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Limitation: it's been mentioned before.

Blu-ray and DVD use graphic subtitles. In the case of DVD you can copy those into the MKV and they will display just the same as on the disc.

The Blu-ray subtitle format in not supported in MKV on the OPPO.

When you use text-based subtitles like SRT or SSA the player has to render the font and it only uses it's built in default.

Text fonts can be external or embedded: I recall one way looked slightly better than the other, but I don't recall which now.

-Bill
post #24902 of 26595
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Limitation: it's been mentioned before.

Blu-ray and DVD use graphic subtitles. In the case of DVD you can copy those into the MKV and they will display just the same as on the disc.

The Blu-ray subtitle format in not supported in MKV on the OPPO.

When you use text-based subtitles like SRT or SSA the player has to render the font and it only uses it's built in default.

Text fonts can be external or embedded: I recall one way looked slightly better than the other, but I don't recall which now.

-Bill

Thanks Bill,

I have sent OPPO support a request for greater control over the built-in font. Basically a "size" control would solve my biggest gripe (the tinyness of the subtitle font) with the 93 player.

Dennis.
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Just want to say I am the proud new owner of the 93. Got it hooked up today and started watching The Hobbit. I am very impressed with the Oppo when compared to my old fat PS3. I love getting new ht equipment.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2
post #24904 of 26595
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Originally Posted by flashman03 View Post

Just want to say I am the proud new owner of the 93. Got it hooked up today and started watching The Hobbit. I am very impressed with the Oppo when compared to my old fat PS3. I love getting new ht equipment.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

Welcome to the club!
post #24905 of 26595
Today's Dilbert comic strip instantly made me think of the BDP-93..

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2013-04-05/
post #24906 of 26595
^ If all the normal buttons are easily located, how will you ever find the secret button?
--Bob
post #24907 of 26595
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Originally Posted by dlb99 View Post

Thanks Bill,

I have sent OPPO support a request for greater control over the built-in font. Basically a "size" control would solve my biggest gripe (the tinyness of the subtitle font) with the 93 player.

Dennis.

I got a response from OPPO support:

"The ability to adjust the font color and size is something that we are investigating, but at this time the styling on our players is non adjustable for subtitles."

I strongly encouraged OPPO to continue their investigation. Usability wise the current font is very problematic on my setup; it is borderline unreadable on my 42 inch screen. Bigger would be way better in my instance.

Dennis.
post #24908 of 26595
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Originally Posted by dlb99 View Post

I got a response from OPPO support:

"The ability to adjust the font color and size is something that we are investigating, but at this time the styling on our players is non adjustable for subtitles."

I strongly encouraged OPPO to continue their investigation. Usability wise the current font is very problematic on my setup; it is borderline unreadable on my 42 inch screen. Bigger would be way better in my instance.

Dennis.

I agree. I know that avatar subtitles are in yellow. however most subtitles are in white. it would be great to change the color a least.

Jacob
post #24909 of 26595
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Originally Posted by dlb99 View Post

I strongly encouraged OPPO to continue their investigation. Usability wise the current font is very problematic on my setup; it is borderline unreadable on my 42 inch screen. Bigger would be way better in my instance.
The obvious solution is to get a larger display and sit the same distance from it. Not only will the subtitles be bigger and easier to read, but everything else will be bigger too. biggrin.gif
post #24910 of 26595
MKV may be convenient, but greater functionality can be obtained from Bluray structure (ie chapter navigation, menus, extras, full HD audio support and PGS subtitle support) and if you still have ISO capability, that Bluray structure can be in the form of a single ISO file, similar to having a single mkv file.

It is relatively easy to convert an mkv file and srt subtitles into a Bluray structure with customised PGS subtitles that will only be a little larger than the mkv file (due to m2ts overheads), but have much better playing characteristics.

The only disadvantage is that 1280x720p24 material is not supported.
post #24911 of 26595
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

I agree. I know that avatar subtitles are in yellow. however most subtitles are in white. it would be great to change the color a least.

Jacob

In the case of Avatar, the yellow subtitles are part of the actual film image, unlike regular subtitles for various languages, and can't be changed.

These yellow subtitles are for people who don't speak Na'vi. Which is everyone in the known universe. smile.gif
post #24912 of 26595
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Originally Posted by Kilgore View Post

In the case of Avatar, the yellow subtitles are part of the actual film image, unlike regular subtitles for various languages, and can't be changed.

These yellow subtitles are for people who don't speak Na'vi. Which is everyone in the known universe. smile.gif

I just stating that avatar was the only where I saw that it was a differnt color. I think yellow is a good color for subtitles.

Jacob
post #24913 of 26595
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Originally Posted by dlb99 View Post

I got a response from OPPO support:

"The ability to adjust the font color and size is something that we are investigating, but at this time the styling on our players is non adjustable for subtitles."

