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post #2701 of 25184
12/18/10 at 9:27pm
I use HDMI1 to the tv and hdmi 2 to the receiver.. seems to be working fine for me.

Jacob
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post #2702 of 25184
12/18/10 at 9:41pm
Maybe I am just drinking the koolaid, but after this update the picture while playing Se7en was superior to my 83 and pre updated 93. Picture seemed to have more detail, better color balance and blacks/gray better detail too. What little color this movie had popped when present. It felt like Morgan Freeman was sitting next to me. What a demo disk for this player. I will be doing another rewatch of something again in the morning to see what I notice after day one. Netflix looked great, no issues at start up and the picture looked good. Downloaded about 30 digital copies (busy holiday deal shopping) and the Oppo would find the movies and info fine via my USB drive but would not play them telling me the file format wp4 was not supported. Disk is Fat 32 formatted. Would like to figure this out soon - passed 80 today and still a few to go/come. Any tips please.
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post #2703 of 25184
12/18/10 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Maybe I am just drinking the koolaid, but after this update the picture while playing Se7en was superior to my 83 and pre updated 93. Picture seemed to have more detail, better color balance and blacks/gray better detail too. What little color this movie had popped when present. It felt like Morgan Freeman was sitting next to me. What a demo disk for this player. I will be doing another rewatch of something again in the morning to see what I notice after day one. Netflix looked great, no issues at start up and the picture looked good. Downloaded about 30 digital copies (busy holiday deal shopping) and the Oppo would find the movies and info fine via my USB drive but would not play them telling me the file format was not supported. Disk is Fat 32 formatted. Would like to figure this out soon - passed 80 today and still a few to go/come. Any tips please.

Whose digital copies are you buying. They may be copy protected so that the 93 can't play them.
--Bob
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post #2704 of 25184
12/18/10 at 9:48pm
I only have the dvd of seven. I believe about the PQ being better. you are not alone. dvds look better as well.

Jacob
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post #2705 of 25184
12/18/10 at 10:08pm
I'm getting itchy to buy a 3D Blu-ray player. Does anyone know when this player will actually be available to the masses?
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post #2706 of 25184
12/18/10 at 10:13pm
Thread Starter 
Sooner rather than later. By year's end at the most I would bet.
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post #2707 of 25184
12/18/10 at 10:17pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Sooner rather than later. By year's end at the most I would bet.

That would be excellent, although aren't there still a lot of problems being found?
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post #2708 of 25184
12/18/10 at 10:40pm
Thread Starter 
There always will be. It is a matter of how big they are, how many people are affected, and how often will they occur. If you look at the type of responses you are seeing, most of the big issues have been resolved, with really only a couple of small introduced errors. This is "good enough" if OPPO wants a release candidate.
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post #2709 of 25184
12/18/10 at 11:01pm
its more "ready" then most players that are released. I stand by that statement.

Jacob
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post #2710 of 25184
12/18/10 at 11:27pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Do you want to be more specific what your issues are? Like Bob Pariseau I use HDMI 1 exclusively through my receiver, receiver to projector and have not had any issues with this configuration.

Neuromancer:

I thought I had to make another cable run from the Oppo to my pre-pro on HDMI 2 and a direct on from the Oppo HDM1 1 to the TV. Right now, I run from Oppo->Pre-Pro -> TV.

So if HDMI 1 is sufficient for audio and video, what's the purpose for HDMI 2?
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post #2711 of 25184
12/18/10 at 11:36pm
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post


Neuromancer:

I thought I had to make another cable run from the Oppo to my pre-pro on HDMI 2 and a direct on from the Oppo HDM1 1 to the TV. Right now, I run from Oppo->Pre-Pro -> TV.

So if HDMI 1 is sufficient for audio and video, what's the purpose for HDMI 2?

Some receivers can't pass a 3d signal, in which case you can have a dedicated hdmi output for sound to the receiver and one for 3d video to the tv directly, bypassing the receiver.
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post #2712 of 25184
12/19/10 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

its more "ready" then most players that are released. I stand by that statement.

