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post #25231 of 26598
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The BDP-103 supports DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD in MKV. The difference is the software kit that Mediatek provides for each player.

-Bill



I guess a good feature for those that need, I just haven't run into a disc or stream that the 93 won't play smile.gif
post #25232 of 26598
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Originally Posted by comicguy View Post

This question is for the rare few people that still have ISO capability left on their units. I have searched and could not find an answer. If I were to install the region free mod on my ISO capable 93 would I then be able to play back ISO rips from a different region? Say, I have a bunch of Region two discs that I have ripped to ISO and store on an attached hard drive, after setting the oppo 93 for region 2 would I be able to play those rips from an attached hard drive? My 93 has played EVERY ISO i have thrown at it all the way to Jack Reacher, but I have heard some people that try to play an actual round shiny thing in an ISO capable 93 sometimes run into issues on the newer titles. I am wondering if I will be able to watch some Region 2 blu rays via the attached hard drive..
Thanks in advance!

As rdgrimes says, the usual process of ripping to ISO involves removing the region code, but if for some reason you don't remove it (I've made this mistake myself), then yes, using the region-free mod to change the Oppo to the right region will make the ISO work.
post #25233 of 26598
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I wasn't sure about that but the thing is it delivers DTS and that's why his AV displays it. Other than MKV being open source I don't much about it. I know all the pirate movie makers use it and I'm assuming that's because it's open source, also why Oppo probably doesn't support it. If his AV is saying DTS I'm assuming that's what it's playing.
Yeah. Thought it was weird that my AV displays DTS-HD Mstr when playing an MKV when the 93 isn't supposed to support it.

I guess it's an error on my AV's end.
Edited by southlick - 6/8/13 at 11:44am
post #25234 of 26598
According to this thread, a software beta was released in March.... any idea when a final version might see light of day?
post #25235 of 26598
^ ^

I was curious about this as well.
post #25236 of 26598
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Originally Posted by comicguy View Post

This question is for the rare few people that still have ISO capability left on their units. I have searched and could not find an answer. If I were to install the region free mod on my ISO capable 93 would I then be able to play back ISO rips from a different region? Say, I have a bunch of Region two discs that I have ripped to ISO and store on an attached hard drive, after setting the oppo 93 for region 2 would I be able to play those rips from an attached hard drive? My 93 has played EVERY ISO i have thrown at it all the way to Jack Reacher, but I have heard some people that try to play an actual round shiny thing in an ISO capable 93 sometimes run into issues on the newer titles. I am wondering if I will be able to watch some Region 2 blu rays via the attached hard drive.

There are a couple of aspects to this question.

Firstly, a region mod kit will allow you to switch the region setting of the Oppo to match that of the disc (or ISO) you are playing.

When creating an ISO, the better software will remove region coding and make the ISO effectively all region ABC. As such, if you have the right ripping software and ISO capability, you theoretically never need a region mod kit, because you can rip any discs that don't match your Oppo region and make them match.

Finally, the studios are continually changing the DRM on their discs and it is generally this that creates playback issues (not related to region code). Unfortunately, with an ISO Oppo, one dare not upgrade the player firmware to handle these problematic discs as you lose the ISO capability. There is an up side to keeping ISO though, in that if you have ISO capability and rip the problematic discs, the playback issues are also often removed along with the region code.

If you have ISO capability, ripping discs gives you more benefit than a region mod kit, because not only is a region mod kit no longer needed, but it can also help with problematic discs. AnyDVD HD is the leading ripping software IMO, and although not cheap has many features that can help with difficult titles.
post #25237 of 26598
Does anyone have a link to the EU ISO firmware at all?

I did following the link on page 667, but it doesn't work.

Thanks
post #25238 of 26598
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The 93 & 95 both support DD+ audio up to 7.1, both for decoding in the player (for HDMI LPCM or Analog output) and for HDMI Bitstream output.

For example, check out the free 2 minute preview of "Toy Story 3", HDX Stream in the VUDU app. That's a DD+ 7.1 track.

I don't know the answer to your containers questions.

Thanks for the answer Bob.

I have attempted to mux a DD+ soundtrack into an mkv with mkvmerge and I can confirm that the mkv plays fine in an Oppo 93 via HDMI LPCM.

The interesting thing is that the Oppo Info button suggests the soundtrack is TrueHD, when it is only DD+, however as long as I get the full quality, I don't care what it calls it.

I have even more reason to be thankful I purchased an Oppo 93, as I can now playback some of my remaining HD-DVD titles with full audio quality, better than the equivalent Bluray titles, even though I no longer have an HD-DVD player.
post #25239 of 26598
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Originally Posted by SFNSXguy View Post

According to this thread, a software beta was released in March.... any idea when a final version might see light of day?

