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post #25741 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Tangled Cable View Post

It does have pre outs, but do you really think that timing would be an issue for the rear surround channels? Since the front left, right, center and sub would all be fed directly by the oppo the rear left and rear right would be the only channels sent to the receiver ... I just thought the more direct/pure the connection is the better ...?

You still have to worry about levels. You'd be controlling the amped channels with the player and the rest with the AVR. Connecting amps to the AVRs pre-out eliminates that issue.
post #25742 of 26645
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Originally Posted by sbtv View Post

I'm trying to catch up with the DSD playback capabilities. I have a BDP 93 and understand the fw upgrade for DSD playback for the 10x series does not apply to the 93. However, Is there any way to play / "pass-through" a downloaded DSD file on the 93 to a separate DSD compatible pre-amp (like the Benchmark). All my hi-res audio files reside on a disk drive attached to my oppo so I'm trying to retain the Oppo as my music server while adding DSD capability. My guess is this won't work but wanted to confirm.

There is not. A DSD media file will be treated like any other file found on the hard drive in a format the player does not know how to play.
--Bob
post #25743 of 26645
Can we use IP control on the 93, yet? Unfortunately, the smartphone and tablet apps aren't an option for me, and can only use a PC.
post #25744 of 26645
Thread Starter 
You can create your own as OPPO has available the IP Control documentation, but it is not an easy thing to implement.
post #25745 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

You can create your own as OPPO has available the IP Control documentation, but it is not an easy thing to implement.

Dang I wouldn't know where to start. I'd love something like www.waltzremote.com which I use for controlling my DirecTV boxes. Simple and browser based.
post #25746 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

OPPO has not yet updated their website, but you can download the USB ZIP file here: http://download.oppodigital.com/BDP93/BDP9x-79-0910.zip

Release date: October 15, 2013
Category: Latest Official Release
Main Version: BDP9x-79-0910
Loader Version: CN0900
Sub Version: MCU93-09-0218 (BDP-93), MCU95-08-0218 (BDP-95)

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6. Expanded the Subtitle Shift option from "-5 ~ +5" to "-10 ~ +10", which allows finer control of the subtitle position on the display screen.
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FWIW, if you are a bad lazy terrible person like myself and don't reset settings after updating your firmware, you'll notice a problem with subtitles after updating to this firmware. If you never changed your subtitle shift settings, the firmware upgrade will leave your subtitle shift set to -5, which in some cases pushes the subtitles entirely offscreen. Setting it manually back to 0 gets them displaying as normal again, and this would probably be the default if I reset my settings.
post #25747 of 26645
Thread Starter 
The default is 0. Depending on what settings you had set in the player prior to upgrading the firmware, there is always a chance that the settings will apply incorrect values somewhere else. In this case, Subtitle Shift becomes -5 instead of 0.
post #25748 of 26645

hi,

is the new subtitle shift really a larger range from -10 to 10 or just a finer scale?i would be happy to push some subtitles completely out of the picture(some french bds with forced french subs)

with the old -5 to 5 range it was only partial possible,at least with a 1,85:1 picture.

i hesitate to update t try myself because i have a regionfree mod(not the danish pro mod) which is essentiel for me.i live in europe and a lot of my bds  are region B.

post #25749 of 26645
Thread Starter 
Finer control, so the steps are not as large. The maximum range is still the same.
post #25750 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Here's an accurate way to ensure the analog inputs from the Oppo match the internal decoding of the AVR when playing the same disc.

1) Look at your AVR's settings for bass management and speaker delays (distances). If you use 80 Hz for the AVR, use the same for the Oppo. Set the distances the same, too,

2) Play the Disney Wow disc thru the AVR's HDMI or S/PDIF input. Set the master volume such that you see a convenient SPL reading on the meter. I like to use 70 dB as it is not too loud and sits in the middle of my analog meter's display.

(Just for ref, the tones on the Wow disc are recorded at 85 dB (-20 dBFS), 10 dB louder than typical discs. If your AVR reads out volume "the THX way" then when it is set to 0 ref level, you should get 85 dB spl. If you set MV to -10 it would be 75 dB, and -15 would be the 70 dB I am proposing for today's Oppo setup. The LFE channel is recorded another 10 dB louder than that, so it would make 95 dB at ref volume!)

3) As you play the Wow disc thru each channel (including the sub), write down the SPL, as it may vary slightly from ch to ch. No need to actually alter the trim settings to all hit the exact same SPL unless you want to. Discs and internal tones do not always measure identically. The mission here is just to match the analog to the digital input.