Jacob

Now I agree with you ,Jacob. The 93 looks great and ready for the big public, although this is up to Oppo and the Beta testers.
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post #2713 of 25184
12/19/10 at 12:42am
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

its more "ready" then most players that are released. I stand by that statement.

Jacob

With the original firmware that the pre-release version shipped with the BDP-93 was definitely not "ready". Frankly, I believe that the initial beta testing was flawed and that there wasn't enough testing of all the features. It seems pretty obvious from looking at the AVS forums that the majority of the beta testers that post here focus on key aspects of the player while other things basically get ignored and those things don't get adequate testing.

Myself and other people I know who received pre-release BDP-93's were extremely close to returning them for a refund due to numerous major issues. We are also the owners of the BDP-83 and found the 93 in its pre-release form to be lacking and very buggy. I also must say that while I have also received wonderful support from Oppo via email or on the phone in the past the situation with the pre-release support and bug reporting with the 93 left much to be desired. It became apparent very quickly that not all the Oppo customer service staff really knew anything about the product because the ball was dropped in major ways numerous times.

With the above being said, the new official firmware has made enormous strides in resolving numerous issues. Better MKV support is required, however. The DTS in MKV leading to a crash is simply not acceptable and I believe this problem also dates back to the 83.

Long story short, at this point I am mostly happy with the 93 but it will never replace my 83 when it comes to upconverting my DVD collection. For Blu-Ray playback I will, of course, go with the 93 but the 83 will be my DVD player. For people who never had the pleasure of owning or seeing the output of a BDP-83 they won't know any better but as good as the 93 may be for DVD upconversion the fact is the 83 will always be better.

I'm hoping that Oppo resolves a few more critial issues before the official release to the public.
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post #2714 of 25184
12/19/10 at 1:39am
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

I just emailed Oppo about a new, very minor, bug:

"It looks like all my previous problems with HDMI1 handshaking has been fixed but a new one was introduced:

My setup:

Oppo93 to a Panasonic plasma 65V10 through HDMI1
Oppo93 to a Pioneer receiver 94 through HDMI2

When Netflix is started and a movie is selected from the queue, after the "retrieving" and the red bar is filled, 1 or 2 green screen is flashed for a fraction of a second, like a handshaking is taking place again between the player and the display.

This ONLY happens when HDMI1 is used, never happens when HDMI2 is used to send the video. (I tested).

NO other handshaking problem so far, tested DLNA streaming, Blockbuster online, bluray and DVDs. Everything else looks great and this is a very MINOR bug but I guess you always aim for a perfect player."

I've seen this too but also with BD, although with BD it was waith S & M test disc with Oppo outputting in source mode. Now reverted to 1080p output and with BD issue has not recurred.

blairy
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post #2715 of 25184
12/19/10 at 2:55am
Is 24P still broken? I have my OPPO-93 connected to my processor and have my Pioneer Plasma connected to the processor using HDMI.I an using HDMI-1 in the OPPO-93 and turned on 24p and a slight lag in speech as in the original firmware.I have updated to the new firmware and it is better but not still in sync.I turn OFF 24P and it all good so there must still be a problem in 24P.Is OPPO aware of this problem???
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post #2716 of 25184
12/19/10 at 4:11am
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

I have encountered a problem playing a 5.1 DTS CD of The Police - Every Breath You Take.

My BDP93 is set to bitstream audio and is connected via hdmi 1 to an
Onkyo PR-SC885 processor. When I insert this disc I get severe
static during track 1. Prior to playing this disc I was listening to a SACD,
if that matters. However, changing HDMI Audio to LPCM fixes the problem.
If I change back to bitstream on the fly if plays fine too. I haven't been
able to re-create the problem again.

I'm running the latest firmware and I didn't try the same disc on prior
firmware, so I'm not sure if it existed previously.