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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

^ ^

I was curious about this as well.
+1
I'd hate to think that they abandoned the 93/95 players midstream in the middle of a FW update. eek.gif

I'm more likely to believe that, for the most part what they are offering is more updates for new "general disc compatibility improvements" and as long as no-one is squakin too loudly, there's no perceived reason to rush.

Again, the phrase to remember here, as it pertains to our trusty "old school" players is........"if it ain't broke, don't fix it". wink.gif
post #25240 of 26598
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Originally Posted by tarpot View Post

Does anyone have a link to the EU ISO firmware at all?

I did following the link on page 667, but it doesn't work.

It's not possible to downgrade Oppo firmware, so if you have already upgraded beyond the last ISO capable firmware, then the ISO capability has been lost.
post #25241 of 26598
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Originally Posted by SFNSXguy View Post

According to this thread, a software beta was released in March.... any idea when a final version might see light of day?

There were indications that OPPO wanted to do another Beta to fix a few more, pending bugs before making an Official release. But no word on when that might happen. My guess would be when things settle down a bit more on the 103/105 work.
--Bob
post #25242 of 26598
I have my 93 hooked up to a Panasonic 65VT30 and a Panasonic AE4000U via a Integra DTR70.4, there are various components in between such as a Matrix HDMI switch and a 2 way splitter for headphones etc.

I have noticed HDMI Sparkles on the Oppo logo screen when no disc is inserted, I also notice the receiver go in and out of sync. This happens on both TV and Projector. I don't see it when I'm actually playing a source but I assume they are still there. Have included a pic so you can see what it looks like.

I have found that the reason for this is I had Deepcolor set to 36bits on the Oppo, (Color Space is set to Auto) If I turn it OFF, or change it to 30bits the HDMI sparkles disappear.
Does this mean something in my chain is not 36bit Deepcolor capable? Or an HDMI cable is faulty or not good enough?
Oppo firmware is at BDP9x-71-0723

post #25243 of 26598
^ This is a classic symptom of bandwidth limitations in the cabling. The "sparklies" are due to bit drop-outs -- bits in the video signal that didn't make it accurately to your display. Now keep in mind that the cabling includes EVERYTHING from end to end (HDMI is an end to end protocol). So it may not actually be a CABLE that's at fault. You mentioned an HDMI switch for instance, and that would always be one of the prime suspects. Any daisy-chained cables, adapters, wall plates, switches or other gizmos in the HDMI signal path might have problems at higher bandwidths. Some time back, wall plates (used to tidy up long cable runs to projectors) were notorious for failing at 1080p. The fan out and regathering of the twisted pair wiring at each such connection point is enough to cause problems. In addition, the plugs are only friction fit and it just takes a small shift of the plug in the socket to screw things up. This can happen due to cable weight or kinks/bends in the cabling near a socket.

The OPPO splash screen is 1080p/60. You may very well be playing your movies at 1080p/24 -- half the bandwidth, means less demands on the cable.

Reducing resolution or reducing Deep Color 36 bit or 30 bit to OFF (which means 24 bits per pixel) also reduces bandwidth. What makes it obvious that the problem is bit drop-outs in the signal path (cabling issues) is that the problem GOES AWAY if you reduce bandwidth on the cabling.

Anyway, what you are seeing on the splash screen is a fine test. Now you need to try replacing/bypassing all those things that are in the HDMI signal path until, by elimination, you identify what's causing the problem. It might indeed be a cable -- long cables are more suspect, but even very short cables can be a problem. For HDMI, 6 feet is kind of the sweet spot length for HDMI between any two active devices (things that consume or regenerate and pass on the HDMI signal).

It's a bit of a nuisance, but these sorts of problems are WELL WORTH resolving. Just take it in a logical fashion and you'll soon figure out what's causing the problem. Test at maximum bandwidth -- that's 1080p/60 at Deep Color 36-bit.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 6/9/13 at 11:07pm
post #25244 of 26598
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ This is a classic symptom of bandwidth limitations in the cabling ...............

It's a bit of a nuisance, but these sorts of problems are WELL WORTH resolving. Just take it in a logical fashion and you'll soon figure out what's causing the problem. Test at maximum bandwidth -- that's 1080p/60 at Deep Color 36-bit.
--Bob

Thanks for the informative answer Bob.
I have the Oppo connected as follows:

Oppo HDMI 1 --HDMI Cable--> 2Way HDMI splitter 1st port -- HDMI Cable--> Sony MDR-DS7500 Headphones receiver
2Way HDMI splitter 2nd port-- HDMI Cable--> Integra DTR-70.4 Main HDMI OUT --HDMI Cable--> 4 Way HDMI Matrix Switch --HDMI Cable--> Panasonic 65VT30 Plasma
Integra DTR-70.4 Sub HDMI OUT --10M HDMI Cable--> Darbee Darblet --1M HDMI Cable --> Panasonic AE4000U Projector

I guess I will start by isolating out the Oppo and connecting directly to the displays. Then connect back up as per above, and remove a single component out of the chain, this is going to be a PITA :P
post #25245 of 26598
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Originally Posted by jabz View Post


I guess I will start by isolating out the Oppo and connecting directly to the displays. Then connect back up as per above, and remove a single component out of the chain, this is going to be a PITA :P

There's no question you have a bandwidth limitation in the HDMI chain. It can be any one of those many components causing it. Unfortunately, it can also be some combination of components causing the signal loss. that's a significantly complex arrangement, and its not unexpected to see issues.

