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I've had exactly ONE disc so far that wouldn't play on my ISO capable 93. It was Disney's BD release of 'Lady And The Tramp' That one forced me to rip the disc to the HDD as an ISO using the Speedmenu option in AnyDVD HD to get it to play. An inconvenience that I'm more than willing to accept to allow me to play all my backed up movies on the 9 (so far) 2TB hard drives, and I'm still not quite close to having ALL my BDs ripped to ISO yet.

The ISO capable 93 is one of my "pried from my dead, cold fingers' items in my HT. I tried looking around for other devices that can reliably play all the ISOs on my drives (which include a substantial number of 3D ISOs as I'm definitely a 3D fan) and there's nothing available out there currently that can reliably do it as well as the 93.


Max
post #25652 of 26597
Okay, you guy's convinced me. I'm going to go for the Oppo. Turns out the seller is an AVS member here whom I've communicated with before ...

Question: I have an old Denon 3802 receiver. No HDMI. Is there any benefit to running 5.1 sound out of the Oppo's analog outs to my receiver, instead of using the optical connection?
post #25653 of 26597
If you want to enjoy the full resolution HD audio on BDs that is the only way without HDMI.
post #25654 of 26597
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Originally Posted by Tangled Cable View Post

Okay, you guy's convinced me. I'm going to go for the Oppo. Turns out the seller is an AVS member here whom I've communicated with before ...

Question: I have an old Denon 3802 receiver. No HDMI. Is there any benefit to running 5.1 sound out of the Oppo's analog outs to my receiver, instead of using the optical connection?
Yes and no, biggrin.gif
I did/do both with my 103 and an older but goodie Yamaha. - Ran both 5 channel analog and a optical/toslink. Allowed me to switch back and forth and experiment with the difference. I had some good cables from an older setup in storage thus made it easy. Analog will also allow the OPPO to decode/pass audio that your older Denon may not.

Cheers
post #25655 of 26597
Thanks for the response! Did some more reading and realized I can FINALLY get DTS MA and Dolby TrueHD 7.1 audio out of my ancient HDMI-less Denon by using the 7.1 analog outs of the Oppo and letting it process the signals for me ... I thought I was going to have save up for a new receiver ... glad I can put that off for a little while longer. Some users claim there is a huge improvement switching from dd or dts 5.1 optical out to MA and TrueHD via analog ... we'll see.

Now I just have to come up with two more rear speakers and eight RCA cables ...
post #25656 of 26597
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Originally Posted by Tangled Cable View Post

Now I just have to come up with two more rear speakers and eight RCA cables ...
Most Blu-ray transfers are 5.1 so you don't really have to go to 7.1 right away.
post #25657 of 26597
First impressions: surprising improvement in sound quality over my previous Sonly BDPS5100 via the toslink cable. Was not really expecting this at all and not sure what to make of it, but it is there and it is not subtle. Hearing sounds from the rear channels that I did not hear before. More bass as well.

Picture quality was not as big as an improvement with blu ray and I could actually argue that it is a step down with the image looking just slightly "processed" for lack of a better word. I have to try lowering sharpness on either the player or my projector to see if that helps.

Can anyone tell me exactly what "contrast enhancement" does and do you recommend using it?
Edited by Tangled Cable - 10/10/13 at 5:06pm
post #25658 of 26597
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Originally Posted by Tangled Cable View Post

First impressions: surprising improvement in sound quality over my previous Sonly BDPS5100 via the toslink cable. Was not really expecting this at all and not sure what to make of it, but it is there and it is not subtle. Hearing sounds from the rear channels that I did not hear before. More bass as well.

Picture quality was not as big as an improvement with blu ray and I could actually argue that it is a step down with the image looking just slightly "processed" for lack of a better word. I have to try lowering sharpness on either the player or my projector to see if that helps.

Can anyone tell me exactly what "contrast enhancement" does and do you recommend using it?

I'll let others chime in about the video, but I can tell you why the analog outs are light years ahead of an optical or coax connection.

When you use the analog outs, the Oppo's very good digital to analog converters and analog circuitry let you hear the original high definition source. Most films' LPCM, Dolby TrueHD, or DTS Master Audio tracks are sampled at 48 Khz (the video standard is a bit better than CD's 44 Khz), and at least matches CD's 16-bit sample size (thus CD audio is referred to as 44/16, and most films are 48/16), with blockbusters and concert disks typically using 24 bit sampling (48/24) for both wider dynamic range and finer gradation.

Remember that each additional bit doubles the dynamic range - so going from 16 bit to 24 bit sampling means 128 times the dynamic range. As to subtlety, have you ever fooled around with the video settings on an older Windows computer, looking at the difference between 8 bit, 16 bit, and 32 bit color? It's the same thing for sound. (You can look up the specs of most Blu-ray disks at cinemasquid, a free database run by an AVS member.)