Just curious if anyone else was experiencing something similar?

Please report this problem to Oppo. I am having no audio when change from SACD to DTSCD. Only way to correct is to do a few reloads.
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post #2717 of 25184
12/19/10 at 6:08am
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Originally Posted by Kincaid View Post

With the original firmware that the pre-release version shipped with the BDP-93 was definitely not "ready".


That statement has been made by him several times, and it's completely UNTRUE. This is my 7th blu-ray player, and was by far the buggiest out of the box. Now Im not ragging on the 93, because I understand it's still a prerelease, but to "stand" by a comment that it was more ready to go outta the box than other players is ludicrous.
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post #2718 of 25184
12/19/10 at 6:10am
Hello Kincaid. Could you elaborate more on your post. I thought the BDP-93 was suppose to have better upconverting capabilities (for standard DVD) than its predecessor, the BDP-83. This concerns me. I ask because I will become a BDP-93 owner when its officially released.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Kincaid View Post

With the original firmware that the pre-release version shipped with the BDP-93 was definitely not "ready". Frankly, I believe that the initial beta testing was flawed and that there wasn't enough testing of all the features. It seems pretty obvious from looking at the AVS forums that the majority of the beta testers that post here focus on key aspects of the player while other things basically get ignored and those things don't get adequate testing.

Myself and other people I know who received pre-release BDP-93's were extremely close to returning them for a refund due to numerous major issues. We are also the owners of the BDP-83 and found the 93 in its pre-release form to be lacking and very buggy. I also must say that while I have also received wonderful support from Oppo via email or on the phone in the past the situation with the pre-release support and bug reporting with the 93 left much to be desired. It became apparent very quickly that not all the Oppo customer service staff really knew anything about the product because the ball was dropped in major ways numerous times.

With the above being said, the new official firmware has made enormous strides in resolving numerous issues. Better MKV support is required, however. The DTS in MKV leading to a crash is simply not acceptable and I believe this problem also dates back to the 83.

Long story short, at this point I am mostly happy with the 93 but it will never replace my 83 when it comes to upconverting my DVD collection. For Blu-Ray playback I will, of course, go with the 93 but the 83 will be my DVD player. For people who never had the pleasure of owning or seeing the output of a BDP-83 they won't know any better but as good as the 93 may be for DVD upconversion the fact is the 83 will always be better.

I'm hoping that Oppo resolves a few more critial issues before the official release to the public.
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post #2719 of 25184
12/19/10 at 6:16am
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

Hello Kincaid. Could you elaborate more on your post. I thought the BDP-93 was suppose to have better upconverting capabilities (for standard DVD) than its predecessor, the BDP-83. This concerns me. I ask because I will become a BDP-93 owner when its officially released.

Thanks

It's been discussed here a few times. The DVD playback some of us have seen vs another scaling unit is not as good (not bad either). This is being worked on.
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post #2720 of 25184
12/19/10 at 6:21am
I had some experience with other players and they were not ready. they were the under the 250 market. one thing would work, but not the other. that is why I stated that.
I dont do sacds or copies of blu rays and stuff. I am not interested in that. I guess others are. I believe the new firmware fixed the dvd upconversion and it looks fine to me. I dont know if the oppo 83 is better or not. I own both of them. I have been mostly using the 93.

Jacob
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post #2721 of 25184
12/19/10 at 6:29am
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

I thought the BDP-93 was suppose to have better upconverting capabilities (for standard DVD) than its predecessor, the BDP-83.

That's just not true. Both chips have their virtues but neither is obviously superior to the other. Neither is made of magic pixie dust; both have to be supported by proper programming in the firmware. The -93 is still being adjusted during the pre-release period.

-Bill
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post #2722 of 25184
12/19/10 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

If anybody is interested in knowing what the 93 is capable of with Netflix, try "The Client".

