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post #24661 of 25187
2/20/13 at 7:29pm
Hi Bob, thanks for the reply.

I re-installed the chip firmware to no avail, but I haven't tried with the player firmware. Mainly because the player firmware update was done over the air (using the wireless dongle) some months back.

When the trouble started I had no time to try to fix it, and now I'm guessing there would be a new firmware available in and I'm afraid to update to it in case there's more trouble that can't be fixed with a chip firmware update just yet.
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post #24662 of 25187
2/20/13 at 8:00pm
^ Firmware download links for all versions can be found in the first post of this thread. As it turns out, the firmware you loaded (0908) is still the latest version, so you can also just go to the Support page for the 93 on the OPPO Digital web site.
--Bob
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post #24663 of 25187
2/20/13 at 8:29pm
Great, I'll try re-installing the firmware again tonight and see how I go.

For this to work properly, should I disconnect the chip first and then install the firmware on the stock player, then try re-installing the chip after that?
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post #24664 of 25187
2/21/13 at 4:01am
Unfortunately I've run out of things to try. I tried updating the player firmware from USB but it failed each time (3 different USB sticks ranging from new to very old, all FAT32 formatted).

I tried updating the chip firmware again with no fix to my problem.

Finally I plugged the wireless back in and tried a firmware update (nothing else to lose by this stage). The firmware did update surprisingly. Then I re-did the chip update but my problem remained.

I think there's nothing else for it but to replace the chip. Something went wrong somewhere and nothing I can do is fixing it. Everything looks fine, the chip firmware displays as 1.1a, I can turn the player on with the 1, 2 or 3 buttons... but no region change.

Hopefully Bluraychip.dk will respond to my email eventually and we can work out a solution, but short of buying a new chip I'm not sure what else to try frown.gif
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post #24665 of 25187
2/21/13 at 4:22am
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Originally Posted by steve21 View Post

Unfortunately I've run out of things to try. I tried updating the player firmware from USB but it failed each time (3 different USB sticks ranging from new to very old, all FAT32 formatted).

I tried updating the chip firmware again with no fix to my problem.

Finally I plugged the wireless back in and tried a firmware update (nothing else to lose by this stage). The firmware did update surprisingly. Then I re-did the chip update but my problem remained.

I think there's nothing else for it but to replace the chip. Something went wrong somewhere and nothing I can do is fixing it. Everything looks fine, the chip firmware displays as 1.1a, I can turn the player on with the 1, 2 or 3 buttons... but no region change.

Hopefully Bluraychip.dk will respond to my email eventually and we can work out a solution, but short of buying a new chip I'm not sure what else to try frown.gif



Hi, I'm not up on this very much, but it sounds like the company you got the chipset from needs to do an update to match Oppo's update. Is this what your assuming? Or was their update supposeded to be compatible?
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post #24666 of 25187
2/21/13 at 9:52am
Do any of you guys who are not updating since the iso killer firmware keep your player online? Since the announcement I have taken mine offline to avoid risking a forced update but I am wondering if I am just being paranoid.
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post #24667 of 25187
2/21/13 at 9:59am
^ There are no forced updates. At most the player will notify you that an update is available -- which you might accept by mistake. But you can turn off such notification in Setup, so even that possibility is avoided.

Note that some Blu-ray discs may announce they are doing an "update". What they mean by that is that replacement BD-Java code for what's authored onto the disc is being downloaded -- i.e., it only affects the playback of that disc. These are for User Interface changes affecting the disc, such as network content features that have been added or deleted by the studio. The discs are not able to alter the player's own firmware nor initiate a player firmware update.
--Bob
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post #24668 of 25187
2/21/13 at 11:16am
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Do any of you guys who are not updating since the iso killer firmware keep your player online? Since the announcement I have taken mine offline to avoid risking a forced update but I am wondering if I am just being paranoid.
Since I don't use any of the streaming services, I don't have an Ethernet connection to our LAN. And, I especially don't like BD-Live.

