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post #2761 of 25204
12/19/10 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post

Not to be flip -- but what is Matroska anyway? I've never heard of it -- so I can't imagine that its a big important feature (not that I've heard of everything). I don't think fixing obscure stuff that affects 3% of the population of buyers matters that much. ANd isn't blu-ray playback the most important thing for this player? Is there anything wrong there?

There are tons of file formats with DLNA I never heard of -- and I'm sure matter to very few people. Streaming is secondary (at least for me). After all, its a blu-ray player (that ALSO does streaming).

Matroska is mkv files...not very obscure. Streaming is very important, especially on a streaming player.
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post #2762 of 25204
12/19/10 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post

Not to be flip -- but what is Matroska anyway? I've never heard of it -- so I can't imagine that its a big important feature (not that I've heard of everything).

Matroska is a container format. It's extremely versatile. The file extension is MKV for video. It's a wonderful container format.

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I don't think fixing obscure stuff that affects 3% of the population of buyers matters that much. ANd isn't blu-ray playback the most important thing for this player? Is there anything wrong there?

Matroska is far from obscure. Regardless, take a look at the Oppo BDP-93 specs. Support is listed. As such it should work without issues like DTS causing the player to freeze in a Matroska container. I would also remind you of the name of the player. This is the Oppo BDP-93 Universal Network 3D Blu-Ray Disc Player. It's not just a Blu-Ray player and the name implies as much. When a product does this it then has the responsibility to live up to everything it claims to do and this is especially true of the features they list on the specs. Support it or don't. Don't do a half-assed job.

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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post

There are tons of file formats with DLNA I never heard of -- and I'm sure matter to very few people. Streaming is secondary (at least for me). After all, its a blu-ray player (that ALSO does streaming).

The BDP-83 had experimental and unsupported streaming. As such Oppo could get away with not supporting it and given it was added after the fact there were limitations to what could be done. This was completely acceptable and understandable. This time around streaming is part of the product and it's official. It sure as heck better function as it should.

You may not care about the superfluous features that are part of the BDP-93 specs because you may not need them but many people will specifically buy the player because of those features and I am one of those people. I expect the product to work as advertised when all is said and done. Partial and buggy Matroska support isn't acceptable and frankly I'm baffled as to why they can't just get it working right.

There are still a few other non-Matroska issues but since you asked about Matroska that is why I am replying about Matroska support.

One of the issues I've had with testing this time around is that I believe the main focus of it was all on Blu-Ray playback and DVD playback. I think the testing for the extra features was given a lower value. Each and every advertised feature needs to be tested equally and problems need to be resolved. That's simply how things should work.
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post #2763 of 25204
12/19/10 at 2:50pm
Kincaid,

I stream tons of mkv, are there any you can link me to or send that I could try for you to help?
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post #2764 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:06pm
My desired setup (which I can't quite do with the current firmware) is this.

HDMI 1 -> Denon 3310CI -> TV for everyday audio/video use
HDMI 2 -> TV direct connection for 3D only.

The problem with the original firmware was that with HDMI 1 set as the primary output, there was no audio over HDMI 1. So, I had two switch them, HDMI 1 to the TV for 3D, HDMI 2 through the Denon for everyday use.

Things are a little improved now, With HDMI 1 as the primary output, there is audio, on HDMI, but it is limited. I played back 24/96 stereo and 5.1 flac from a USB drive that play perfectly over HDMI 2, but through HDMI 1 they are all resampled to stereo 48Khz.

So, still have to stick to HDMI 2 for everyday use.

My only other issue is that some 24/88.2 stereo flac's don't play right, lots of helicopter noise interspersed with the audio.
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post #2765 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

After the new firmware was installed, PS3 Media Server no longer plays DVD ISO. I can see the files but when I hit "transcode" nothing happens and the green arrow is the only option.

I also noticed the Oppo 93 no longer shows up on the PS3MS screen as it used to. I have the 93 .conf file .

You need to change the following:
UserAgentSearch=OPPO PLAYER

to:
UserAgentSearch=IPI/1.0 UPnP/1.0 DLNADOC/1.50

in your "conf" file.

