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post #24751 of 25196
3/7/13 at 12:09pm
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No, but I've carried on a correspondence with "Vivian" in Beijing. They have my log files and suggested trying the clone function in version 8.2.2.8 of DVDFab. It's interesting that they are maintaining very active updates to both version 8 and version 9 of DVDFab. I've used the Copy DVD and Copy Blu-ray modules since I upgraded from the BDP-83 to the 93. This is the first change in ISO file behavior that I've encountered.

I'll check out the DVDFab forums.

Without dragging this way off-topic, DVDFab8 is the established mostly stable product version. Fixes and new protection support are added as needed. The newer DVDFab9 appears to be a major rewrite both internally and with the UI and the release notes for v9 say a lot. Things that worked fine in v8 are not always working in v9 and so on. The changelog tends to be very lengthy. DVDFab8 is maintained while DVDFab9 appears to be more like a public alpha or beta product release IMO.

Personally, I use AnyDVD and just use the built-in function to rip to ISO and then play my ISOs from one of my external devices. Haven't had any issues. I'm not much of a fan of DVDFab.
I use DVDFab much the same way you use AnyDVD. I'm still on the first subscription to DVDFab and I think I'll stick with version 8 until the subscription expires in July. What I really want to find out is why I could clone Avengers but not copy it with either version of DVDFab. Thanks for your contribution. I suspected something like what you describe was going on with version 9.
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3/7/13 at 2:20pm
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Dynamic Range Control happens where DECODING happens for Bitstream tracks that include the needed meta-data. So if you are sending HDMI Bitstream output for Bitstream tracks, then the setting for Dynamic Range Control gets made in your AVR. If you are using LPCM output for Bitstream tracks, then the OPPO is doing the decoding and the setting in the OPPO is relevant.

Personally, I just set it to OFF in the OPPO and forget about it.

The Speaker Configuration settings in the OPPO (including the Crossover and Down-mix choices) have no impact on HDMI Audio output. Those settings are ignored for HDMI audio output. Make all speaker adjustments using the settings in your HDMI-equipped AVR.

One other setting to check is Secondary Audio. If using HDMI LPCM output you can leave Secondary Audio ON. If using HDMI Bitstream output you should set Secondary Audio OFF unless you actually want to use a Blu-ray disc feature that requires it (typically some Picture In Picture Commentary tracks). Secondary Audio mixing requires the track be decoded in the OPPO just as for LPCM output. But if you play a Bitstream track with HDMI Bitstream output, the result, after mixing in the Secondary Audio has to be RE-encoded back into a Bitstream for output. Since no consumer device has the horsepower to encode a lossless Bitstream on the fly, the OPPO uses a high bit-rate, but still lossy, DTS format for the re-encode.

If you play HDCD discs, you should also check the HDCD Decoding setting. The rule here is simple: If your AVR offers HDCD Decoding then you should turn HDCD Decoding OFF in the OPPO. Otherwise turn it ON in the OPPO.

If you play SACD discs, and your AVR is capable of accepting HDMI DSD input, then you also have to decide whether to use SACD Output PCM or DSD in the OPPO. I would suggest PCM because even if your AVR actually has the special DACs needed to do DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion, actually USING those will mean you have bypass any audio processing settings in your AVR. However, some folks want to use DSD nonetheless. Just understand what that means. For example, it likely means you will be bypassing any bass management (Crossover processing) in your AVR while using DSD.
--Bob

Thank you for your time in responding. My settings match everything you have mentioned with the exception of the SACD which I have now switched over to PCM. The AVR does not offer HDCD decoding so I left that on.

At this point, I have contacted my cable company for a replacement cable box. The checked the volume levels while playing movies, CD's, and watching television programming. Only when I'm sourcing from the cable box do I need to ramp up the volume.

As I mentioned earlier, I used to be able to keep the volume on any source at the same level (around 50 on a scale of 0-100). Now I need to increase the volume when using the cable box to around 70+ for it to sound as it used to. I checked settings on all equipment to make sure there was no DRC or other compensation settings in use. I'll get the box in a few days (UPS) and will follow up here with the results to help others possibly.
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post #24753 of 25196
3/7/13 at 2:35pm
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As I mentioned earlier, I used to be able to keep the volume on any source at the same level (around 50 on a scale of 0-100). Now I need to increase the volume when using the cable box to around 70+ for it to sound as it used to. I checked settings on all equipment to make sure there was no DRC or other compensation settings in use. I'll get the box in a few days (UPS) and will follow up here with the results to help others possibly.
I use my AVR for volume control and it's scaled from 0 (reference for music recordings). The levels that we use are all in the negative range. Depending on the source, that range can be anywhere from -9 to -30. Given my lack of recording experience, I don't understand how you can find one volume setting for all sources or where you are getting a 0 to +60 volume scale. I'm not being a wise guy. I'm just confused. I'm assuming, that in your case, zero represents no audio volume.
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post #24754 of 25196
3/7/13 at 3:03pm
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Thank you for your time in responding. My settings match everything you have mentioned with the exception of the SACD which I have now switched over to PCM. The AVR does not offer HDCD decoding so I left that on.