4) Without changing the volume control, play the disc again using the analog input of the AVR. With all the Oppo volume and trim controls at 0 dB, the ideal result would be the same SPLs for each channel as you measured for the digital input. That may not be the case. Let's say they are all ~7 dB lower than before. Adjust the AVR volume to get the same SPL as the L channel digital. (If MV was -15 before, it will be -8 now.) L = 70 dB SPL.

5) Now run through every channel again and use the Oppo trim controls to set the SPL to obtain the same readings as originally found. Hopefully you will not need more trim boost than a dB or so, as it can potentially lead to overload of the Oppo output stage. If you need, say, 3 dB boost in the weakest channel, subtract 3 from all the trims equally.

If the subwoofer SPL is way too low to get a match with the digital readings, there are ways to deal with that properly, but not right now. wink.gif

I hope this makes sense.

Roger I'm going over your list now and I do have a follow up question--you say the Oppo's volume and trim controls should all be set to 0 db when comparing the db between optical and analog ... does that mean the receiver's volume and trim controls should also be set to 0? Thus the only place I actually adjust them is in step 5, with the Oppo's trim controls? Or did you mean that I should set the receiver's trims to all hit say, 75 db to start with, and then compare optical to analog?

If I don't set the receiver's trim settings first, I know from experience that the channels will be nowhere close to matching and will definitely require more than single dB adjustment in step five ...
Edited by Tangled Cable - 10/21/13 at 10:15pm
post #25751 of 26645
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Originally Posted by Tangled Cable View Post

you say the Oppo's volume and trim controls should all be set to 0 db when comparing the db between optical and analog ... does that mean the receiver's volume and trim controls should also be set to 0?
No, do not mess with the AVR settings if you are happy with its calibrations. All we want to do is get the Oppo's analog outs to mimic the AVR's internally decoded audio.
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Thus the only place I actually adjust them is in step 5, with the Oppo's trim controls? Or did you mean that I should set the receiver's trims to all hit say, 75 db to start with, and then compare optical to analog?
The starting target SPL for the AVR, when playing the test signal's via digital, is arbitrary. I suggested 70 dB as that's the middle of my SPL meters analog display. But you can use 65 or 75 or whatever you like. Once you set the MV to get your ref SPL in the L ch, just take note of all the other channels. Do not tweak the trims, unless you think they are off cal and need fixing.
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If I don't set the receiver's trim settings first, I know from experience that the channels will be nowhere close to matching and will definitely require more than single dB adjustment in step five ...
That does not compute. If the signals being decoded in the AVR are equal level in each channel (which they will be from the Wow disc), then when the external analog source comes in with equal signals they will match. That's why you first need to write down the SPL in each channel before you start.

Give it a shot, and PM me if you need help beyond what the thread will bear. wink.gif
post #25752 of 26645

16/9 Wide/Auto no longer works after Official 79-0910 Firmware Installed

My apologies if this has been previously reported. Spoke to Oppo support just now and they confirm reproducing the problem. However, they say it affects some MKV and some MPG files. In my case, I can find no files that are not affected.

Simply described - 16/9 Wide/Auto now returns 4x3 only for all files. 16/9 Wide continues to work properly. The net is that "Auto" is gone.

Support claims discs and Blu-ray rips are unaffected. I have not tried either yet.

Support provided this workaround - set the primary output to HDMI2 while continuing to connect via the HDMI1 output.

Can any describe what is being gained or lost by following this direction?
post #25753 of 26645
Sorry, forgot to mention that I have a BD-93 and was using Official 74-0908 until 10/19/2013.
post #25754 of 26645
OPPO UK Posts "Official" 0910 Firmware Update for BDP-93EU and BDP-95EU

http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/customer-services/bdp-93-95eu/

For owners of the EU version 93 and 95 players, OPPO UK has just posted the new, Official 0910 firmware update.



For completeness, the firmware update for the North American version 93 and 95 players can be found on the OPPO Digital web site here:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-93/bdp9x-firmware-79-0910.aspx

--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/22/13 at 10:12am
post #25755 of 26645
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SeeJeffRun View Post

My apologies if this has been previously reported. Spoke to Oppo support just now and they confirm reproducing the problem. However, they say it affects some MKV and some MPG files. In my case, I can find no files that are not affected.

Are you using a mix of 4:3 and 16:9 contents? If you use 16:9 only contents, without playing back any 4:3 content, do you experience the same issues? I have only seen one case where a 16:9 file would playback as 4:3, but stopping and restarting the file would fix it. In another case, I had to play 4:3 files first, then the next 16:9 file would playback 4:3, but the following file would playback 16:9.