It seems that OPPO changed the name of the player when it is connecting with DLNA.
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post #2766 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by Kincaid View Post

Matroska is a container format. It's extremely versatile. The file extension is MKV for video. It's a wonderful container format.



Matroska is far from obscure. Regardless, take a look at the Oppo BDP-93 specs. Support is listed. As such it should work without issues like DTS causing the player to freeze in a Matroska container. I would also remind you of the name of the player. This is the Oppo BDP-93 Universal Network 3D Blu-Ray Disc Player. It's not just a Blu-Ray player and the name implies as much. When a product does this it then has the responsibility to live up to everything it claims to do and this is especially true of the features they list on the specs. Support it or don't. Don't do a half-assed job.



The BDP-83 had experimental and unsupported streaming. As such Oppo could get away with not supporting it and given it was added after the fact there were limitations to what could be done. This was completely acceptable and understandable. This time around streaming is part of the product and it's official. It sure as heck better function as it should.

You may not care about the superfluous features that are part of the BDP-93 specs because you may not need them but many people will specifically buy the player because of those features and I am one of those people. I expect the product to work as advertised when all is said and done. Partial and buggy Matroska support isn't acceptable and frankly I'm baffled as to why they can't just get it working right.

There are still a few other non-Matroska issues but since you asked about Matroska that is why I am replying about Matroska support.

One of the issues I've had with testing this time around is that I believe the main focus of it was all on Blu-Ray playback and DVD playback. I think the testing for the extra features was given a lower value. Each and every advertised feature needs to be tested equally and problems need to be resolved. That's simply how things should work.

With all of the file formats/containers out there, I doubt any streaming player can handle all of them perfectly.

I have a dedicated streaming device called Logitech Squeezebox -- even that can't do everything.
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post #2767 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The most likely cause is the DLNA server software setup you are using on your main computer to make those files visible to the player.

Read back through the thread for comments from folks using, say, Twonky, or Tiversity, etc.
--Bob

Hi Bob,

I'm not sure I understand how this Twonky works? did not find anything on Tiversity in this thread, but I will Google it.

All I want is to watch movies that I already have on my computer downstairs.

Cheers
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post #2768 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by sigmaace01 View Post

Kincaid,

I stream tons of mkv, are there any you can link me to or send that I could try for you to help?

I can't right now because I've pretty much dumped the problematic files that I did have and they were ones I created myself. I got frustrated and switched to another method for playback/streaming. They were taking up too much space in the meantime.

I can tell you that right now the player doesn't support HD audio in a Matroska container when bitstreaming. I cannot currently do this but I have at least one friend who wants to but can't because it's a limitation. This friend has also experienced the DTS crash. This has been brought up with Oppo support.

It'd be wonderful to be able to take video content and do a quick move to an Matroska container keeping the original video and audio format and quality intact and either throw it on an external HDD, flash drive, or stream it and be able to watch it without a problem. Put the file on a centrally accessible server in the house and then be able to stream to my BDP-83 in one room, BDP-93 in another, my Samsung 3D Blu-Ray player that I got for free in yet another, and my Samsung HDTV in yet another room without having to carry discs, flash drives, or HDDs around. Of course with Blu-Ray quality the streaming can't be wireless. I can almost do it but the bitrate is just a tad too high so playback stutters about every 30 to 60 seconds or so and just isn't acceptable. That's not Oppo's fault. That's simply a limitation. As such I just have a wired connection between the device I'm going to stream the HD media to.

AVCHD works so it sure would be nice to now see work done on fixing the remaining Matroska limitations/issues.
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post #2769 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by zredsox View Post

I actually have the issue of only about 1/6 of my folders on an NTFS drive showing data inside them, even though they all actually have music files inside them that can be seen when the drive is connected to a laptop.

The strange part is, that even though I have folders that run from A-Z, via the Oppo browser, folders start at D and then run through Z (with data) and then start again at A going all the way through Z but the second set of folders do not show any data (even though there is data there.)

This is a known, long running issue, which actually seems to have gotten a little worse with the 33-1216 Firmware. I've been working with OPPO on this for some time, but they have been having a hard time getting MediaTek (MTK) to resolve this in their SDK.

