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post #26221 of 26595
Hi Bill,

Thanks a lot for your quick answer.
I just tested the MKVs on the BD-R disc I made, and all files plays fine with VLC and MPlayerX...
I also unplugged and plug back the power cord of the OPPO... but the same issue remains...

It have a "mod-chip" to make it region free for DVD and BD, it could be it?

I tried the same file on a DVD DL and the same result... "This file is unsupported" and in the left side (the information panel) is shown all in 0
Time 0
Width 0x0
and the other info 0x0 too

But the same file in the USB drive (HDD or Pendrive) is playing fine...

What it could be?

Thanks a lot! Again wink.gif

Regards!
post #26222 of 26595
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Originally Posted by bajinchi View Post

Hi Bill,

Thanks a lot for your quick answer.
I just tested the MKVs on the BD-R disc I made, and all files plays fine with VLC and MPlayerX...
I also unplugged and plug back the power cord of the OPPO... but the same issue remains...

It have a "mod-chip" to make it region free for DVD and BD, it could be it?

I tried the same file on a DVD DL and the same result... "This file is unsupported" and in the left side (the information panel) is shown all in 0

OK, to summarize:

Some files play on both USB HD and optical disc, but some play only on USB HD. You get the same results on burned blu-ray and DVD. The optical discs play ok on a computer.

Is there a file size difference between the good files and the problem ones? I had DVD burning problems when my files exceeded a certain size and I had both large and small files on the same disc. I had to add more parameters to the command..

-Bill
post #26223 of 26595
Hi all!

I am new to this forum. I am a happy owner of a multi-region Oppo BDP-93EU since 3 years back. I have had no problems with the player up until now. Lately I've seen occasional frame skips and 1-second freezes when playing 2D material. It affects only the video, the audio keeps playing uninterrupted in these instances. Saw this last on "All About Eve" and "Devil's Backbone", both US releases. Discs were perfectly clean. I have the latest firmware from October 2013 and I use source direct through HDMI 1. No IFC switched on on my 55" Panny Plasma.

Has anyone had similar experiences? Firmware or is my trusty player beginning to crack up?
post #26224 of 26595
^ Daniel, try checking your cables. That may or may not be the problem, but it sounds consistent with a bad or kinked hdmi cable.
post #26225 of 26595
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

OK, to summarize:

Some files play on both USB HD and optical disc, but some play only on USB HD. You get the same results on burned blu-ray and DVD. The optical discs play ok on a computer.

Is there a file size difference between the good files and the problem ones? I had DVD burning problems when my files exceeded a certain size and I had both large and small files on the same disc. I had to add more parameters to the command..

-Bill

Hi!

The files are like 8.4GB, 4.7GB and 1.8GB.
The only one which works from the BD-R disc is the 1.8GB, and the MKV have inside V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC Video + A_AAC Audio + S_TEXT/UTF8 Subtitile.
The others are the same or with H.264 - AC3 or DTS Audio, but the same behavior, don´t work from the disc drive...

Too weird to me, don´t have logic by now

Regards!
post #26226 of 26595
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Originally Posted by bajinchi View Post

Hi!

The files are like 8.4GB, 4.7GB and 1.8GB.
The only one which works from the BD-R disc is the 1.8GB, and the MKV have inside V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC Video + A_AAC Audio + S_TEXT/UTF8 Subtitile.
The others are the same or with H.264 - AC3 or DTS Audio, but the same behavior, don´t work from the disc drive...

Too weird to me, don´t have logic by now

Regards!

Ok, I suspect I know what is happening, although not the specifics.

Your files are fine. You don't need to tweak the codec or MKV container attributes.

Your smallest file works on optical. Once files increase beyond a certain size the file system must be created with certain attributes for the OPPO to read them correctly. Apparently PC operating systems can work around this but the player can't.

Tomorrow morning I'll post the parameters I use. I'm on linux but I hope you can translate the means into the systems you use. I've worked only with DVDs, but I had to make a change when I started creating large MKV files.

-Bill
post #26227 of 26595
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Ok, I suspect I know what is happening, although not the specifics.

Your files are fine. You don't need to tweak the codec or MKV container attributes.