At this point, I have contacted my cable company for a replacement cable box. The checked the volume levels while playing movies, CD's, and watching television programming. Only when I'm sourcing from the cable box do I need to ramp up the volume.

As I mentioned earlier, I used to be able to keep the volume on any source at the same level (around 50 on a scale of 0-100). Now I need to increase the volume when using the cable box to around 70+ for it to sound as it used to. I checked settings on all equipment to make sure there was no DRC or other compensation settings in use. I'll get the box in a few days (UPS) and will follow up here with the results to help others possibly.

You probably turned the volume down on the cable box as it also has its own volume control just like the OPPO does. There should be a section in the cable box setup menu to set the cable box volume to its default level. This is a common problem and my cable company will charge the customer for a truck roll if ths is the only thing wrong so check this first and if it is the problem you can cancel the appointment.
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post #24755 of 25196
3/7/13 at 6:48pm
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You probably turned the volume down on the cable box as it also has its own volume control just like the OPPO does. There should be a section in the cable box setup menu to set the cable box volume to its default level. This is a common problem and my cable company will charge the customer for a truck roll if ths is the only thing wrong so check this first and if it is the problem you can cancel the appointment.

Thanks for that tip. I'll check it out. I'm really perplexed on this and want to understand what happened regardless of what it is and how it came to be.

What I can tell everyone here as a starting point is that a couple days ago I noticed the volume needing to be increased much higher than what I'm accustomed to while watching TV. For the poster above confused about the numbers, my AVR (Denon 3312CI) can be set to display relative or absolute values for the volume level. I have it on the absolute setting (0-100) and for the past 10 months (how long I've had it) the setting of 50 has been "normal" for me.

Perhaps this discussion should be moved elsewhere as it is not specific to the Oppo but it was my starting point due to the settings I first noticed and had questions about.
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post #24756 of 25196
3/7/13 at 7:16pm
Don't forget the simplest and most likely culprit: someone watching cable TV used the cable remote's Volume Up/Down control - not the one in the cable box's Setup but the one that can be accessed with a rocker switch on the face of the remote, usually flanking the Channel Up/Down control!

Jedi: If you're saying that there may be a place in Setup to disable the cable remote's volume control that would be ideal - as long as it puts out a signal roughly the same as the other devices. Otherwise, use the cable remote's volume contol to match the others, and take note of how many bars it shows on screen at that point, so you can put it back there after your family members are done watching TV - I'm assuming there's no point in telling them to only use the volume control on the AVR remote!

-Phil
Edited by Philnick - 3/7/13 at 7:24pm
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post #24757 of 25196
3/7/13 at 8:03pm
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Thanks for that tip. I'll check it out. I'm really perplexed on this and want to understand what happened regardless of what it is and how it came to be.

What I can tell everyone here as a starting point is that a couple days ago I noticed the volume needing to be increased much higher than what I'm accustomed to while watching TV. For the poster above confused about the numbers, my AVR (Denon 3312CI) can be set to display relative or absolute values for the volume level. I have it on the absolute setting (0-100) and for the past 10 months (how long I've had it) the setting of 50 has been "normal" for me.

Perhaps this discussion should be moved elsewhere as it is not specific to the Oppo but it was my starting point due to the settings I first noticed and had questions about.