Compare that to the lossy compression that TOSlink and coax connections are limited to when doing surround sound, and it's the difference betwen CDs and mp3s.

Analog is the way I run my Oppo into my pre-HDMI Yamaha - so I like your "handle."

Keep tangling

Nuff said?
Edited by Philnick - 10/10/13 at 10:40pm
post #25659 of 26597
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Originally Posted by Tangled Cable View Post

Picture quality was not as big as an improvement with blu ray and I could actually argue that it is a step down with the image looking just slightly "processed" for lack of a better word. I have to try lowering sharpness on either the player or my projector to see if that helps.

Can anyone tell me exactly what "contrast enhancement" does and do you recommend using it?

The Oppo is supposed to have reference output levels, so if anything needs calibrating it is your display.

Not quite sure what you mean by "processed" but if you find the Oppo image "noisier" than the Sony, then perhaps the Sony was filtering the image and now you are seeing it in it's original glory. Bluray titles will vary too in their level of detail or unacceptable smoothing. Movies are supposed to have grain which can make them look noisy: the studios started filtering Bluray titles to reduce grain, because they thought the public wanted noise-free images, but it just leads to artifacts and waxy/plastic looking textures and completely ruins the original film intent.

Your display should not have any artificial sharpening or else it will distort the natural appearance of the Bluray. Give yourself time to acclimatise to the Oppo before making radical changes and perhaps consider doing a rough calibration on your display.

Contrast Enhancement increases the difference between light and dark by making lighter objects lighter and darker objects darker. It has the unfortunate side effect of sometimes crushing black levels and white levels so you lose the subtle distinctions. Should not be necessary with Bluray and the Oppo.

What you are aiming for is the most accurate presentation of the content of the Bluray, because that is how the studio authored it. If you want to change that for your own reasons, then that is your choice and you have the tools to do it.

HDMI 1 uses the Qdeo chip which applies a little bit of filtering that can't be defeated. If you want to see the output without the Qdeo, use HDMI 2. Compare the two to see which you prefer.
post #25660 of 26597
I was watching a 3D ISO tonight and I got booted back to the Oppo screen a few different times, seemingly at random ... I'm hoping it is an issue with the hard drive itself and not the Oppo ... I will try again tomorrow after copying the same ISO to a different hard drive ...

Has anyone had this happen before?
post #25661 of 26597
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Originally Posted by Tangled Cable View Post

I was watching a 3D ISO tonight and I got booted back to the Oppo screen a few different times, seemingly at random .

Haven't quite had that happen, but I have experienced freezes and lockups with USB but haven't had the issue with eSATA connection.

Even with eSATA, I have found that attempting to do a Pause for longer than about 10 seconds, FF or FRW can sometimes freeze or lock playback, although chapter advance or chapter rewind seems to be okay.

Some responders have suggested that the "green" drives are not really suitable for Bluray data rates as they can exceed the sustained transfer capabilities, but as long as I'm careful in my playback the WD Green 2TB have been okay for me via eSATA.

Not sure if it has any bearing, but the WD green HDD suggest aligning the drive before use with Windows to ensure maximum speed and so that is what I have been doing before using the drives with the Oppo.
post #25662 of 26597
I'd like to use a USB powered drive (connected directly to the Oppo) for the simplicity of not having to plug in another power cord ... any suggestions?
post #25663 of 26597
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I'd like to use a USB powered drive (connected directly to the Oppo) for the simplicity of not having to plug in another power cord ... any suggestions?

I've used a couple a Seagate FreeAgent and Free/Go-(something else) without issue. They are available at office supply stores and WalMart.

A USB-powered device may be more likely to go into some sort of sleep mode if left idle; just be aware when resuming after a long pause that it may take a while and you may see buffering glitches as everything syncs up again.

-Bill
post #25664 of 26597
I use a WD Passport with no problems.
post #25665 of 26597
Was watching something tonight, hit Display and noticed two bitrates in the upper left hand corner, one in parentheses. What does that second number represent?
post #25666 of 26597
Thread Starter 
That just shows you that you are playing a 3D Blu-ray title. Might show the bit rate of left eye/right eye, but I really do not know if that is true or not.
post #25667 of 26597
Does the Oppo have the ability to resume videos from where you've left off? My old and otherwise terrible Netgear media player would always let me resume ripped titles, but I don't see the option to do this with the Oppo.
post #25668 of 26597
Thread Starter 
If you stop then resume playback, then yes. If you turn off the player or start a new file, then unfortunately no. The player does not do any permanent indexing which is why resuming files is not possible.
post #25669 of 26597
Given that, is it okay to leave the Oppo on for days at a time? I always shut all my electronics off (except for my monoblocks) to keep them from running too hot ...
post #25670 of 26597
I am a bit confused about video quality. When I bought my 93, it was said, the output 1, was the best, also for HD. I found the PQ outstanding indeed, very "movie" like, with a lot of depth. Now with the new 103 model without the Qdeo, is said to give much better video quality, as the Qdeo, would soften the image, and be less sharp.......... Now I even read to use the Output 2 for Hd, with I found always more video like, but then assuming HDMI 1 was the best, not spend much time on it.