Start with the 1st HDMI splitter at the player. Eliminate it completely, cable direct to the AVR and see if the problem resolves.
post #25246 of 26598
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

There are a couple of aspects to this question.

Firstly, a region mod kit will allow you to switch the region setting of the Oppo to match that of the disc (or ISO) you are playing.

When creating an ISO, the better software will remove region coding and make the ISO effectively all region ABC. As such, if you have the right ripping software and ISO capability, you theoretically never need a region mod kit, because you can rip any discs that don't match your Oppo region and make them match.

Finally, the studios are continually changing the DRM on their discs and it is generally this that creates playback issues (not related to region code). Unfortunately, with an ISO Oppo, one dare not upgrade the player firmware to handle these problematic discs as you lose the ISO capability. There is an up side to keeping ISO though, in that if you have ISO capability and rip the problematic discs, the playback issues are also often removed along with the region code.

If you have ISO capability, ripping discs gives you more benefit than a region mod kit, because not only is a region mod kit no longer needed, but it can also help with problematic discs. AnyDVD HD is the leading ripping software IMO, and although not cheap has many features that can help with difficult titles.

Yep! Got it all figured out thanks to the help here. The ISO rips that gave me issues had NOT had their region removed by anydvd. (Probably due to operator error) Once that was taken care of I am all good. I have yet to have an ISO that has not played properly on my 93, and since I never play actual discs in it, the drm issue becomes a moot point or me. Of ourselves I am a sicko an have a backup 93 with ISO as well as a 95 ISO. :-)
post #25247 of 26598
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Originally Posted by jabz View Post

I have my 93 hooked up to a Panasonic 65VT30 and a Panasonic AE4000U via a Integra DTR70.4, there are various components in between such as a Matrix HDMI switch and a 2 way splitter for headphones etc.

I have noticed HDMI Sparkles on the Oppo logo screen when no disc is inserted, I also notice the receiver go in and out of sync. This happens on both TV and Projector. I don't see it when I'm actually playing a source but I assume they are still there. Have included a pic so you can see what it looks like.

I have found that the reason for this is I had Deepcolor set to 36bits on the Oppo, (Color Space is set to Auto) If I turn it OFF, or change it to 30bits the HDMI sparkles disappear.
Does this mean something in my chain is not 36bit Deepcolor capable? Or an HDMI cable is faulty or not good enough?
Oppo firmware is at BDP9x-71-0723


As others have said, this is a cabling issue. With the plethora of Free after rebate redmere cables from newegg lately, there is no reason to not get some! I have replaced ALL the cables (12 of them) in my living room system and all work flawlessly...
Now,if I can only figure out what I am going to do with the other 40 cables I have left....biggrin.gif
post #25248 of 26598
hi, i have a oppo 93.
i am trying to play audio files from a disk via the usb port.
what formats are playable, especially, via the optical audio output?
i am interested in 2 channels, 24bit, 88.2k and 96k. i noticed that 88.2 doesn't play.
is it possible to play 88.2k and up???

it plays flac files at 44.1 with 24bits fine.

thanks
tony
post #25249 of 26598
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Originally Posted by tlochner View Post

hi, i have a oppo 93.
i am trying to play audio files from a disk via the usb port.
what formats are playable, especially, via the optical audio output?
i am interested in 2 channels, 24bit, 88.2k and 96k. i noticed that 88.2 doesn't play.
is it possible to play 88.2k and up???

it plays flac files at 44.1 with 24bits fine.

thanks
tony

Supported file types and codecs are listed in the FAQ: What are the supported media container and file types?

Are all of your files FLAC?