Its very easy to get the cable box volume changed. I notice households that have young children and elderly people have this happen a lot. If you have the I Guide and a Motorola based system you should find it by hitting menu, select the house, setup, and audio. There shoud be something like optimal sound and it will set the volume to the optimal setting.
If you need to get into the hidden menu, make sure that the tv and cable box are on then using the cable box remote hit cable, power, then menu and the hidden menu will show up. This is where you set certain MOto boxes to run in native mode. To get into the diagnostics for the box, make sure the tv and cable box are on then using the remote hit cable, power, then select and the diagnostics page should come up. In both cases use your scroll pad keys and select button to move around. Hitting the power button will exit both screens. I only ever worked on Motorola systems so I know this works with Pace and Motorola boxes. I don't have any infomation about cisco boxes (scientific atlantic).
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post #24758 of 25196
3/7/13 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

Don't forget the simplest and most likely culprit: someone watching cable TV used the cable remote's Volume Up/Down control - not the one in the cable box's Setup but the one that can be accessed with a rocker switch on the face of the remote, usually flanking the Channel Up/Down control!

Jedi: If you're saying that there may be a place in Setup to disable the cable remote's volume control that would be ideal - as long as it puts out a signal roughly the same as the other devices. Otherwise, use the cable remote's volume contol to match the others, and take note of how many bars it shows on screen at that point, so you can put it back there after your family members are done watching TV - I'm assuming there's no point in telling them to only use the volume control on the AVR remote!

-Phil

I wish that there was a way to set the box volume to its optimal setting and have it fixed there but unfortunately there is none. I do know on most boxes you either set it to full volume or slightly below as there will be a point where it will say stereo. This will be considered the optimal volume setting. This is for only Motorola and Pace boxes. I never worked on Cisco boxes (scientific atlantic). On my cable system there is a selection in the audio settings menu to set tthe box to optimal volume.

If you need to get into the hidden menu, make sure that the tv and cable box are on then using the cable box remote hit cable, power, then menu and the hidden menu will show up. This is where you set certain Moto boxes to run in native mode. To get into the diagnostics for the box, make sure the tv and cable box are on then using the remote hit cable, power, then select and the diagnostics page should come up. In both cases use your scroll pad keys and select button to move around. Hitting the power button will exit both screens.
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post #24759 of 25196
3/7/13 at 8:18pm
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For the poster above confused about the numbers, my AVR (Denon 3312CI) can be set to display relative or absolute values for the volume level. I have it on the absolute setting (0-100) and for the past 10 months (how long I've had it) the setting of 50 has been "normal" for me.
I have the exact same AVR. I guess I've always had relative volume control. I suppose that referring to relative to reference. Thanks for the information. If the cable remote is with your other remotes in your viewing room, I vote to blame the remote's volume control as the culprit.

I still think it's interesting that you are used to similar volume settings across sources and I have fifteen to twenty units variance across sources.
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post #24760 of 25196
3/8/13 at 5:47am
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I have the exact same AVR. I guess I've always had relative volume control. I suppose that referring to relative to reference. Thanks for the information. If the cable remote is with your other remotes in your viewing room, I vote to blame the remote's volume control as the culprit.

I still think it's interesting that you are used to similar volume settings across sources and I have fifteen to twenty units variance across sources.

Although he didn't mention it specifically and may have never used this feature, I believe most AVR/Processors these days include gain trim controls for each input so you can get equal loudness across sources for a given master volume setting.
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post #24761 of 25196
3/8/13 at 1:02pm
Let me add for the benefit of the past few posts regarding remotes...I'm controlling my system with a Harmony 900. I hope that thing isn't the culprit! I checked my cable box and cannot find any way to adjust its volume. I pulled out the remote that it came with (I had to put in batteries to use it) and tried playing with the volume there but it's trying to change the TV set's volume which I also don't use.

I should also add I live alone (no pets either) so there's no way somebody else messed with any controls. I can say the Harmony acts up sometimes when I switch activities or simply shuts down requiring me to pop the battery in/out to reboot it. Maybe it has changed something via a confused signal.

So far I have checked all my settings on each piece of equipment for audio, re-calibrated my speakers in the AVR, and made most of the adjustments suggested in this discussion so far.

One thing that has me suspicious about what I used to experience...the guide in the thread for my AVR states:

"If you have run AUTO SETUP, then average volume for most folks with 8Ω speakers and at least 87db+ efficiency, will be around -30db to -20db (51-61 absolute) for TV viewing and -20db to -10db (61-71 absolute) for movie watching."

I bolded the values. These are the values I am now experiencing! So what was going on with my old settings? I do not know.

Right now I'm waiting for the replacement cable box to arrive. It will have HDMI cable. My current box has component cables, so that should be some improvement over previous equipment regardless of the issue at hand.
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post #24762 of 25196
3/8/13 at 1:15pm
Scrapser, did you try putting the 900 remote in device mode (cable box) & then try adjusting the volume?
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post #24763 of 25196
3/8/13 at 5:38pm
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Scrapser, did you try putting the 900 remote in device mode (cable box) & then try adjusting the volume?