If I needed an Internet connection, I wouldn't be afraid of a forced firmware update. I would want to have the announcement turned off to prevent an accidental update by someone trying to help the old man stay up to date.
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post #24669 of 25187
2/21/13 at 1:50pm
My ISO enabled 93 is not connected to any network, WiFi or Wired.
I also don't like network steaming (I tried it) and much prefer using external storage for everything...including ISO playback.
My player has the Dec 2011 1219 FW which was the last one before ISO was disabled.
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post #24670 of 25187
2/21/13 at 7:59pm
My stupid story of updating. When I got my 103 I accidentally updated my 93 thinking I was looking at the 103. Fortunately I was able to restore the 93 with the desired firmware (1219) but there was much cursing and throwing of remotes when I realized what I had done. My 93 has been disconnected from the network ever since... lesson learned.

My experience is if you are persistent Bluraychip.dk eventually answers emails.
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post #24671 of 25187
2/22/13 at 2:06am
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

Fortunately I was able to restore the 93 with the desired firmware (1219) ......... lesson learned.

How did u do that?
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post #24672 of 25187
2/22/13 at 7:30am
Folks - dumb question.....is there any way to break the 2TB storage partition limit for the 93? Most operating systems do not have a 2TB limitation, however the MBR structure used to partition the disk could. Typically a 32-bit OS would have 2^32 addressable locations. Using 512 bytes per sector and doing the math 2^32 * 512 = 2TB (2,199,023,255,040) is the maximum limit.

Has anyone attempted to create two volumes on a single drive and have them 'seen' by the Oppo? Or is this just not possible on the 93? The price on >2TB drives is starting to drive down, providing added storage volume convenience..... rolleyes.gif No issues with chaining multiple 2TB drives with a USB hub, but I thought I'd ask.....
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post #24673 of 25187
2/22/13 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

Fortunately I was able to restore the 93 with the desired firmware (1219) but there was much cursing and throwing of remotes when I realized what I had done. My 93 has been disconnected from the network ever since... lesson learned.

My experience is if you are persistent Bluraychip.dk eventually answers emails.

Do tell how!!!!
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post #24674 of 25187
2/22/13 at 7:37am
I do recall discussion of multiple partitions but don't remember how well it worked.

Note that over DLNA the player has no knowledge of the remote file system, it's type or size, so there are no limits from the player's point of view.

This doesn't help for file types that DLNA doesn't support: ISO, for example, if you are still using that on older firmware.

-Bill
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post #24675 of 25187
2/22/13 at 7:56am
Thanks Bill for a quick answer. I am looking for direct connect, not doing any DLNA or remote streaming......
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post #24676 of 25187
2/22/13 at 8:29am
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Folks - dumb question.....is there any way to break the 2TB storage partition limit for the 93? Most operating systems do not have a 2TB limitation, however the MBR structure used to partition the disk could. Typically a 32-bit OS would have 2^32 addressable locations. Using 512 bytes per sector and doing the math 2^32 * 512 = 2TB (2,199,023,255,040) is the maximum limit.

Has anyone attempted to create two volumes on a single drive and have them 'seen' by the Oppo? Or is this just not possible on the 93? The price on >2TB drives is starting to drive down, providing added storage volume convenience..... rolleyes.gif No issues with chaining multiple 2TB drives with a USB hub, but I thought I'd ask.....

The issue is more with GPT formatting than with the partition size. And no, the player will not support >2TB drives. My best recollection is that larger drives with 2 smaller partitions will usually only allow the 1st partition to be seen by the player. YMMV.
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post #24677 of 25187
2/22/13 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Ed, that's an interesting finding. I suspect it has to do with how the division of labor for the video processing was altered in the latest firmware to fix a long-standing issue of poor quality upscaling from "real" 720p to 1080p (incorrect vertical color alignment).

The 720p output portion of this is expected behavior. HDMI doesn't allow 720p/24 as a supported format, so the frame rate has to be changed, yielding 720p/60.

"Forcing" /24 output -- i.e., setting 1080p/24 ON -- doesn't require the player to output /24. It only ALLOWS the player to output /24, when otherwise appropriate, even if the attached Display doesn't publish that it can accept /24 during the HDMI handshake. This is for certain displays (mainly some projectors) that are known to work just fine with /24 input, but which don't say so during the HDMI handshake.
--Bob

I actually received a good explanation of this behavior from Oppo:

The problem is the decoder manufacturer as decided to treat 720p/24 as 720p/60 to ensure that Source Direct and the analog outputs work properly. This is why the player can't do 720p/24 to 1080p/24. This is been a point of contention that we have had with the decoder manufacturer, but if they decide to not change their SDK, we are not able to change how our player works with 720p/24 content.
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post #24678 of 25187
2/22/13 at 12:51pm
I don't believe AVS allows talk of reflashing. I'll try to answer PMs.
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post #24679 of 25187
2/22/13 at 5:54pm
Hi guys

new member here but long time reader.