There are also additional issues with population densities with DLNA as each DLNA server will send file and folder information differently to the player, so there is no set "standard" as to the limitations of how many files and folders the player may support.
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post #2770 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by Kincaid View Post

AVCHD works so it sure would be nice to now see work done on fixing the remaining Matroska limitations/issues.

Baby steps. As they have shown you they are capable of fixing issues in their product design. They will continue to do so shortly and well into the future.
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post #2771 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by dormie1360 View Post


Ditto. Handshaking MUCH improved over HDMI 1.

Same here through Anthem D2v.
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post #2772 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:35pm
I'm really liking this player, and I was a big fan of the 83 pre-release, as well. Some of us may remember that good as the 83 was / is, there were still some bugs at its end of life.

I had expected one more firmware cycle before general release, but that's because the zoom is broken, and that seems like a basic feature. There are workarounds in some cases, like needing to use "under scan" to watch a 2.35:1 media file in the proper aspect ratio, but not in all cases.

It's strange that mediatek (mostly) and maybe marvell (a little) seem to be at the root of most problems. It's almost like Oppo needs sterner vendor management, or fewer competitors occupying all the suppliers' resources.

I do feel bad for people still on the fence who have the 30 day return clock ticking. That said, 30 days is a long enough time to see another firmware cycle which will hopefully help fence sitters make up their mind.
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post #2773 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:36pm
Any idea when amazon will stock the bdp-93???
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post #2774 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post

Not to be flip -- but what is Matroska anyway?

From Wiki:

"The Matroska Multimedia Container is an open standard free container format, a file format that can hold an unlimited number of video, audio, picture or subtitle tracks inside a single file.[1] It is intended to serve as a universal format for storing common multimedia content, like movies or TV shows. Matroska is similar in concept to other containers like AVI, MP4 or ASF, but is entirely open in specification, with implementations consisting mostly of open source software. Matroska file types are .MKV for video (with subtitles and audio), .MKA for audio-only files and .MKS for subtitles only."
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post #2775 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Baby steps. As they have shown you they are capable of fixing issues in their product design. They will continue to do so shortly and well into the future.

Very true, Neuromancer. Sorry if my annoyance and impatience has seeped into what I wrote. I've tried to be objective in my statements and I've had my BDP-93 since it was first pre-released so I lived through the pre-release growing pains. I've done the right thing and dealt with Oppo in getting things resolved. I kept telling myself to hold on until the next firmware release which is the official one and heck, yes, it is an amazing improvement. The difference is night and day. I just had hoped a few more things might be included but sadly they weren't. I was hoping to see those fixes before the official release of the BDP-93. I think it would have been the best course of action but ultimately Oppo makes decisions based on its own reasons which are most likely a lot different than mine.

Nonetheless, you are absolutely right and it is about baby steps and I sincerely hope Oppo gets things in order so the 93 wipes the floor with all the other universal players on the market at an insanely lower price point.
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post #2776 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by pederb View Post

Hi Bob,

I'm not sure I understand how this Twonky works? did not find anything on Tiversity in this thread, but I will Google it.

All I want is to watch movies that I already have on my computer downstairs.

Cheers

This thread on DLNA choices and setup for use with the Oppo BDP-83 may be helpful:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=17886659

Playing files off your computer requires a DLNA server software package on your computer. So it is not as simple as just having the computer and the 93 on the same network. However, that thread should give you a starting point.

Also check the second post of this (BDP-93) thread for supported file formats. In addition, some files won't play simply because they are copy protected to prevent that.
--Bob
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post #2777 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:52pm
Any idea about when amazon will stock it bob
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post #2778 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by mustangs1 View Post

Any idea about when amazon will stock it bob

Tomorrow is one idea.
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post #2779 of 25204
12/19/10 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by mustangs1 View Post

Any idea about when amazon will stock it bob

There's already some clown in the Amazon marketplace offering the 93 for sale for the special discount price of $1,299.