I tried to do that but there is no volume control on my cable box. When I hit the volume keys the IR blaster shows no signal. I also tried watching TV and entered the device mode to see if I could change the volume and hear it...still nothing (and no IR blaster signal). I think I would have to program the Harmony for volume control manually and since this has not been active in my setup I don't think it ever had any role to play in my situation.
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post #24764 of 25196
3/8/13 at 5:39pm
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Let me add for the benefit of the past few posts regarding remotes...I'm controlling my system with a Harmony 900. I hope that thing isn't the culprit! I checked my cable box and cannot find any way to adjust its volume. I pulled out the remote that it came with (I had to put in batteries to use it) and tried playing with the volume there but it's trying to change the TV set's volume which I also don't use.
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Most cable boxes that I've seen put a volume control bar on the TV's screen to watch as you adjust it - try the tv's own remote's volume control to make sure whether what you're seeing on screen is the TV's volume level display or the cable box's volume level display - if you never use either it's easy to mistake one for the other

--Phil.
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post #24765 of 25196
3/8/13 at 11:43pm
Hello, has anyone tried playing the Bluray movie "Thumbelina" on this player? I tried playing I recently bought from Amazon and the player says no disc. I checked the disc and it's clean, no scratches, no cracks and etc... Should I contact OPPO for support or wait for firmware upgrade or should I return and get a replacement? I even tried playing on my PS3 but still has the same result. Please advise before I return to Amazon. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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post #24766 of 25196
3/9/13 at 12:23am
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Hello, has anyone tried playing the Bluray movie "Thumbelina" on this player? I tried playing I recently bought from Amazon and the player says no disc. I checked the disc and it's clean, no scratches, no cracks and etc... Should I contact OPPO for support or wait for firmware upgrade or should I return and get a replacement? I even tried playing on my PS3 but still has the same result. Please advise before I return to Amazon. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I did a search on Thumbelina and there were no hits in the Blu-ray player threads, and no signs of a problem for the whole release. It sounds like your copy is defective.

Before you return it to Amazon, I would try giving it a bath. The fact that you can't see a problem doesn't mean that there isn't something from production that will wash off. Warm water, mild detergent, and a good rinse. Dry the disk with a soft lint free cotton cloth or micro fiber cloth. If that doesn't work send it back for an exchange.

According to Amazon the Blu-ray version was released Mar 6, 2012, so it's not a problem related to a brand new release.
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post #24767 of 25196
3/9/13 at 1:55am
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Hello, has anyone tried playing the Bluray movie "Thumbelina" on this player? I tried playing I recently bought from Amazon and the player says no disc. I checked the disc and it's clean, no scratches, no cracks and etc... Should I contact OPPO for support or wait for firmware upgrade or should I return and get a replacement? I even tried playing on my PS3 but still has the same result. Please advise before I return to Amazon. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I agree with htwaits.

Especially with Blu-ray discs anything on the surface of the disc can pose issues. Sometimes you'll buy a disc that still has a film on it that while it may not be visible it is there and will prevent a drive/player from reading the disc. That's part of the process of production that may not be totally removed. The disc may visually appear perfect. I've personally experienced this problem more than once. On one occassion I ran into this with the release of an imported Korean horror movie on Blu-ray. After seeing that numerous devices failed to acknowledge and read the disc I carefully cleaned the disc which removed a film that was nearly invisible to the naked eye. Once that was done the disc was fine and every device can read it without issue.
Edited by Kincaid - 3/9/13 at 2:02am
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post #24768 of 25196
3/9/13 at 8:59am
Thanks for the suggestion htwaits, that trick might have done something because now Oppo is saying Unknown disc instead of the previous message of No disc. I'm going to go ahead and return to Amazon. Even if doing all kind of troubleshooting with it and it's working later on, I'm not going to be comfortable keeping it knowing it was not working in the beginning. Thanks for all the suggestions.
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post #24769 of 25196
3/9/13 at 10:48am
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Thanks for the suggestion htwaits.
You're welcome. smile.gif
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post #24770 of 25196
3/9/13 at 10:28pm
Help? I'm playing a MKV file from a blu ray. The display shows 23 chapters. I made the mistake of pressing the rev button to re watch a scene but the movie went to the beginning. Now I am trying to jump forward to the chapter I was at. The next button takes me to the next chapter but only after a 5 minute delay. If I press the next button more than once I get the red warning. At this rate it will take me hours to return to my previous point. This has happened before. Is there a menu I have avoided or I am just doomed to watch it again?
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post #24771 of 25196
3/9/13 at 10:50pm
I tried stopping & restarting. I found the go to button. Rolled it up to ch19 & pressed enter. Going on 20 minutes without a picture. I think this is an argument for retaining the physical disc. Never had a delay with those.
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post #24772 of 25196
3/10/13 at 12:43pm
For some reason my Velodyne subwoofer is not responding during Blu-ray/DVD viewing. It is set to auto-on and works fine with Comcast cable (which is routed thru the Oppo) and my Yamaha CD player. I did the test tone in the Oppo audio set up and indeed the subwoofer emits no tone even when I manually turn on the subwoofer. I've had the Oppo for a couple of months and the subwoofer was working until recently. Any ideas?
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post #24773 of 25196
3/10/13 at 6:06pm
^Wrong thread? Did you mean 103 instead of 93?
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post #24774 of 25196
3/10/13 at 8:05pm
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Hello, has anyone tried playing the Bluray movie "Thumbelina" on this player? I tried playing I recently bought from Amazon and the player says no disc. I checked the disc and it's clean, no scratches, no cracks and etc.