Recently got a good deal on an Oppo BDP-93 so decided to pick one up around October Last year.

I just got it connected to my home theater and yesterday i tested the USB Storage Playback of files.

Images worked fine. I played H.264 Blu Ray Rip fine also. The audio is very HQ on these types of .mkv files

Now i tested .mp3 files and .avi files and the sound on my Anthem MRX-500 was only outputting to 2.0 stereo and it sounded really poor. Especially the mp3s. Now does this have to do with the media itself? I wont be watching anything but .mkv blu rays now as i cringe that i spent all this money on a HT system to watch a poor quality movie.

However i would like to listen to MP3s as i have quite a collection! Will i need to convert the mp3 to FLAC?

Any advice would be good. Cheers!
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post #24680 of 25187
2/22/13 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by Arkmae View Post

Now i tested .mp3 files and .avi files and the sound on my Anthem MRX-500 was only outputting to 2.0 stereo and it sounded really poor. Especially the mp3s. Now does this have to do with the media itself?

However i would like to listen to MP3s as i have quite a collection! Will i need to convert the mp3 to FLAC?
Well, MP3 is of course only 2.0 stereo. So you shouldn't expect anything else.

Also, where did you get those MP3 files? Make them yourself from your own CD's, or did you buy them online? If you bought them online, do you know what the encoding method and parameters was?

MP3 is by definition a lossy-compression format, and on top of the bitrate parameter and CBR vs. VBR parameter, there is a "quality" parameter that is very significnant in determining how the final MP3 file sounds. The whole reason MP3 exists is to produce something that "sounds pretty good, or pretty close to the original" and is about 1/10th - 1/5th the file size of the original WAV (depending on encoding algorithm and parameters). And then the encoding software itself is very significant in producing good or not-so-good results. But this is a "psychoacoustic lossy-compression" mechanism, hoping to "sound like the original" but not being the original.

If you listen to your MP3 collection through other high-quality playback means, how does it sound? I suggest using a particular file that you are very familiar with an think sounds "great", to do a fair comparison with the Oppo.

NOTE: MP3 is by definition a LOSSY encoding method that is guaranteed NOT to sound like the true original WAV (i.e. from the original CD), though it can sound very good. Highest-quality encoding parameters are touted by MP3 lovers as producing results that are "indistinguishable" from the original. Hmmm... it's NOT the original, and it strives to achieve indistinguishability from the original. So obviously the ORIGINAL is the holy grail of MP3 encoding.

==>> You should be using FLAC if you truly want INDISTINGUISHABLE and 100% bit-for-bit identical to the true original. FLAC IS TRULY THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL, just lossless-compressed (like a ZIP file) to about 50% of the size of the original WAV from the CD. It sounds IDENTICAL. So aside from a larger reduction in file size with MP3, why would you even consider MP3 if FLAC file size isn't a problem... and truly CANNOT SOUND ANY BETTER, since it truly IS 100% THE ORIGINAL just at 1/2 file size.

Now, do NOT waste any time thinking that producing a FLAC version from your MP3 files is going to bring back the original quality that you've already lost by going to MP3 in the first place. It's lost. Gone. Finished forever. You can never get back the bits and sound quality of the original. Creating FLAC from MP3 only makes the file larger, but does ZERO to retrieve the lost bits and lost audio quality.

If you want to use FLAC (since it IS the original), either (a) buy FLAC if available and not MP3, or (b) buy the CD and make your own FLAC files for those tracks you want to have in portable format.
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post #24681 of 25187
2/23/13 at 5:44am
^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^

Good post and very clear explanation

I have tried MP3 at the highest quality and bitrates the equipment can play back (Oppo 93, Roberts Internet Radio which does FLAC as well and other kit) and my experience is exactly as you say, MP3 cannot match the original. Yes it can sound quite good if extracted from owned CD's at the best quality but the difference is clearly discernible when compared to the original CD
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post #24682 of 25187
2/23/13 at 6:20am
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Unfortunately I've run out of things to try. I tried updating the player firmware from USB but it failed each time (3 different USB sticks ranging from new to very old, all FAT32 formatted).