I also have a Mede8er X3 and a Dune TV 101. The X 3,is a wonderful machine that plays everything I throw at it. MKV lossless, Iso Bd structure, Quicktime home movies from my Canon slr, with sound (the oppo not plays it), never had anything that did not work.I am very happy to have it as a back up! The Dune, has a lot of audio issues, and is not as versatile as the X3. My Oppo freezes on some Mkv, and subtitles are not showing when they are mixed into the MKV. External subs look awful.

For picture and sound quality, the oppo really pleases me on my Sony VW 95, that is the main reason, I use it. For PQ the the Dune, comes second, it has a bit more noise, but depth is fine too. The med8er, gives a crisp clean image, less noise then the Dune, but I find it also less natural. Although picture looks sharp, it also looks processed, and flat, much less depth then the players. When people are standing in a room it looks like people are closer to each other and the back wall, just behind them, as the oppo gives an impression of "space". If Mede8er, would deliver the same PQ as the Oppo, honestly I would prefer to use the X3! It is so handy, possibility to put 3 rd party software on as Yadis, never a problem with any file. Of course I also use the Oppo as a very good music player! No comparison, with the other 2! Although the 93, not has XLR output it is in my ears not so behind the 95. It would more depend on what you hook it up to. Musicality is very good. The 95 give more detailed high and low, while the mids are more present in the 93. On some recordings the 93 could sound better, and on others the 95.

My perfect world would be that Oppo would bring us a Media player, without physical disc support, with the same Pq, and sound as the BD players, with better support for ALL files, and the possibility of a nicer browsing lay out.
post #25671 of 26597
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Originally Posted by Tangled Cable View Post

Given that, is it okay to leave the Oppo on for days at a time? I always shut all my electronics off (except for my monoblocks) to keep them from running too hot ...

For the sake of being able to resume a video at the point you left off? I personally wouldn't bother: just take note of where you stopped viewing and then use one of the mechanisms for quickly moving through the material to that point when you resume viewing again.
post #25672 of 26597
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I am a bit confused about video quality

My perfect world would be that Oppo would bring us a Media player, without physical disc support, with the same Pq, and sound as the BD players, with better support for ALL files, and the possibility of a nicer browsing lay out.

As I understand it, the Oppo 103 still has a Qdeo, but it isn't used for the same things as the 93.

The Qdeo is mainly a processor for improving low bitrate material: that's it's claim to fame. It doesn't do anything really for good quality HD and it should not be necessary to process good quality HD anyway.

The reason why some use HDMI 2 without the Qdeo is often to eliminate the extra handshaking, because the Qdeo adds an extra element to the chain, which can interfere with timeouts on some equipment. The Qdeo isn't supposed to introduce much video processing at default settings anyway and what it does implement has been decided by Oppo as being worthwhile, so I trust their judgment.

The Oppo is primarily an official optical disc player: it's abilities as a media player are a bonus, but not meant as a media player replacement. Mkv is only supported, not its raison d'etre, and so there are a few bugs and issues. Some of these were fixed in post ISO firmware, but of course are not available if you want to keep ISO capability. Many of the mkv issues are more to do with unusual encoding practices or header compression: if you eliminate these in the mkv files themselves, the result is usually much better.

Keep in mind that most of the limitations are from the Mediatek chip vendors, not Oppo themselves and often these are a result of the studios forcing certain support paradigms on the chip manufacturer on pain of losing their BD license: media players generally do not have to be BD licensed and so can avoid some of these interferences in performance.

Since the Oppo can play AVCHD and BDMV folders in full quality and with all features, this is the preferred container for Full HD video, HD audio and PGS subtitles. Mkv is more suited in the present Oppo incarnation for HD video, lossy audio and srt subtitles. Note that mkv does not support PGS (ie Bluray) subtitles: yes, it is a huge nuisance, but a result of the studios not wanting perfect playback of copied material IMO.

You will never have a perfect media player that also fully supports Bluray, or vice versa: the studios won't allow it, IMO.
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Is there a way to play ripped DVDs on a USB connected drive with DVD navigation? I copied VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders to under another dir but I end ip down in VIDEO_TS folder seeing files.

I have copied BDMV folders and played back without problem but cannot figure out how to do same with DVDs.
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Is there a way to play ripped DVDs on a USB connected drive with DVD navigation? I copied VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders to under another dir but I end ip down in VIDEO_TS folder seeing files.

I have copied BDMV folders and played back without problem but cannot figure out how to do same with DVDs.