I strongly encouraged OPPO to continue their investigation. Usability wise the current font is very problematic on my setup; it is borderline unreadable on my 42 inch screen. Bigger would be way better in my instance.

Dennis.

Don't want to dampen your enthusiasm, Dennis, but I've been harping on about this for quite some time without any joy. Even my old Oppo DVD player had a choice of subtitle sizes, but for some reason the 93 doesn't. I'm guessing most users don't find it a problem, even though it bugs the hell out of me (and you).
post #24914 of 26595
Who needs subtitles?!!!

j/k biggrin.gif
post #24915 of 26595
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

I just stating that avatar was the only where I saw that it was a differnt color. I think yellow is a good color for subtitles.

Jacob

Jacob, Avatar is not the only title to use yellow subtitles. The company Sentai with its Japanese anime blu-rays (e.g Mardock Scramble, Children Who Chase Lost Voices) uses yellow subtitles. They are simply superb. Extremely readable and FAR superior to any white based subtitle fonts I have ever come across.

See the following image: http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9455/412432-screenshot001_super.jpg (note, the black outline is WAY exaggerated in this low-res image)

My ideal for OPPO is for it to use a nicer Sans Serif font (e.g. Liberation Sans or DejaVu Sans) with a black outline and user selected inner color (white, cream, yellow) and user selected size.

Note after speaking with OPPO support again the issue is not them, they already know about this issue, the issue is with Mediatek who refuse to enhance their firmware. Mediatek also refuse to support 10-bit H264/Hi10. Same with WMA Pro. And on and on and on. I officially hate Mediatek and I hope OPPO dumps them for future players. Surely Sigma is not that bad? Sigma based players (such as Dune) have the subtitle adjustment (size/color) that OPPO players could well do with.

Dennis.
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Hi folks,

I currently have a Oppo 83 player with new Panasonic 3D plasma. I love the player and wouldn't consider upgrading at this point but I thought it would be fun to watch a movie in 3D once and a while.

With the introduction of the 103 I thought maybe I could get a 93 on the cheap but what I'm seeing on amazon for both new and used are prices that are more then $499.

Considering that my current 83 does everything I need (CD, Blu-Ray, SCAD, & DVD-A) are there any reasons as to why I should consider paying more for a 93 rather than just going with the new 103?

Thanks
post #24917 of 26595
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Originally Posted by weekendtoy View Post

Hi folks,

I currently have a Oppo 83 player with new Panasonic 3D plasma. I love the player and wouldn't consider upgrading at this point but I thought it would be fun to watch a movie in 3D once and a while.

With the introduction of the 103 I thought maybe I could get a 93 on the cheap but what I'm seeing on amazon for both new and used are prices that are more then $499.

Considering that my current 83 does everything I need (CD, Blu-Ray, SCAD, & DVD-A) are there any reasons as to why I should consider paying more for a 93 rather than just going with the new 103?

Thanks

You can see the differences between each player generation in the FAQs:

For basic disc playback the upgrades are not as important as for other new features: network apps, media files, etc.

The models currently in production will get more frequent firmware updates than older models, but this hasn't been a problem for disc playback recently.

The -103 drops component video, but that's important to a diminishing population.

It adds Cinavia watermark detection, but that is important only to people who are copying their discs.

-Bill
post #24918 of 26595
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Originally Posted by weekendtoy View Post

Hi folks,

I currently have a Oppo 83 player with new Panasonic 3D plasma. I love the player and wouldn't consider upgrading at this point but I thought it would be fun to watch a movie in 3D once and a while.

With the introduction of the 103 I thought maybe I could get a 93 on the cheap but what I'm seeing on amazon for both new and used are prices that are more then $499.

Considering that my current 83 does everything I need (CD, Blu-Ray, SCAD, & DVD-A) are there any reasons as to why I should consider paying more for a 93 rather than just going with the new 103?

Thanks

Consider buying a Panasonic 3D BR player and keep your oppo. Or just buy a 103 that has one big advantage over a 93: it has no fan and runs very cool.
post #24919 of 26595
Just read most of the way through the 93 / 103 differences FAQ and am confused about one point.

In the section about what's the same, it says:

Netflix (upgraded to support 1080p, 5.1 audio, subtitles)

When was the 93 upgraded in this way? (I'm running the most recent official firmware.)

I've never seen fit to subscribe to Netflix, since my Roku XD|S is limited to 720p/stereo from Netflix, and my AVR has no HDMI input, forcing me to use an old Roku for an optical output so I can at least have 720p/5.1 from some Amazon Prime material.

(I assume only a little Netflix material is actually in 1080p/5.1 - which is probably not lossless audio, but I only demand top quality for things I buy rather than stream.)

-Phil
post #24920 of 26595
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

Consider buying a Panasonic 3D BR player and keep your oppo. Or just buy a 103 that has one big advantage over a 93: it has no fan and runs very cool.

The 93 is fanless as well - only the 95 has a fan.
post #24921 of 26595
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

Just read most of the way through the 93 / 103 differences FAQ and am confused about one point.