I tried updating the chip firmware again with no fix to my problem.

Finally I plugged the wireless back in and tried a firmware update (nothing else to lose by this stage). The firmware did update surprisingly. Then I re-did the chip update but my problem remained.

I think there's nothing else for it but to replace the chip. Something went wrong somewhere and nothing I can do is fixing it. Everything looks fine, the chip firmware displays as 1.1a, I can turn the player on with the 1, 2 or 3 buttons... but no region change.

Hopefully Bluraychip.dk will respond to my email eventually and we can work out a solution, but short of buying a new chip I'm not sure what else to try frown.gif

Here is an extract from the update procedure, I have left out the first part. From other sources I understand the usb memory stick is critical and the older and smaller the better, most people are experiencing problems to load the update with large capacity fast memory sticks. Most important not to press the OK button large bold text in the last part of the procedure this apparently disables the chip and so far no way to recover it. Hope the below helps

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Once copied to the usb memory stick, insert it in the front usb connector of your player.
Only the front usb connector can be used. When the player is in standby, press the following keys on your remote :
TOP MENU – SETUP – RED – 9
Now your player will automatically start up, and read from the USB memory stick. If there is a LED on your USB stick, it will flash for several seconds while the firmware is updated.

After approx. 20 seconds, the regionfree kit is updated. You will have to power off the player, to let the new firmware work.

How to verify new modchip firmware:

When the player is in standby, press the following keys on your remote : TOP MENU – SETUP – YELLOW – 6
Now your player will automatically start up.
When started up, remove any disc in the player, and wait until "no disc" is displayed.

Now press the YELLOW button on the remote, and the front panel display will after 1 second show the PRO modchip version number. It should read "1-1a" for this version.

How to verify the region change:

When (First!) powering up with new mod firmware installed, start up by pressing “3” to select region C. At next power up, the desired region (A,B or C) can be selected.

To verify the region change is working as intended, power the player up, enter the setup menu, and press 0-7-7-0 on the remote control. A factory test page will appear. Confirm that the regions displayed are correct, and exit the menu again by pressing the setup button, (not the OK button).
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post #24683 of 25187
2/25/13 at 7:33pm
Thanks Rick, those are the same instructions I was working from.

On my last attempt (after uninstalling / reinstalling the chip + firmware many times) I pressed the OK button on the factory test page. I was pretty tired and stupidly pressed "OK". When you say it disables the chip, will purchasing a new chip fix this? Or does it disable something from within the oppo itself, so that even a brand new chip won't solve the issue?

I haven't received a response to my email to bluraychip.dk asking for some advice, but I may just go ahead and purchase another promod kit if this will solve my problem.
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post #24684 of 25187
2/25/13 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Well, MP3 is of course only 2.0 stereo. So you shouldn't expect anything else.

Also, where did you get those MP3 files? Make them yourself from your own CD's, or did you buy them online? If you bought them online, do you know what the encoding method and parameters was?

MP3 is by definition a lossy-compression format, and on top of the bitrate parameter and CBR vs. VBR parameter, there is a "quality" parameter that is very significnant in determining how the final MP3 file sounds. The whole reason MP3 exists is to produce something that "sounds pretty good, or pretty close to the original" and is about 1/10th - 1/5th the file size of the original WAV (depending on encoding algorithm and parameters). And then the encoding software itself is very significant in producing good or not-so-good results. But this is a "psychoacoustic lossy-compression" mechanism, hoping to "sound like the original" but not being the original.

If you listen to your MP3 collection through other high-quality playback means, how does it sound? I suggest using a particular file that you are very familiar with an think sounds "great", to do a fair comparison with the Oppo.

NOTE: MP3 is by definition a LOSSY encoding method that is guaranteed NOT to sound like the true original WAV (i.e. from the original CD), though it can sound very good. Highest-quality encoding parameters are touted by MP3 lovers as producing results that are "indistinguishable" from the original. Hmmm... it's NOT the original, and it strives to achieve indistinguishability from the original. So obviously the ORIGINAL is the holy grail of MP3 encoding.

==>> You should be using FLAC if you truly want INDISTINGUISHABLE and 100% bit-for-bit identical to the true original. FLAC IS TRULY THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL, just lossless-compressed (like a ZIP file) to about 50% of the size of the original WAV from the CD. It sounds IDENTICAL. So aside from a larger reduction in file size with MP3, why would you even consider MP3 if FLAC file size isn't a problem... and truly CANNOT SOUND ANY BETTER, since it truly IS 100% THE ORIGINAL just at 1/2 file size.