Apart from cleaning the disc (which I understand you have since tried), have you attempted:

1. Erasing persistent storage before playing
2. Enable and disable BD-Live before playing
3. Add a flashdrive to a USB port to act as larger memory store for the player

Sometimes titles use a large amount of memory to run the Java programs on the disc, that exceeds the available storage and can cause issues. I wish the studios wouldn't do this as it can cause issues like you are experiencing.
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post #24775 of 25196
3/10/13 at 8:11pm
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Help? I'm playing a MKV file from a blu ray. The display shows 23 chapters. I made the mistake of pressing the rev button to re watch a scene but the movie went to the beginning. Now I am trying to jump forward to the chapter I was at. The next button takes me to the next chapter but only after a 5 minute delay. If I press the next button more than once I get the red warning. At this rate it will take me hours to return to my previous point. This has happened before. Is there a menu I have avoided or I am just doomed to watch it again?

IIRC, the Oppo 93 supports chapter navigation in mkv format. Perhaps the mkv has been created poorly.

You can try remuxing it with mkvtoolnix and see if it makes a difference, otherwise perhaps FF.

Alternatively, convert the mkv to BDMV folder with ClownBD and see if it helps: Bluray structure is definitely better supported than mkv, but comes at the expense of a slightly larger file due to the m2ts overheads and a folder of files instead of a single file.

Have just realised that I might be incorrectly interpreting what you are playing: is the mkv on a BD-R disc, local HDD or streamed via the network? I"m not sure if chapter navigation is supported with streaming, but it should be from a local HDD and I think from a BD-R. Try the file on a local HDD or USB flashdrive and see if it works any better.
Edited by IanD - 3/11/13 at 1:55am
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3/11/13 at 4:49pm
anyone know when the next FW is coming out?
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post #24777 of 25196
3/11/13 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

hi10p is not supported on the player, but the video image should just be corrupt (blurring, smearing, incorrect colors, etc) but the playback should still be smooth.

This is true for even the BDP-10x series of players. MediaTek is not supporting hi10p despite my request for the past 2 and a half years that they needed to add it to their chipset capabilities.

This "lack-of-feature" is now becoming a major pain-in-the-butt. I never asked nor wanted Hi10P BUT the ripping community is now using this quite a bit it seems. Basically smaller files result from using this format. If the BD-10x players supported this feature it would be a major temptation to upgrade. Alas no frown.gif

MediaTek should get it's act together.
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post #24778 of 25196
3/11/13 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

anyone know when the next FW is coming out?

good. its been a while since we have gotten one. I think the oppo 103 has taken that spot for the newer firmware updates.
are you still having some issues?

Jacob
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3/11/13 at 6:19pm
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good. its been a while since we have gotten one. I think the oppo 103 has taken that spot for the newer firmware updates.
are you still having some issues?

Jacob

Just the one's I've talked about, but I think a new FW will knock some of weirdness out.
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post #24780 of 25196
3/11/13 at 6:29pm
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Just the one's I've talked about, but I think a new FW will knock some of weirdness out.
Are you sure about that? Seems I recall one of your complaints centered on your belief that it was a firmware update that, to use your own metaphor.......knocked some of the weirdness in.
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