the 93's remote?

-Phil
Yes, the buttons are the same on the non-backlit remote (originally produced for the OPPO BDP-80 player) and the normal backlit remote used with the 93. The "Light" button on the lower right of the 93 remote still exists on the other remote -- now called "Wake Up". It sends an IR code (just like the "Light" button does) which will temporarily turn on the display if you have blacked it out with Pure Mode for example.

And yes the shells match for the two remotes, including the indents you asked about.

The non-backlit remote has luminescent buttons -- glow in the dark -- if the remote has been exposed to light recently.

By the way, the new remote used with the new 103/105 players (which does NOT have the same buttons) does have the ability for the user to configure its back light. By default the back light only comes on if you press the Light button (lower right). The alternate configuration turns on the back light with any button press, i.e., the way the 93 remote works.
--Bob
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post #24648 of 25282
2/18/13 at 11:12pm
So here's a situation:

OPPO BDP-93 (all firmware upgrades) at one end. About 12' of HDMI cable to a F-F coupler to about 25' more HDMI cable, to a Panny AE-8000U on the other end.

Connect to HDMI 1 on the BDP-93, there is about a 4 second delay before the video starts (remains black until then); audio starts when expected, so we get about 4 seconds of audio with a blank screen, then the video starts (correctly sync'd). If I use HDMI 2 on the BDP-93, the video starts immediately.

Also, when setting any Deep Color setting other than "off", I get no video from either HDMI port on the BDP-93.

I'm starting to suspect that the cable length is leading to marginal signal quality. Replacing the cable is a major effort (routed through wall and ceiling to ceiling-mounted projector); in a pinch I might be able to put the BDP-93 within about 10' of the projector.

Questions:
* Does this sound like the symptoms of marginal signal quality?
* Would trying one of the in-line amplifiers (e.g., the $10 unit from Monoprice, or something else) be worth a throw?

Oh, another interesting problem: the screen for this setup is an Elite Cinetension 2. I've noticed that every so often, a right arrow press (or maybe a multiple press) on the Oppo remote will trigger a screen retract. Anyone else seen this?

Thanks!

Steve
Edited by w0x0f - 2/18/13 at 11:18pm
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post #24649 of 25282
2/19/13 at 12:29am
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Originally Posted by w0x0f View Post

* Does this sound like the symptoms of marginal signal quality?
Is there a way you can test with much shorter HDMI cables?
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post #24650 of 25282
2/19/13 at 5:49am
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Originally Posted by w0x0f View Post

I'm starting to suspect that the cable length is leading to marginal signal quality.

According to Wikipedia:
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Although no maximum length for an HDMI cable is specified, signal attenuation (dependent on the cable's construction quality and conducting materials) limits usable lengths in practice. HDMI 1.3 defines two cable categories: Category 1-certified cables, which have been tested at 74.5 MHz (which would include resolutions such as 720p60 and 1080i60), and Category 2-certified cables, which have been tested at 340 MHz (which would include resolutions such as 1080p60 and 2160p30). Category 1 HDMI cables are marketed as "Standard" and Category 2 HDMI cables as "High Speed". A cable of about 5 meters (16 ft) can be manufactured to Category 1 specifications easily and inexpensively by using 28 AWG (0.081 mm²) conductors. With better quality construction and materials, including 24 AWG (0.205 mm²) conductors, an HDMI cable can reach lengths of up to 15 meters (49 ft).

It's not just a matter of length, but wire gauge as well. However, I'm not sure if the above quote means that 24 AWG cable only achieves Category 1 up to 15 metres.

Use of active HDMI repeaters can help longer cable runs, however I don't think it lifts Category 1 to Category 2.

Wall plates can contribute to signal loss too, if you are terminating on wall plates and using discrete cables to each device. If you are running Oppo to F-F connector to display with no other intervening connectors, then that would be best and if you replace the F-F connector with a repeater that should improve the situation further.

Deep Colour killing video is the giveaway that your cable's bandwidth is limited, but it's not necessary as Bluray doesn't use it anyway, so turn Deep Colour off. 1080p24 and 1080i60 should have a lower bandwidth than 1080p60, so try to keep to those depending on the source and your cables will thank you.

HDMI 1 always has a longer delay than HDMI 2 because handshaking has to occur with the additional Marvell chip. If your bandwidth is borderline, it's possible HDMI 1 has to repeat handshakes a few times with the display to get it right.
Edited by IanD - 2/19/13 at 6:08am
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post #24651 of 25282
2/19/13 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by w0x0f View Post

So here's a situation:

OPPO BDP-93 (all firmware upgrades) at one end. About 12' of HDMI cable to a F-F coupler to about 25' more HDMI cable, to a Panny AE-8000U on the other end.

Connect to HDMI 1 on the BDP-93, there is about a 4 second delay before the video starts (remains black until then); audio starts when expected, so we get about 4 seconds of audio with a blank screen, then the video starts (correctly sync'd). If I use HDMI 2 on the BDP-93, the video starts immediately.

Also, when setting any Deep Color setting other than "off", I get no video from either HDMI port on the BDP-93.

I'm starting to suspect that the cable length is leading to marginal signal quality. Replacing the cable is a major effort (routed through wall and ceiling to ceiling-mounted projector); in a pinch I might be able to put the BDP-93 within about 10' of the projector.

Questions:
* Does this sound like the symptoms of marginal signal quality?
* Would trying one of the in-line amplifiers (e.g., the $10 unit from Monoprice, or something else) be worth a throw?