Now, do NOT waste any time thinking that producing a FLAC version from your MP3 files is going to bring back the original quality that you've already lost by going to MP3 in the first place. It's lost. Gone. Finished forever. You can never get back the bits and sound quality of the original. Creating FLAC from MP3 only makes the file larger, but does ZERO to retrieve the lost bits and lost audio quality.

If you want to use FLAC (since it IS the original), either (a) buy FLAC if available and not MP3, or (b) buy the CD and make your own FLAC files for those tracks you want to have in portable format.

Thanks for the info, you have been very helpful. I made most of my MP3s from CDs that i already own, but i did it many years ago. May need to get the CDs out again and re rip them all. I was about to sell all my originals too, as i am trying to "de-clutter" all my belongings, lucky i didn't as now i need them again. Once this is done then i can truly let them go.
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post #24685 of 25187
2/25/13 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by Arkmae View Post

Thanks for the info, you have been very helpful. I made most of my MP3s from CDs that i already own, but i did it many years ago. May need to get the CDs out again and re rip them all. I was about to sell all my originals too, as i am trying to "de-clutter" all my belongings, lucky i didn't as now i need them again. Once this is done then i can truly let them go.
I don't know what you used to originally produce your MP3's from your CD's years ago. But my own approach to MP3 used Audiograbber (as opposed to EAC, which I find less user-friendly and not quite as flexible), invoking LAME.EXE as an external MP3 encoder. My encoding parameters were minimal, specifying simply (a) highest-quality, (b) VBR up to maximum bitrate of 320kbps, and (c) true 2-channel stereo. Details on the CDs is automatically obtained from FreeDB (which you can pre-edit before using it to produce the MP3 files), and ID3 tagging of the produced MP3 files is automatically done by Audiograbber.

Turns out Audiograbber can also invoked FLAC.EXE as an external encoder, providing all of the FLAC tagging details in command-line parameters to FLAC.EXE.

So I use Audiograbber to produce both my MP3 files as well as my FLAC files, from my CDs.

If you're not famliar with Audiograbber I recommend it very highly, as it is a terrifically user-friendly and capable interface to the encoding process. I can provide lots of guidance and "instruction" (via PM, and links to threads in other forums) if you're interested.
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post #24686 of 25187
2/26/13 at 4:03am
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Originally Posted by steve21 View Post

Thanks Rick, those are the same instructions I was working from.

On my last attempt (after uninstalling / reinstalling the chip + firmware many times) I pressed the OK button on the factory test page. I was pretty tired and stupidly pressed "OK". When you say it disables the chip, will purchasing a new chip fix this? Or does it disable something from within the oppo itself, so that even a brand new chip won't solve the issue?

I haven't received a response to my email to bluraychip.dk asking for some advice, but I may just go ahead and purchase another promod kit if this will solve my problem.
Hi Steve,

I don't actually have the mod, but the information I have comes from the UK Oppo 93 thread, I will put a link in at the bottom. Several of the guys have had problems like yours and luckily the approved distributors in the UK are excellent and provide great support. It would appear that a replacement chip is the answer and apparently bluraychip.dk do respond eventually but tend to take their time. I don't know how long you have been waiting but I believe they can take up to a month. Not the best customer service in the world (paricularly once you are accustomed to Oppo's excellent service), i would send them a couple more emails with the acknowledge receipt box ticked and see if that can gee them up a bit. I hope I don't get my backside chewed for putting this link in http://www.avforums.com/forums/blu-ray-dvd-players/1669600-oppo-bdp-93-networking-universal-blu-ray-player-part-5-a-12.html there is some discussion there and on previous pages
Edited by Rick R - 2/26/13 at 4:19am
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post #24687 of 25187
2/26/13 at 4:07am
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

I don't know what you used to originally produce your MP3's from your CD's years ago. But my own approach to MP3 used Audiograbber (as opposed to EAC, which I find less user-friendly and not quite as flexible), invoking LAME.EXE as an external MP3 encoder. My encoding parameters were minimal, specifying simply (a) highest-quality, (b) VBR up to maximum bitrate of 320kbps, and (c) true 2-channel stereo. Details on the CDs is automatically obtained from FreeDB (which you can pre-edit before using it to produce the MP3 files), and ID3 tagging of the produced MP3 files is automatically done by Audiograbber.

