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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

This is a quibble, but Neuromancer and OPPO are not "you guys". Neuromancer is his own guy. biggrin.gif

Neuromancer and some other "owner/beta testers" only add clarity to the world of OPPO owners.

my quote was about oppo in general. neuromancer is part of that team.

Jacob
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We here at "Bob Pariseau" thank you for your kind words.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Long-time observers here have concluded Neuromancer is a distributed, machine intelligence occupying the vastness of the Internet.

Cool, eh?
--Bob

Big deal. I'm a border collie typing with both paws.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Long-time observers here have concluded Neuromancer is a distributed, machine intelligence occupying the vastness of the Internet.

Cool, eh?
--Bob
I just hope his name isn't HAL...!!!
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Somebody throw Bill a bone here.

* posts mandatory picture of Dr. Evil *

--Bob
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All of the above must be the OPPO Cloud at work.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Long-time observers here have concluded Neuromancer is a distributed, machine intelligence occupying the vastness of the Internet.

I just might be an Replicant. It is only a matter of time until I "retire" because I was designed to only work for 7 years. It has almost been 8. Would explain why you are seeing less and less of me online as I don't have the "time" to mess around on the interwebs.
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^^^^ "You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave!" biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Redbeemer View Post

I just heard that Oppo had released a new Public Beta for the 103 and 105 which allows them to play DSD files
Dang it! Looks like I'm going to have to buy an Oppo 103/105 now!


Max
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Long-time observers here have concluded Neuromancer is a distributed, machine intelligence occupying the vastness of the Internet.

Cool, eh?
--Bob

Nice William Gibson novel reference. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Dang it! Looks like I'm going to have to buy an Oppo 103/105 now!


Max

ISO-playing 93 + DSD-playing 103 = winner.

Too bad they can't be combined into one machine.
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Dang it! Looks like I'm going to have to buy an Oppo 103/105 now!


Max

ISO-playing 93 + DSD-playing 103 = winner.

Too bad they can't be combined into one machine.
If they could combine those 2 features, Wow...
But yeah, I guess I'll have to live with 2 separate Oppos. On the plus side, I'll be able to update one of them without worry and the 103, and even the 105, are way cheaper than a Korg MR2000S for DSD playback (or even the not-for-US-release DS-DAC-10).


Max
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

If they could combine those 2 features, Wow...
But yeah, I guess I'll have to live with 2 separate Oppos. On the plus side, I'll be able to update one of them without worry and the 103, and even the 105, are way cheaper than a Korg MR2000S for DSD playback (or even the not-for-US-release DS-DAC-10).


Max

Exactly. And as you said, the 103/105 can be updated, while the 93 is there for ISOs and Cinavia-infected files.
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Dang it! Looks like I'm going to have to buy an Oppo 103/105 now!


Max

ISO-playing 93 + DSD-playing 103 = winner.

Too bad they can't be combined into one machine.
Just keep the 103 up to date and enjoy. biggrin.gif

If I ever add the 103 I have space in the rack where our unused HD-DVD player is sitting. eek.gif
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

Exactly. And as you said, the 103/105 can be updated, while the 93 is there for ISOs and Cinavia-infected files.
I have a ISO 93. How common is a Cinavia-infected file?
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Just keep the 103 up to date and enjoy. biggrin.gif

If I ever add the 103 I have space in the rack where our unused HD-DVD player is sitting. eek.gif

For me, it will be time to finally retire my original fat PS3.
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Originally Posted by Geezer View Post

I have a ISO 93. How common is a Cinavia-infected file?

Mostly Sony titles currently. Whether more studios use Cinavia in the future is anyone's guess.
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Originally Posted by Geezer View Post

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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

Exactly. And as you said, the 103/105 can be updated, while the 93 is there for ISOs and Cinavia-infected files.
I have a ISO 93. How common is a Cinavia-infected file?
So far mostly Sony controlled releases. There seem to be more recently.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

So far mostly Sony controlled releases. There seem to be more recently.

+1
I find my self checking each Sony release carefully these days for Cinavia and if present, will only buy the release if really pushed because it is one I really want to add to my collection. eek.gif
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Originally Posted by Rick R View Post

+1
I find my self checking each Sony release carefully these days for Cinavia and if present, will only buy the release if really pushed because it is one I really want to add to my collection. eek.gif
I guess I don't understand what the problem is with Cinavia encoded discs as it relates to playing them on your player. Please explain.
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

I guess I don't understand what the problem is with Cinavia encoded discs as it relates to playing them on your player. Please explain.