If past practice is any guide, Oppo will wait until they've handled the initial rush of direct-from-Oppo orders so that they can insure Amazon customers also get quick delivery once that floodgate opens. But perhaps this time, they've already got that in hand. I don't know what the turnaround time is on the Amazon site for a new product listing to migrate out to their servers.
--Bob
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post #2780 of 25204
12/19/10 at 4:01pm
Is tomorrow a possibility ?
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post #2781 of 25204
12/19/10 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by caesar1 View Post

Not to be flip -- but what is Matroska anyway? I've never heard of it -- so I can't imagine that its a big important feature (not that I've heard of everything). I don't think fixing obscure stuff that affects 3% of the population of buyers matters that much. ANd isn't blu-ray playback the most important thing for this player? Is there anything wrong there?

There are tons of file formats with DLNA I never heard of -- and I'm sure matter to very few people. Streaming is secondary (at least for me). After all, its a blu-ray player (that ALSO does streaming).

You might be surprised to hear how many formats under the hood make up the world of digital multimedia. ;-) MKV,being that it's a container format, can house multiple codecs (videos and audio) that are of course obscure to the end user who has never undergone encoding and packing such files.
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post #2782 of 25204
12/19/10 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by mustangs1 View Post

Is tomorrow a possibility ?

Tomorrow! Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, there'll be sun.

(Just keep in mind that tomorrow is ALSO, "always a day away!")
--Bob
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post #2783 of 25204
12/19/10 at 4:04pm
Amazon won't have stock to sell till Oppo gives it to them. Usually this is a few weeks after public release and Oppo has filled all orders and established a reserve of stock.
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post #2784 of 25204
12/19/10 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

You need to change the following:
UserAgentSearch=OPPO PLAYER

to:
UserAgentSearch=IPI/1.0 UPnP/1.0 DLNADOC/1.50

in your "conf" file.

It seems that OPPO changed the name of the player when it is connecting with DLNA.

Thanks Nero, very helpful, as usual. It's working again. Only issues I have with PS3MS and the 93 now are some files that are sent to the player at crazy bitrates after transcoding. Not Oppo's fault.
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post #2785 of 25204
12/19/10 at 4:13pm
OK, so I am an idiot and can't use a remote control.

Wireless Setup. SSID and Key are Alpha/Numeric. Figuring out how to enter numeric is a no brainer even for me, but I have just spent 45 minutes trying to figure out how to enter Alpha characters. What am I missing? Manual does not say. If it was that hard I expect it would be easy to find others having the issue.
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post #2786 of 25204
12/19/10 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by VinceP View Post

OK, so I am an idiot and can't use a remote control.

Wireless Setup. SSID and Key are Alpha/Numeric. Figuring out how to enter numeric is a no brainer even for me, but I have just spent 45 minutes trying to figure out how to enter Alpha characters. What am I missing? Manual does not say. If it was that hard I expect it would be easy to find others having the issue.

Highlight the field you are trying to fill in (e.g., SSID).

Press Enter on the remote.

RESULT: An on-screen keyboard will appear.
--Bob
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post #2787 of 25204
12/19/10 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I haven't heard of a DLNA server that supports AVCHD. If anyone comes across an example of such a server and a client that handles it, I would like to hear the details.

-Bill

Bill,
Didn't see AVCCHD, but just about everything else---Mezzmo, check it out.
http://www.conceiva.com/products/mezzmo/default.asp
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post #2788 of 25204
12/19/10 at 4:22pm
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Thank you for your interest in our upcoming OPPO BDP-93 Blu-ray Disc Player. The wait is finally over - the OPPO BDP-93 is now available for sale on our website at http://www.oppodigital.com.

Based and expanded upon our award-winning BDP-83 Blu-ray player, the BDP-93 adds 3D Blu-ray support, internet streaming (Netflix, Blockbuster), Dual-HDMI outputs, eSATA, Wi-Fi, RS-232, and a new video processor with enhanced noise reduction. For more information about the OPPO BDP-93, go to http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-93.

Sincerely,

Customer Service

OPPO Digital, Inc

Oppo BDP-93 now officially available. Perhaps we can change the title of this thread now.
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post #2789 of 25204
12/19/10 at 4:30pm
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post #2790 of 25204
12/19/10 at 4:30pm
OPPO 93 is now available on their web site for general purchase. They must feel this past update is sufficient enough for general release of the player.
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