No, OPPO players have never supported DVD directory structures.

You can convert individual titles to MKV, keeping chapters, subtitles and audio tracks, but you lose the menus and the multi-title structure a DVD might have.

-Bill
post #25675 of 26597
If I'm running analog out to my receivers pre-ins, it's okay to set the individual speaker levels with the oppo's internal settings, right? Don't they just bypass whatever the receiver's settings are anyway?

According to abouthometheater.com, this can't be done?

if you have the Blu-ray Disc player connected to a home theater receiver using 5.1 or 7.1 channel analog inputs, you can use this menu to test that the audio signals from the Blu-ray Disc player are being routed through receiver to the speakers via a Built-in Test Tone. You can also set the subwoofer crossover point to better match the subwoofer signal output with the rest of the 5.1 or 7.1 channel outputs.

However, it must be noted that speaker distance information and speaker output levels cannot be adjusted. Those adjustments would need to be made on the home theater receiver.


I don't understand why ... when I use the oppo to set the decibel level of individual speakers, the volume definitely rises ...
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Thread Starter 
It is best to do these adjustments in the device closest to the amplification. If this is not possible, then you can change the settings in the player to match the speaker distances as well as your trim levels.
post #25677 of 26597
Thanks for responding!

I thought I was supposed to increase volume at the start of the chain, rather than at the end of the chain, on the theory that increasing volume at the end magnifies any distortion that may enter along the way as opposed to boosting the original "pure" signal at the start?

Does it make a difference if I'm using the receiver's three front channel pre-outs so it isn't actually amplifying those?

What is the difference between "trim" and volume level?
post #25678 of 26597
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Is there a way to play ripped DVDs on a USB connected drive with DVD navigation? I copied VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders to under another dir but I end ip down in VIDEO_TS folder seeing files.

If you still have the ISO capable firmware installed on the Oppo, then you can rip a DVD as an ISO or use Imgburn to convert files/folders to an ISO (use ISO 9660 + UDF 1.02 format) and play the ISO as if it was an actual DVD with full conventional navigation.

However, if you no longer have ISO capable firmware you will not be able to play DVD with menu: only play as files. Either use software such as DVDshrink to join vob files together, or import the vob files into mkvmerge (it will auto add corresponding vob files after the first valid vob file) to make playback continuous.
post #25679 of 26597
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Originally Posted by Tangled Cable View Post

If I'm running analog out to my receivers pre-ins, it's okay to set the individual speaker levels with the oppo's internal settings, right? Don't they just bypass whatever the receiver's settings are anyway?

According to abouthometheater.com, this can't be done?

if you have the Blu-ray Disc player connected to a home theater receiver using 5.1 or 7.1 channel analog inputs, you can use this menu to test that the audio signals from the Blu-ray Disc player are being routed through receiver to the speakers via a Built-in Test Tone. You can also set the subwoofer crossover point to better match the subwoofer signal output with the rest of the 5.1 or 7.1 channel outputs.

However, it must be noted that speaker distance information and speaker output levels cannot be adjusted. Those adjustments would need to be made on the home theater receiver.


I don't understand why ... when I use the oppo to set the decibel level of individual speakers, the volume definitely rises ...

Was this article specific to the Oppo or just a general article? If it was a general article then it may be somewhat true as not all BD/DVD players have the option to adjust the trim and distance of the individual channels. The Oppo does have this option.

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Originally Posted by Tangled Cable View Post

Thanks for responding!

I thought I was supposed to increase volume at the start of the chain, rather than at the end of the chain, on the theory that increasing volume at the end magnifies any distortion that may enter along the way as opposed to boosting the original "pure" signal at the start?

Does it make a difference if I'm using the receiver's three front channel pre-outs so it isn't actually amplifying those?

What is the difference between "trim" and volume level?

If you are using the analog outputs of the Oppo, then you should set the volume to maximum on the Oppo and adjust the volume on the receiver to the volume you prefer.

The difference between the trim and volume is that trim adjusts the individual channels while volume adjusts all channels simultaneously.
post #25680 of 26597
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

Was this article specific to the Oppo or just a general article? If it was a general article then it may be somewhat true as not all BD/DVD players have the option to adjust the trim and distance of the individual channels. The Oppo does have this option.
If you are using the analog outputs of the Oppo, then you should set the volume to maximum on the Oppo and adjust the volume on the receiver to the volume you prefer.

It was specific to the Oppo. I should have just provided a link to it:

http://hometheater.about.com/od/bluraydiscplayerreviews/ss/Oppo-Digital-Bdp-93-3d-Network-Blu-Ray-Disc-Player-Photo-Profile_18.htm

Thanks for the advice on setting the volume!
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The difference between the trim and volume is that trim adjusts the individual channels while volume adjusts all channels simultaneously.

I see. Never heard it called that before.

Thanks again.
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