In the section about what's the same, it says:

Netflix (upgraded to support 1080p, 5.1 audio, subtitles)

When was the 93 upgraded in this way? (I'm running the most recent official firmware.)

I've never seen fit to subscribe to Netflix, since my Roku XD|S is limited to 720p/stereo, and my AVR has no HDMI input, forcing me to use an old Roku for an optical output so I can at least have 720p/5.1 from some Amazon Prime material.

(I assume only a little Netflix material is actually in 1080p/5.1 - which is probably not lossless audio, but I only demand top quality for things I buy rather than stream.)

Sorry, perhaps that's confusing. It's in the -103 FAQ. The -103 is the same as the -93 in having Netflix, but the -103 adds 1080p, 5.1 and subtitles.

-Bill
post #24922 of 26595
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

The 93 is fanless as well - only the 95 has a fan.

But the 93 does not run nearly as cool as the 103. Just open the tray after running a CD or BR and see for yourself. I have both.
post #24923 of 26595
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

But the 93 does not run nearly as cool as the 103. Just open the tray after running a CD or BR and see for yourself. I have both.
Think they were just pointing out your misinformation. Not debating that the 103 runs cooler.
post #24924 of 26595
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

You can see the differences between each player generation in the FAQs:

For basic disc playback the upgrades are not as important as for other new features: network apps, media files, etc.

The models currently in production will get more frequent firmware updates than older models, but this hasn't been a problem for disc playback recently.

The -103 drops component video, but that's important to a diminishing population.

It adds Cinavia watermark detection, but that is important only to people who are copying their discs.

-Bill

Bill,

Thanks for the FAQs ! Two things stood out to me:

1) Same DAC's in all three models 83-93-103.

2) The 93 and 103 dropped the 2 channel analog outs. I use the two channel analog outs to supply a small headphone amplifier for those late night listening sessions.

I'm starting to warm up to fookoo's idea of just getting a seperate player for 3D playback. I could probably get into a Panasonic DMP-BDT 220 player for less then the net upgrade cost to a 93 or 103.

Thanks for all the kind replys so far.
post #24925 of 26595
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Originally Posted by weekendtoy View Post

1) Same DAC's in all three models 83-93-103.

2) The 93 and 103 dropped the 2 channel analog outs. I use the two channel analog outs to supply a small headphone amplifier for those late night listening sessions.

Note that the -95 and -105 are the audiophile versions of the recent players. They have different DACs and dedicated stereo. More expensive, too.

-Bill
post #24926 of 26595
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Originally Posted by weekendtoy View Post

Bill,


2) The 93 and 103 dropped the 2 channel analog outs. I use the two channel analog outs to supply a small headphone amplifier for those late night listening sessions.

Well my 93 still has analog outputs. I use them to feed zone 2 on my Anthem AVR.
post #24927 of 26595
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

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Originally Posted by weekendtoy View Post

Bill,


2) The 93 and 103 dropped the 2 channel analog outs. I use the two channel analog outs to supply a small headphone amplifier for those late night listening sessions.

Well my 93 still has analog outputs. I use them to feed zone 2 on my Anthem AVR.

That's a good point. Even without dedicated stereo you can assign the player downmix to stereo and use the FR/FL outputs for a stereo feed.

-Bill
post #24928 of 26595
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Originally Posted by weekendtoy View Post

Thanks for the FAQs ! Two things stood out to me:

1) Same DAC's in all three models 83-93-103.
All 3 use the same DAC's, but the analog board implementation as a whole has gotten progressively better with each generation of player. There's more to the quality of the sound than just the DAC chip that's used.
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2) The 93 and 103 dropped the 2 channel analog outs. I use the two channel analog outs to supply a small headphone amplifier for those late night listening sessions.
As others have suggested, you can set a 2 channel downmix so you can just use the front left/right outputs. If you were also using the multichannel outputs for another purpose, then it would be a problem.
post #24929 of 26595
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Well my 93 still has analog outputs. I use them to feed zone 2 on my Anthem AVR.

Ok thanks. I guess I read it wrong.

Excerpt from 'How is the 93 different from the 83':

These features are subtracted:
•No dedicated analog stereo output (use the FR & FL 7.1 connections with the proper downmix setting)


The players still have the two channel analog outs ?

I did the 'ol $1,000 universal player thing when I bought my Denon 2900 back in the day. I'm more budget consious these days it seem like.


Dan
post #24930 of 26595
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Originally Posted by weekendtoy View Post


Ok thanks. I guess I read it wrong.

Excerpt from 'How is the 93 different from the 83':

These features are subtracted:
•No dedicated analog stereo output (use the FR & FL 7.1 connections with the proper downmix setting)


The players still have the two channel analog outs ?

They don't have dedicated 2-channel, but they have 7.1. You can use the FL/FR for stereo purposes.

-Bill
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