Your smallest file works on optical. Once files increase beyond a certain size the file system must be created with certain attributes for the OPPO to read them correctly. Apparently PC operating systems can work around this but the player can't.

Tomorrow morning I'll post the parameters I use. I'm on linux but I hope you can translate the means into the systems you use. I've worked only with DVDs, but I had to make a change when I started creating large MKV files.

-Bill

Bill... YOU ROCK!!!

Thanks a lot!!

So, my problem was using Toast Titanium on MAC OSX for burning the BD-R disc.
When I read about your suspects, it came to my mind... how was the Toast Titanium software doing to record the big files to the disc...
So I fired up Parallels with Win7 and run IMGBURN... I added a 4.8GB MKV single file... I click on the calculator to see if everything is OK, and an error came up about "UDF + ISO9660" about the file size and filesystem, so I choose only "UDF" ver.2.50... the calculator this time give me an OK status, I burned a new BD-R with the file, when done, I put it to the OPPO and... WORKED!!!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR GUIDANCE TO MY SOLUTION!!!!

I hope this helps to any other user!

And Happy New Year to all of you!

Regards!
post #26228 of 26595
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Originally Posted by bremler View Post

For now I'm converting everything to M2TS container, will have to make do without chapters but at least it can contain a compressed video and high definition audio and PGS subtitles natively.

Was the FLAC/MKV capability introduced in later firmware version, can anyone
confirm?

It seems with the OPPO there's always compromises to be made with user generated media!

If you are going to the effort of creating M2TS, go the extra step and create Bluray structure using ClownBD: it doesn't take up much more space as the additional files are tiny, but as ISO or AVCHD or BDMV, the Oppo will play back with chapter navigation and likely smoother playback than M2TS. There is no menu but it behaves more like a Bluray disc in the player than a standalone file. I don't think you can stream it though. You may need to convert the PGS to 720p, although it is possible the Oppo will handle 1080p subtitles and downscale (it's not something I have ever needed to test out as I always retain original disc quality and thus resolution consistency).

FLAC/mkv and other functionality improvements and bug fixes were introduced in post-ISO firmware. I think they fixed the mkv colour scaling issue and mkv chapter and FF/FRW plus added 24p DVD playback to the post-ISO firmware too. Even without ISO firmware, it is still possible to play BDMV and AVCHD as if it is a Bluray disc, although I think there were reports of occasional issues that don't occur with ISO and 3D results in double the disc size when extracted from ISO to files/folders.

I suspect the media compromises are more to do with studio pressure on the Mediatek chip manufacturer and Oppo, than Oppodigital themselves creating compromises on a whim. It's unfortunate, but nothing the consumer or Oppodigital can do about it.
post #26229 of 26595
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

^ Daniel, try checking your cables. That may or may not be the problem, but it sounds consistent with a bad or kinked hdmi cable.

OK. I will check the hdmi. Seems unlikely though as I haven't touched or disconnected the cable since buying it. A Cinnamon-cable of reasonably high quality.

Thanks. :-)


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post #26230 of 26595
Quote:
Originally Posted by bajinchi View Post

Bill... YOU ROCK!!!

Could you get the ladies to say that, please?
Quote:
So, my problem was using Toast Titanium on MAC OSX for burning the BD-R disc.
When I read about your suspects, it came to my mind... how was the Toast Titanium software doing to record the big files to the disc...
So I fired up Parallels with Win7 and run IMGBURN... I added a 4.8GB MKV single file... I click on the calculator to see if everything is OK, and an error came up about "UDF + ISO9660" about the file size and filesystem, so I choose only "UDF" ver.2.50... the calculator this time give me an OK status, I burned a new BD-R with the file, when done, I put it to the OPPO and... WORKED!!!!!!!!!!

Glad it is working!

I had the same issue on Linux; the standard disc burning utilities were failing me. All small files or all large files seemed to be ok, but if I mixed large and small the software didn't apply the correct filesystem params. So I went back to the command line and found a combination that has worked so far:
Quote:
mkisofs -iso-level 3 -udf -R -J -joliet-long -o dvdimage.iso ...filenames...

Note that "mkisofs" is just a link to "genisoimage" on my system.