Slimoli, if you don't mind I'd like to ask you directly, can you get closed captions or subtitles with Netflix on the 93?
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post #2723 of 25184
12/19/10 at 7:12am
I'd like to verify with someone using this player and a Pioneer 5080 panel using hdmi that the audio doesn't drop out. I tried 2 different bdp 80's with this panel and both had audio drop outs in the same fashion. This is definitely a compatibility issue as I've had 5 players connected with same cables and input without a problem but Oppo refused to admit a problem on their end and it cost me shipping.

Long story short, I will not try another Oppo without someone confirming that it will work with a Pioneer 5080 panel without audio drop-outs.
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post #2724 of 25184
12/19/10 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by voigtskins View Post

Is 24P still broken? I have my OPPO-93 connected to my processor and have my Pioneer Plasma connected to the processor using HDMI.I an using HDMI-1 in the OPPO-93 and turned on 24p and a slight lag in speech as in the original firmware.I have updated to the new firmware and it is better but not still in sync.I turn OFF 24P and it all good so there must still be a problem in 24P.Is OPPO aware of this problem???

From day one (my player shipped the day of the pre-release email) I have not experienced any lip synch (and I am sensitive to it) running my 93 via HDMI 1 (bitstream) to my Pioneer SC-07 receiver (video is just passing through) to a Pioneer 5020 display. 24P has been on since I set up the player the day I ripped open the box Settings details for you?

ElwayLite (fellow Alabama resident) I have to disagree that the 93, even though it had issues, couldn't have released with the first firmware. You must be luckier than I have been with your selection of players because all of mine gave me plenty of fun after purchase just trying to play a movie correctly (Sony BP300, Panny 30 and 35, LG BH200, Pioneer 51). I have not had one blu-ray not play perfectly with my 93 (30+ old/new) - I can't say that about any of the 5 in () and my 83 - and this is a blu-ray player first and foremost with MANY other benefits. Yes I know most of us buy it for the many/universal.

My other two Oppos and this player improved with updates too but if you look at the threads for any blu-ray player none of them would be released if everything promised was expected to work for everyone who bought them. I just don't think that's possible today with the vast assortment of A/V gear that a player has to work with properly - your setup is a good example. Is a true universal player ever ready or complete - just look at the Denon threads.

I am also surprised that more hasn't been said about some of the issues we have experienced with the 93 having more to do with HDMI 1.4 than the player itself. Problems with the new Pioneer receivers being a great example, handshakes the other. Everything I have read about 1.4 makes me want to stay away from it and I like the 93 since the dual HDMI outs eliminate the need for a new receiver if I ever go 3D - can you say no glasses? I like my fairly new receiver (1.4) that is used in my secondary setup but I have had more HDMI handshake issues over the past few months then I did with my old receiver (1.3). Sorry for the rant.
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post #2725 of 25184
12/19/10 at 7:42am
Id agree, on playback, it plays just fine on almost everything ive thrown at it (reported a couple of weird movie bugs). It's more the wireless loss of connection and the handshake problems. Having a player that released with a handshake that wild, is a little too much for public release, and the wireless auto reconnect is elementary, and should not be something I would have to do everytime. It's a great player, but a certain person here is playing it up, and also goes into other threads for other players and hypes Oppo. That was more part of my comment than anything.

I've not tried the wireless yet, but the handshake is a lot better, so it's close. I have heard of a skip audio bug for some folks, when skipping trailers to get to the movie menu. This was introduced in this new FW, but I do not have that problem. I bet one more update and we are ready to go.
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post #2726 of 25184
12/19/10 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

From day one (my player shipped the day of the pre-release email) I have not experienced any lip synch (and I am sensitive to it) running my 93 via HDMI 1 (bitstream) to my Pioneer SC-07 receiver (video is just passing through) to a Pioneer 5020 display. 24P has been on since I set up the player the day I ripped open the box Settings details for you?