All 4:3 content, however, is showing double pillarboxed in my testing, so this is indeed a global bug for 4:3 content at least.
post #25756 of 26645
The workaround suggested by support does not work. With 16:9 Wide/Auto, no amount of stopping, pausing, restarting returns the material (mkv or mpg file) to the proper size. 4:3 is showing as maybe 2.5:3, and 16:9 material is similarly compressed.

I'll be sending the box back to Oppo for firmware downgrade.
post #25757 of 26645
Is it possible to turn off auto-advance when showing jpeg images? I can only find slow, fast and normal settings, but not OFF.
post #25758 of 26645
^ The Pause button on the remote doesn't work?
--Bob
post #25759 of 26645
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

You can create your own as OPPO has available the IP Control documentation, but it is not an easy thing to implement.

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Originally Posted by sigmaace01 View Post

Dang I wouldn't know where to start. I'd love something like www.waltzremote.com which I use for controlling my DirecTV boxes. Simple and browser based.

Oppo sent me the protocol documentation.... I just have no idea about programming. I'm surprised nobody has created a simple program.
post #25760 of 26645
Bob: Pause is not really suitable. I want to control images like when using a slide projector: press a button and the next image appears.
post #25761 of 26645
^ Pause, then Chapter Forward/Back I believe. Use Play to restart auto-advance, if desired.
--Bob
post #25762 of 26645
I'm also having MKV issues since the firmware upgrade. I have some TV shows in 4:3 and 16:9 ripped from DVD. They get squashed horizontally. I can stream the same files normally to a VLC client on my laptop. I used Handbrake, x264 into MKV which encodes the video to AVC with AC-3 passthrough for the audio.

If I set the zoom button to stretch, the video looks almost normal but I think at a lesser quality.

Jim
post #25763 of 26645
I can report that I am also having playback problems with MKV and MPG files after the update. The problems are not limited to wrong aspect ratios, but also mangled colors and distorted images. So far no problems with playing back some MP4 files (I have not tested all my thousands of MP4 files).
post #25764 of 26645
Thread Starter 
Mangled colors can be related to the use of hi10p. Ensure that the encodes are 8-bit and not 10-bit.

Ensure that your Color Space on the player is set to an appropriate setting under Video Setup->HDMI Options.
post #25765 of 26645
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Originally Posted by eversharp View Post

I can report that I am also having playback problems with MKV and MPG files after the update. The problems are not limited to wrong aspect ratios, but also mangled colors and distorted images. So far no problems with playing back some MP4 files (I have not tested all my thousands of MP4 files).

One of the longest Beta to Official release cycles, and then this...sigh! Add me to the list of those with MPG playback problems...no settings changed before/after firmware. How long for the next release cycle with fixes for this? Oppo support was what made the premium really worth it frown.gif
post #25766 of 26645
Thread Starter 
There is no ETA since OPPO was only made aware of the issue after the firmware was released. Hopefully sooner rather than later since this issue was reported so quickly after the firmware was released, so there is a higher chance of having engineers at hand to fix it.
post #25767 of 26645
I too have the aspect ratio problem for streamed MKV files, which always worked perfectly before the upgrade. The first thing I wondered about was if the problem was also going to affect DVD discs, which is how I discovered that, hard as it is to believe, opening the disc drawer will correct the problem for the MKV file currently being played. On my box, at least, after a streamed MKV file which shows the aspect ratio problem begins playing, opening the disc drawer--via either the player's button or the remote--instantly pops the image to the correct aspect ratio, where it stays for the remainder of the file. Immediately closing the drawer doesn't change the image, which remains correct. This has to be repeated for every file played.

I haven't tried Oppo tech support's workaround, as this weirdness is working for me right now. Let's hope Oppo releases a fix real soon like.
post #25768 of 26645
Thread Starter 
For 16:9 files which are being improperly pillarboxed often just stopping, then restarting the file, will resolve the issues. For 4:3 contents which are double pillarboxed, you will need to use 16:9 Wide and then use the any aspect ratio controls on the display to pillarbox the content, or just wait for a firmware to be released to fix your issues.
post #25769 of 26645

I have some .MKV files with embedded subtitles but I can't see the subs. Sometimes they show up like they are squeezed together to the left, but they are unreadable. I have the previous FW, not this October release.

post #25770 of 26645
I just wanted to thank everyone in here for the awesome advice that has been provided, but I think the release of the 103D has convinced me it's finally time to put the 93 on eBay. I may regret losing the ISO capability, but I assume that I will be able to replace the external region free mod so I won't lose that capability. To the regular contributors, I look forward to seeing your advice in the 103D thread.
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