Here is what the manual says about each switch:
Quote:
-iso-level

With level 3, no restrictions (other than ISO-9660:1988) do apply. Starting
with this level, genisoimage also allows files to be larger than 4 GB by
implementing ISO-9660 multi-extent files.

-udf

Include UDF filesystem support in the generated filesystem image.

-R

Generate SUSP and RR records using the Rock Ridge protocol to further
describe the files on the ISO9660 filesystem.

-J

Generate Joliet directory records in addition to regular ISO9660 filenames.
This is primarily useful when the discs are to be used on Windows machines.
Joliet filenames are specified in Unicode and each path component can be up
to 64 Unicode characters long. Note that Joliet is not a standard — only
Microsoft Windows and Linux systems can read Joliet extensions. For greater
portability, consider using both Joliet and Rock Ridge extensions.

-joliet-long

Allow Joliet filenames to be up to 103 Unicode characters, instead of 64.
This breaks the Joliet specification, but appears to work. Use with caution.

I can then burn the ISO file with various utilities. The craft is in making the file.

-Bill
post #26231 of 26595
^ whimper!

* Looks fondly at his collection of commercially produced shiny discs which have none of these complexities *

--Bob
post #26232 of 26595
"Truly, for some men nothing is written unless THEY write it."

--Ali in Lawrence of Arabia
post #26233 of 26595
Any known issues with the audio bitstreamed from Insidious 2??

Started playing it tonight and previews were fine, but once it hit the movie after the menu screen, I got snapping pops over the soundtrack.

Quickly switched to LPCM on the 93 and no more problems.

Still on the ISO firmware, first time I have had trouble....just wanting to confirm the problem before (IF) I take the firmware upgrade.

Thanks!!
post #26234 of 26595
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Originally Posted by dirk1843 View Post

Any known issues with the audio bitstreamed from Insidious 2??

Started playing it tonight and previews were fine, but once it hit the movie after the menu screen, I got snapping pops over the soundtrack.

Quickly switched to LPCM on the 93 and no more problems.

Still on the ISO firmware, first time I have had trouble....just wanting to confirm the problem before (IF) I take the firmware upgrade.

Thanks!!

I have an ISO capable 93 and had no issues with Insidious 2.
post #26235 of 26595
Does the latest firmware version or any previous version for the BDP-93 enable DRM?

Thanks
post #26236 of 26595
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2therock View Post

Does the latest firmware version or any previous version for the BDP-93 enable DRM?

Thanks

What kind of DRM? You mean Cinavia? OPPO has said the -93/95 (and earlier players) will never have Cinavia. It's not required for older machines.

-Bill
post #26237 of 26595
Thanks, I read the last firmware would not play ISO files. Is this correct or true, and due to Cinavia?
post #26238 of 26595
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2therock View Post

Thanks, I read the last firmware would not play ISO files. Is this correct or true, and due to Cinavia?

That is correct, but has nothing to do with Cinavia.

ISO file playback was available only for a few months in 2012 2011. Those who have not updated firmware since still have it.

-Bill
Edited by wmcclain - 1/1/14 at 8:31am
post #26239 of 26595
^ The current firmware does not support playback of ISO files -- that's actually been true for some time -- but that has nothing to do with Cinevia detection.

The 93/95 just like the 83/83SE do not have Cinevia detection. And are not required to add it in future firmware. Newer player models (all brands) are required to have it.
--Bob
post #26240 of 26595
Thanks Guys
post #26241 of 26595
Quote:
Originally Posted by IanD View Post

If you are going to the effort of creating M2TS, go the extra step and create Bluray structure using ClownBD: it doesn't take up much more space as the additional files are tiny, but as ISO or AVCHD or BDMV, the Oppo will play back with chapter navigation and likely smoother playback than M2TS. There is no menu but it behaves more like a Bluray disc in the player than a standalone file. I don't think you can stream it though. You may need to convert the PGS to 720p, although it is possible the Oppo will handle 1080p subtitles and downscale (it's not something I have ever needed to test out as I always retain original disc quality and thus resolution consistency).