It's not the playing part, just the principle of so called HD audio claimed to be bit for bit identical to the studio master, it isn't when some one has gone and added something that wasn't there when the audio was recorded
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

I guess I don't understand what the problem is with Cinavia encoded discs as it relates to playing them on your player. Please explain.

For a normal "disk" user there isn't any issues. But for folks like myself that like to backup "all" of my movies on my NAS (rarely do we ever use the shiny disk after that) it limits you to movie only, no chapters or a one for one full copy of your disk etc. And sure, its to prevent piracy and I respect that yet I'm still of the thought that once I pay for it I should be able to use it like I want to... But, rules are rules and Sony's lawyers would tell you otherwise..biggrin.gif

Cheers
Edited by KJSmitty - 3/30/13 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by Rick R View Post

It's not the playing part, just the principle of so called HD audio claimed to be bit for bit identical to the studio master, it isn't when some one has gone and added something that wasn't there when the audio was recorded
So are you saying that lossless sound tracks are not truly lossless?
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

So are you saying that lossless sound tracks are not truly lossless?

Cinavia adds a watermark to the audio track which is supposed to be inaudible. I make no judgment on that.

Note this is the same audio you hear in the theater, watermark and all.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Cinavia adds a watermark to the audio track which is supposed to be inaudible. I make no judgment on that.

Note this is the same audio you hear in the theater, watermark and all.

-Bill
I know what a watermark is in a visual application but how does that work in an audio application if you supposedly can't hear it? I mean, what would I be listening for?
Or is it some kind of security marker that prevents the track from playing if it's perceived by Cinavia codecs to not be there when it's supposed to be? And how would that truly affect lossless audio if you're just playing a disc on the player?
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Honestly, I don't think you can hear it, but I'm sure some will dispute that and I don't want to start an argument.

The wikipedia has a few technical details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

-Bill
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Thanks Bill. That wiki link splained it well enough.

I'm not quite sure how this discussion even got started in this thread since neither the 93 or 95 players can detect Cinavia. cool.gif

On this subject, does this mean that at some point down the road we might see a discontinuation of the studio's attempts to constantly change security codecs on blu-rays since it seems this Cinavia stuff kind of does the job on stiffling attempts to copy media?
Edited by Torqdog - 3/30/13 at 11:00am
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

Thanks Bill. That wiki link splained it well enough.

I'm not quite sure how this discussion even got started in this thread since neither the 93 or 95 players can detect Cinavia. cool.gif

On this subject, does this mean that at some point down the road we might see a discontinuation of the studio's attempts to constantly change security codecs on blu-rays since it seems this Cinavia stuff kind of does the job on stiffling attempts to copy media?
I started the discussion as I was visiting the idea of upgrading to the newer model. As others here admitted, I copy all my discs to my NAS for instant streaming to my AV system. I do not wish to give up this ability so I am stuck with last years technology. I'm sure at one point in the future the new player's abilities will outweigh what I give up with my 93, but now is not the time.
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Or as an alternative, some of us may elect to use 2 players (93 and 103) to take advantage of what each player offers. The 103 has progressed in some areas and regressed in other areas, at least for digital playback.

If you only play shiny discs (which is what the studios prefer), then it wouldn't really affect you. Some of us prefer the advantages of using digital backups of the material we purchase.
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

Or as an alternative, some of us may elect to use 2 players (93 and 103) to take advantage of what each player offers. The 103 has progressed in some areas and regressed in other areas, at least for digital playback.

If you only play shiny discs (which is what the studios prefer), then it wouldn't really affect you. Some of us prefer the advantages of using digital backups of the material we purchase.

True,
I have my ISO capable 93 in the HT rack. We typically only watch VUDU or non-3D movies off the NAS in the HT thus there it will stay. Our 103 sits in the great room system where we utilize all streaming sources, 3D and rented disks. The 103 will probably receive all public updates unless they terminate M2TS (movie only) file playback as we do utilize the NAS through the 103 as well.

It pains me to think that someday my reasoning for the NAS and the 36TB of HD's could be useless for our video enjoyment....

Cheers
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