Oh, another interesting problem: the screen for this setup is an Elite Cinetension 2. I've noticed that every so often, a right arrow press (or maybe a multiple press) on the Oppo remote will trigger a screen retract. Anyone else seen this?

Thanks!

Steve

Yes, this sounds like a marginal cabling problem. It wouldn't surprise me if the problem turns out to be that F-F coupler. Believe it or not, just the fan out and fan back in of the HDMI wires can screw up the signal. Obviously the thing to do is temporarily move the player near the projector so you can use a shorter cable and see if the problems go away. If so, then you know the longer cabling needs some work. FYI: The "optimum" length for HDMI between any 2 devices is 6 feet (2 meters), so use a 6 foot HDMI cable labeled as for use at High Speed (1080p) when testing this.

On your other problem, obviously the remote receiver on your screen is getting confused by the IR code coming from the OPPO remote. The easiest fix will likely be to switch the OPPO remote to use one of the 2 alternate IR code sets. See the Manual.
--Bob
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post #24652 of 25282
2/19/13 at 12:57pm
to me it sounds like a handshake problem... though normally it's the other way around, no sound... or no sound and video.
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2/19/13 at 1:06pm
Sorry to change topics for a second. A while back the 723 firmware upgrade caused a little bit of havoc for those of us with hardware mods (the pro version), requiring update to the firmware for the mod chip itself. Since then I have been reluctant to accept any further updates to the 93. Can anyone tell me if the latest 93 firmware (908) causes any further compatibility issues with the mod chip? I have asked the supplier of the mod chip several times but have failed to get a response over several months of trying.

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post #24654 of 25282
2/20/13 at 6:34am
Been lurking here for a long time -- I have a quick firmware update question that hopefully someone can weigh in on.

My 93 is running 57-0917. I've been mostly playing commercial discs, but over time I've also been backing up my DVD-As and BDs as isos. I'm now gradually coming to really appreciate being able to start a movie via file playback without the annoyances of previews and other menu distractions. To that end, I now have a locally attached HD dock to facilitate iso play.

So, my question: 61-1219 is the last FW version with iso support. I've read the major changes included in this update, but can't decide if it's worth the (very small) risk of the update process. Anyone have a opinion?
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2/20/13 at 6:59am
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Been lurking here for a long time -- I have a quick firmware update question that hopefully someone can weigh in on.

My 93 is running 57-0917. I've been mostly playing commercial discs, but over time I've also been backing up my DVD-As and BDs as isos. I'm now gradually coming to really appreciate being able to start a movie via file playback without the annoyances of previews and other menu distractions. To that end, I now have a locally attached HD dock to facilitate iso play.

So, my question: 61-1219 is the last FW version with iso support. I've read the major changes included in this update, but can't decide if it's worth the (very small) risk of the update process. Anyone have a opinion?



It's a slow week on here and I won't be able to help, I updated with no problems, but I'm not doing what you are with the 93, I'm sure one of the guys will help you both if they can soon.
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2/20/13 at 8:37am
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Been lurking here for a long time -- I have a quick firmware update question that hopefully someone can weigh in on.

My 93 is running 57-0917. I've been mostly playing commercial discs, but over time I've also been backing up my DVD-As and BDs as isos. I'm now gradually coming to really appreciate being able to start a movie via file playback without the annoyances of previews and other menu distractions. To that end, I now have a locally attached HD dock to facilitate iso play.

So, my question: 61-1219 is the last FW version with iso support. I've read the major changes included in this update, but can't decide if it's worth the (very small) risk of the update process. Anyone have a opinion?

There isn't any reason to fear the update, just be sure you have the correct one on CD or USB. When finished, verify that all 3 firmware revisions are correct. OTOH if you aren't experiencing any of the issues it fixes, there's no reason to feel compelled to do so. Just save the file in a safe place for future use.
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post #24657 of 25282
2/20/13 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

...if you aren't experiencing any of the issues it fixes, there's no reason to feel compelled to do so. Just save the file in a safe place for future use.

That's my general inclination -- don't fix what isn't broken.
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post #24658 of 25282
2/20/13 at 12:38pm
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...if you aren't experiencing any of the issues it fixes, there's no reason to feel compelled to do so. Just save the file in a safe place for future use.

That's my general inclination -- don't fix what isn't broken.
I'm running the same firmware version that you are. I've got the December update saved in case I need it in the future. So far I've had zero problems. If I start having problems with new Blu-ray releases, I'll buy a second player for new problem disks only.

Of course, if I ever need OPPO to repair our player, I'll have to get down on my knees and beg. wink.gif
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post #24659 of 25282
2/20/13 at 5:31pm
Hi guys,
I stupidly updated my player to firmware BDP9x-74-0908 a few months back with the Wifi Dongle in the back.

When I did, my promod kit from bluraychip.dk stopped working. I can power on the player by pressing 1, 2 or 3 but I get no region change. I know this is a common thing.

I updated the chip firmware to 1.1a and this is confirmed with the button sequence to display the chip firmware on the player display. Still no dice.

I uninstalled the chip and reset the player to factory defaults. Booted it up etc... then reinstalled the chip (but it still didn't fix my problem. I feel like I've tried everything I can to fix the issue but I just can't get the region switching to work.

Has anyone else had the same problem and resolved it?

Thanks for your help,
Steve
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post #24660 of 25282
2/20/13 at 6:18pm
^ Have you tried re-installing the player firmware?
--Bob
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