FLAC/mkv and other functionality improvements and bug fixes were introduced in post-ISO firmware. I think they fixed the mkv colour scaling issue and mkv chapter and FF/FRW plus added 24p DVD playback to the post-ISO firmware too. Even without ISO firmware, it is still possible to play BDMV and AVCHD as if it is a Bluray disc, although I think there were reports of occasional issues that don't occur with ISO and 3D results in double the disc size when extracted from ISO to files/folders.

I suspect the media compromises are more to do with studio pressure on the Mediatek chip manufacturer and Oppo, than Oppodigital themselves creating compromises on a whim. It's unfortunate, but nothing the consumer or Oppodigital can do about it.

Thanks, I already tried this when I had my non-ISO 93, using the AVCHD trick. Sadly it didn't work. After selecting the AVCHD folder onscreen, nothing happens. It must have something to do with the incompatibility of having a 1280 720p video within the Bluray structure (ISO or folder), like you mentioned before. So the only options for playing a compressed video are MKV or M2TS. I love MKV because it's smaller, has chapters.....but won't play hidef audio, at least not on my ISO firmware, and won't support PGS subtitles. I thought a workaround could be converting all hidef audio to flac within MKV, but alas my ISO firmware won't play flac within MKV. So it's like frustration at every turn, learning to settle with M2TS (2nd best).
Edited by bremler - 1/1/14 at 11:40pm
post #26242 of 26595
Hi, A new guy here I have an OPPO BDP-93 in route. I guess I'll be around a bit.

I have a couple questions for clarification:

(1) When connecting an eSATA drive to the player, and the player being network connected via the Ethernet cable, would the eSATA drive be visible or accessible from my PC also?
I realize if I left it on my PC network it may be accessible from both ends, but it would be nicer for me to have the drive in my entertainment cabinet.

(2) I read how full audio quality is best over HDMI or the multi-channel analog outputs - From the Manual -
"Due to bandwidth limitations, high resolution audio formats such as Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution and DTS-HD Master Audio cannot be sent
through the coaxial or optical digital audio output. A reduced resolution version of the same audio track will be output instead. To listen to high resolution audio formats in their best quality,
please use the HDMI connection if you have a receiver that handles HDMI audio (see page 14) or use the multi-channel analog outputs if you do not (see page 15)."

With the above said and having a 7.1 speaker setup, (See signature) I want to make sure I have Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution and DTS-HD Master Audio capabilities.
My AVR is a non-HDMI Onkyo TX-SR800 that has the multi-channel analog inputs. See pic below or LINK.

What do you guys think? I love my old Onkyo's sound performance. She has served me well since 2003 and is so very dialed in sound wise for my room. She will leave my cold sweaty heart broken fingers when she finally gets to the point of being left behind tech wise.

Your Words on the matters would be great. The TV has two HDMI inputs.



Thanks!
post #26243 of 26595
Welcome!

(1) No, local storage on the player is not visible from the network. USB has been more popular than eSata here.

(2) Sure, that's why OPPO has multi-channel output, so you can keep the old receivers running. The player decodes all the audio formats found on Blu-ray.

-Bill
post #26244 of 26595
Thanks, This is the first I ever read of Optical or Coax bandwidth limitations.

Is this the specific to this Oppo or to other component/systems specifically, or is it the case with all devices across the board. Even if sent to the Receiver to decode (non-PCM) via optical/coax?

Mercy, my VISA is getting nervous. I can only do the Multi-Analog only once. I still have a Cable Box, DVD Recorder, with no multi channel outputs, I do have a great Onkyo DV-SP800 DVD player that has the multi channel outs. Sure hate to put her out to pasture.

I feel a new AVR creeping into my future.
post #26245 of 26595
^^^
Nothing beyond Dolby digital over optical or coax, so DD+ and above cannot be passed that way. It might be time for an HDMI AVR, I finally pulled the trigger last year and I'm glad I did. I'm not trying to persuade just sharing my experience, and in hindsight I was limiting myself quite a but with my non HDMI pre/pro. Since I upgraded my experience has been enriched both sonically and connectivity wise smile.gif
Edited by comfynumb - 1/1/14 at 3:07pm
post #26246 of 26595
Your other devices don't support high res audio, so the lack of HDMI or multichannel analog is not an issue with them. Optical and coax are fine with them. The Oppo is your only device that uses high res audio. So, connect it with MCH analog and use regular digital connections for the others.