-Bill
post #25250 of 26598
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Originally Posted by tlochner View Post

hi, i have a oppo 93.
i am trying to play audio files from a disk via the usb port.
what formats are playable, especially, via the optical audio output?
i am interested in 2 channels, 24bit, 88.2k and 96k. i noticed that 88.2 doesn't play.
is it possible to play 88.2k and up???

it plays flac files at 44.1 with 24bits fine.

thanks
tony

In the audio setup for the player, select the appropriate mode for SPDIF output, bitstream or PCM. If PCM, also select the max sample rate for the output. SPDIF should handle stereo up to 24/192, but the device on the other end must also support the sample rate being sent.
post #25251 of 26598
no they are .wav files.
does flac work differently than .wav ???

i have isolated the issue a bit.
it appears i have problems with 88.2k ... 96k plays fine.
it might be the rvcr i am playing thru can't handle 88.2k.

the issue started when a friend send me an .iso sacd rip of
dark side of the moon.
foobar will only output this sacd as 44.1, 88.2, or 176.4k as files (wav or flac)
i choose .wav and copied it to usb hd and tried on oppo.
it didn't play.

i thought you could play almost anything.
maybe its the rcvr, maybe 88.2k isn't supported over digital optical audio output?
trying to resolve issue for longer term.

in addition, it appears that you do not recognize .iso sacd disks on usb drive either.
thus my reason for ... all the above.

you might consider, supporting .iso sacd image playback.

any comment appreciated ...
tony
post #25252 of 26598
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Originally Posted by tlochner View Post

i have isolated the issue a bit.
it appears i have problems with 88.2k ... 96k plays fine. It might be the rvcr i am playing thru can't handle 88.2k.
Easy enough to check. Find any SACD disc and play it in the '93 connected to the receiver. If the receiver supports DSD, make sure the Oppo SACD output is set to PCM, but otherwise it will not matter, it will give PCM 88.2 kHz. If the receiver works, it's not a sample rate issue.
post #25253 of 26598
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Easy enough to check. Find any SACD disc and play it in the '93 connected to the receiver. If the receiver supports DSD, make sure the Oppo SACD output is set to PCM, but otherwise it will not matter, it will give PCM 88.2 kHz. If the receiver works, it's not a sample rate issue.

Just tested my EU version of the 93. No problems with 88.2K PCM from SACD over HDMI. I know mine plays FLAC@24/96 and 24/192 without any problems over HDMI (at least 2-channel). I have no multichannel to test with.
post #25254 of 26598
Guys...he's using optical.
post #25255 of 26598
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Originally Posted by fatherom View Post

Guys...he's using optical.

Sorry, I didn't get that.

Edit: Removed wrong information.
Edited by NORLL - 6/12/13 at 1:53pm
post #25256 of 26598
^ Uh, no. S/PDIF in the OPPO players (including the 93) can output stereo LPCM up to 192 KHz if the rate limit setting in Setup for Optical/Coax is set that high for LPCM output.

However, SACD discs can NOT be played via Optical/Coax at any output rate even if you select their Stereo track due to licensing limitations for SACD.
--Bob
post #25257 of 26598
Hi all.

When I set resolution to source and play a 720p file from the network my TV shows it as 1080p. If I set resolution to 720p the TV shows 720p. How do I get the source setting in resolution to display the correct resolution?

Background: I have a ps64e8000 tv and an running the old firmware with iso support on the OPPO.

My old avr broke and I've just changed to a Yamaha rxv473. I connect the Oppo directly to receiver via HDMI. Previously I had a direct connection from OPPO to the TV. The rxv473 doesn't upscale video.
post #25258 of 26598
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Originally Posted by Gialandon View Post

When I set resolution to source and play a 720p file from the network my TV shows it as 1080p. If I set resolution to 720p the TV shows 720p.

I'm assuming your 720p file is actually 720p24.

720p24 is not an HDMI standard, so the Oppo will scale it to 720p60 or 1080p24 (or 1080p60) depending on your output settings to make it compatible.

If the display can accept it, I recommend setting output to 1080p and 1080p24 to ON as it then provides consistent scaling to 1080p for all material (making use of the Oppo's excellent scaler) and maintains the source frame rate wherever possible.

If you absolutely must have 720p output, then you will not be able to maintain a 24fps frame rate.
post #25259 of 26598
Ahhh OK. I assumed that setting it to source direct would pass through the video and I thought I had set it up incorrectly.

I also have a couple of other questions;

I am on firmware bdp9x-61-1219. I had read somewhere that 720p upscaling was broken with this firmware. Is this correct?

I also read in a few other places that cinivea protection did not work with the OPPO 93. Is this true because I have recently started to get a warning when playing iso rips. For example about 5 min into Conan the barbarian I get a screen saying it is illegal to pirate videos and then I am returned to the main menu. I can't skip past this part of the movie.
post #25260 of 26598
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Originally Posted by Gialandon View Post

I also read in a few other places that cinivea protection did not work with the OPPO 93. Is this true because I have recently started to get a warning when playing iso rips. For example about 5 min into Conan the barbarian I get a screen saying it is illegal to pirate videos and then I am returned to the main menu. I can't skip past this part of the movie.

Don't worry about this part of the question
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