Turns out Audiograbber can also invoked FLAC.EXE as an external encoder, providing all of the FLAC tagging details in command-line parameters to FLAC.EXE.

So I use Audiograbber to produce both my MP3 files as well as my FLAC files, from my CDs.

If you're not famliar with Audiograbber I recommend it very highly, as it is a terrifically user-friendly and capable interface to the encoding process. I can provide lots of guidance and "instruction" (via PM, and links to threads in other forums) if you're interested.

I use MediaMonkey, its free and does most of the formats including FLAC its also pretty fast and easy to use
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post #24688 of 25187
2/26/13 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by Rick R View Post

I use MediaMonkey, its free and does most of the formats including FLAC its also pretty fast and easy to use
I feel MediaMonkey to be about THE MOST intrusive software product I've come across (next to AOL, I suppose).

I know many people love it, probably including you. But I prefer products that have much smaller scopes of function, that allow me to be in complete 100% control, and where I know exactly what's happening at all times because I specifically asked for that to happen and set up all the interfaces to do nothing more than what I asked. In other words, I will never use a function named "sync" which might allow the software product to make decisions for me.

Pardon the rant here, but I am really anti-MediaMonkey and its "all-in-one" design (same as I feel about AOL). I prefer "separates". I use Winamp as my music player, Jaangle as my "organizer/player", Beyond Compare as my folder/file sync utility between music collection on my PC's and Cowon J3 portable music player, Free Commander as my Windows Explorer replacement, AudioGrabber + LAME and FLAC as my ripper/encoder/tagger, MP3Tag as my tag utility, and MusiFind Pro as my CD Database software. Album art is scanned by me, tweaked with Photoshop, and saved in my "album folders" as a single external "cover.jpg" album art image (i.e. I do not use internally imbedded album art in the tags of individual music files).

No iTunes for me either.
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2/26/13 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

I feel MediaMonkey to be about THE MOST intrusive software product I've come across (next to AOL, I suppose).

I know many people love it, probably including you. But I prefer products that have much smaller scopes of function, that allow me to be in complete 100% control, and where I know exactly what's happening at all times because I specifically asked for that to happen and set up all the interfaces to do nothing more than what I asked. In other words, I will never use a function named "sync" which might allow the software product to make decisions for me.

Pardon the rant here, but I am really anti-MediaMonkey and its "all-in-one" design (same as I feel about AOL). I prefer "separates". I use Winamp as my music player, Jaangle as my "organizer/player", Beyond Compare as my folder/file sync utility between music collection on my PC's and Cowon J3 portable music player, Free Commander as my Windows Explorer replacement, AudioGrabber + LAME and FLAC as my ripper/encoder/tagger, MP3Tag as my tag utility, and MusiFind Pro as my CD Database software. Album art is scanned by me, tweaked with Photoshop, and saved in my "album folders" as a single external "cover.jpg" album art image (i.e. I do not use internally imbedded album art in the tags of individual music files).

No iTunes for me either.

Rant pardoned, I'll look into that not something I had thought about as it was suggested to me by a friend far more into this than me. Also like you I prefer minilamist and use portables where I can. 'iT**es' I don't normally swear much, but that is a curse too far:).

Media Monkey, I wont say I love it, it just happened to be convenient, does a bit more than some of the other stuff, allows me to stick a load of stuff on a big stick and play nicely through the 93 but I will seriously look into it and see how intrusive it is, like you it is one of my pet hates
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post #24690 of 25187
2/26/13 at 7:34am
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Rant pardoned, I'll look into that not something I had thought about as it was suggested to me by a friend far more into this than me. Also like you I prefer minilamist and use portables where I can. 'iT**es' I don't normally swear much, but that is a curse too far:).

Media Monkey, I wont say I love it, it just happened to be convenient, does a bit more than some of the other stuff, allows me to stick a load of stuff on a big stick and play nicely through the 93 but I will seriously look into it and see how intrusive it is, like you it is one of my pet hates


Well it does not seemed to have gone into places it should not,. It does not seem to be phoning home either, the only time it makes internet connections not initiated by me is when the web option is selected. I will keep an eye on it though.
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