btw, multichannel analog is not simple plug and play. Speaker setups, including bass management, must be done in the Oppo as your receiver cannot apply digital processing to the analog inputs. You'll need to calibrate levels separately for the analog inputs as well, which is often a challenge because the sub channel is output 15dB low by the player. At the end of the day, the lossy outputs from lossless tracks on BD are output over optical and coax at very high bitrates, rivaling lossless in quality. So, you may find its not worth the effort to use MCH analog.
Edited by BIslander - 1/1/14 at 3:20pm
post #26247 of 26595
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

^^^
Nothing beyond Dolby digital over optical or coax, so DD+ and above cannot be passed that way. It might be time for an HDMI AVR, I finally pulled the trigger last year and I'm glad I did. I'm not trying to persuade just sharing my experience, and in hindsight I was limiting myself quite a but with my non HDMI pre/pro. Since I upgraded my experience has been enriched both sonically and connectivity wise smile.gif

Quote:
Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

Your other devices don't support high res audio, so the lack of HDMI or multichannel analog is not an issue with them. Optical and coax are fine with them. The Oppo is your only device that uses high res audio. So, connect it with MCH analog and use regular digital connections for the others.

btw, multichannel analog is not simple plug and play. Speaker setups, including bass management, must be done in the Oppo as your receiver cannot apply digital processing to the analog inputs. You'll need to calibrate levels separately for the analog inputs as well, which is often a challenge because the sub channel is output 15dB low by the player. At the end of the day, the lossy outputs from lossless tracks on BD are output over optical and coax at very high bitrates, rivaling lossless in quality. So, you may find its not worth the effort to use MCH analog.

Thanks, Gulp! Well........................ I have been eyeballing the Pioneer SC-75 and Denon X4000. Mercy.

I hope the after New years and Holidays sales slump works in my favor.
post #26248 of 26595
If room correction is important the Denon has Audyssey XT32. In my acoustically unfriendly room that has made a big difference in sound quality. Not trying to be pushy, just my 2 cents smile.gif
post #26249 of 26595
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mntneer View Post

Finally tracked down the culprit to my freezing issue. It's my SiliconDust Prime tuner. I recently upgraded the firmware and it seems that the Prime is constantly hitting the network and it's causing the Oppo to react in this manner. I'm going to try and reach out to the folks at SiliconDust and see what in their firmware update could be causing this.

Hi, did you ever get this issue resolved. I've been pulling my hair out trying to determine why my BP-93 would pause every few seconds, and then start playing again. This was with a brand new bluray disc or any file played via usb.
I got a 2nd home run prime a month or so ago and upgraded the firmware on both units This was about the same time the oppo start exhibiting this characteristic. If I unplug the Ethernet cable, all the playback issues are gone. We need Silicon dust to get to the bottom of this one.
post #26250 of 26595
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk1843 View Post

Any known issues with the audio bitstreamed from Insidious 2??

Started playing it tonight and previews were fine, but once it hit the movie after the menu screen, I got snapping pops over the soundtrack.

Quickly switched to LPCM on the 93 and no more problems.

Still on the ISO firmware, first time I have had trouble....just wanting to confirm the problem before (IF) I take the firmware upgrade.

LPCM is generally the best connection method for most Bluray titles: it is equivalent quality to bitstreaming and does not seem to be as susceptible to audio issue in titles. I think this is because authoring often splits a movie into multiple segments and transitioning between segments seems to be difficult sometimes for bitstreaming but not for decoding internally to LPCM (maybe decoding has to provide better synchronisation with video to meet HDMI standards).

The issue is not really a firmware problem with the Oppo that needs to be fixed, but a result of disc authoring and audio hardware design inadequacies, IMO.

If ISO firmware is useful to you and the other firmware issues unimportant, then stick with the ISO firmware: most of the playback issues you might face are due in large part to the DRM tactics used on newer titles and not a deficiency in the Oppo. Since you are using ISO firmware, ripping a problematic title will often cure many of the ills (especially if you use AnyDVD SpeedMenu), although not the audio popping issue unless you rip as movie-only (which consolidates fragmented files into a single contiguous file).
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