ElwayLite (fellow Alabama resident) I have to disagree that the 93, even though it had issues, couldn't have released with the first firmware. You must be luckier than I have been with your selection of players because all of mine gave me plenty of fun after purchase just trying to play a movie correctly (Sony BP300, Panny 30 and 35, LG BH200, Pioneer 51). I have not had one blu-ray not play perfectly with my 93 (30+ old/new) - I can't say that about any of the 5 in () and my 83 - and this is a blu-ray player first and foremost with MANY other benefits. Yes I know most of us buy it for the many/universal.

My other two Oppos and this player improved with updates too but if you look at the threads for any blu-ray player none of them would be released if everything promised was expected to work for everyone who bought them. I just don't think that's possible today with the vast assortment of A/V gear that a player has to work with properly - your setup is a good example. Is a true universal player ever ready or complete - just look at the Denon threads.

I am also surprised that more hasn't been said about some of the issues we have experienced with the 93 having more to do with HDMI 1.4 than the player itself. Problems with the new Pioneer receivers being a great example, handshakes the other. Everything I have read about 1.4 makes me want to stay away from it and I like the 93 since the dual HDMI outs eliminate the need for a new receiver if I ever go 3D - can you say no glasses? I like my fairly new receiver (1.4) that is used in my secondary setup but I have had more HDMI handshake issues over the past few months then I did with my old receiver (1.3). Sorry for the rant.

Oppo made it clear that there would be issues with the pre-release. I am wondering if some of the pre-release buyers are forgetting this. Regarding the issues with Pioneer receivers. I reported this a while back to Oppo and they have been working on it since that time. It seems that there is some kind of bug in the the Pioneer receiver firmware that causes a quick shut down when both the Oppo and the Pioneer are connected to the internet. If you remove either the Pioneer or the Oppo from the net one will not have the problem. This can be done until Oppo comes up with a fix. I would not be surprised to see and many of the other issues also resolved soon. If you owned the BDP83 you know that it only got better with each firmware release. I am sure the same will be true with the 93. The latest firmware proves this point.

BDP93 Beta Tester.
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post #2727 of 25184
12/19/10 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Sorry for the rant.

I wouldn't consider it a rant. You touched on several very valid points.

For someone to make a box (with several functions/capabilities) that perfectly worked with every known device capable of connecting directly or indirectly via all known connection possibilities,,,, seems mind boggling. Even if looking at one function yet still considering all known devices/units that would connect it still amazes me. Standards or not, the sheer amount of combined hardware, software, and firmware just beg for incompatibility / "error" issues.

Cheers
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post #2728 of 25184
12/19/10 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by AYColumbia View Post

I wasn't quite right in my quick test earlier. I had a chance to better test this tonight and it's still off by 70ms but still much better than before. I emailed Oppo.

Oppo replied on this and they're aware of the audio/video sync issue that still exists when 24p is turned on. I've confirmed that turning 24p off has no sync issues on HDMI 1.
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post #2729 of 25184
12/19/10 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by pwald View Post

Slimoli, if you don't mind I'd like to ask you directly, can you get closed captions or subtitles with Netflix on the 93?

No, but isn't Oppo's fault. Netflix only released the new software that allows 5.1 audio and subtitles to the PS3. It will be available to other players soon, hopefuly to the 93 as well.

No CC, some titles have English subtitles as an option (you must select it when it's available). I'm afraid most titles will never have subtitles, though. Obviously , foreign movies spoken in foreign language already have subtitles.
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post #2730 of 25184
12/19/10 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by AYColumbia View Post

Oppo replied on this and they're aware of the audio/video sync issue that still exists when 24p is turned on. I've confirmed that turning 24p off has no sync issues on HDMI 1.

Ahh, then it wasn't just me.

I was watching Lie To Me the other day and I spent an hour messing with the A/V Sync via my Onkyo.

Then I play Torchwood and no lip sync issues. Lie To Me was 24FPS (I had the Oppo set to auto) and Torchwood was 60FPS.

Glad they are aware of the issue and at least there is a workaround in the short term (i.e. turn off 24FPS.)
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