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post #2971 of 26588
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Originally Posted by ibre34 View Post

I don't undestand. You use your plasma for audio? you don't have a receiver?

My setup is
OPPO 93 HDMI 1 to Pioneer SC-37 AVR
OPPO 93 HDMI 2 to Pioneer 500M plasma

No problems so far

I'm curious: Why do you use HDMI2 to the display if only HDMI1 has the better video processor (Marvel) ? The picture should be better if processed by the Marvel.
post #2972 of 26588
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Originally Posted by ibre34 View Post

I don't undestand. You use your plasma for audio? you don't have a receiver?

My setup is
OPPO 93 HDMI 1 to Pioneer SC-37 AVR
OPPO 93 HDMI 2 to Pioneer 500M plasma

No problems so far

Yes, hdmi into the 5080 and digital out into 2 channel audio system. Occasionally I don't feel like firing up the sound system. No hiccups on digital out but every dvd, never bd, the audio would cut out intermittently several times during a movie. I've not had a lick of trouble from Toshiba, Marantz, Panasonic or Pioneer players.
post #2973 of 26588
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Originally Posted by marcuslaw View Post

Sorry to interrupt the technical discussions, but I was wondering if anyone can tell me how long after initial launch before a new Oppo model starts to drop in price? How far down in price might this go from $499? Lastly, if this isn't the right one, is there a more appropriate thread in which to ask? Thanks for the help gents.

Aside from occasionally selling refurb units, OPPO has never lowered the price on any of their players below the initial price during the product lifecycle. So aside from being able to get free shipping from Amazon once they have them in stock, don't expect to save anything by waiting some number of months because it will still be $499 2, 6, or 12 months from now.
post #2974 of 26588
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Originally Posted by marcuslaw View Post

Sorry to interrupt the technical discussions, but I was wondering if anyone can tell me how long after initial launch before a new Oppo model starts to drop in price? How far down in price might this go from $499? Lastly, if this isn't the right one, is there a more appropriate thread in which to ask? Thanks for the help gents.

Typically, OPPO nor any authorized retailers discount OPPO units. It will most likely be $499 for the duration..
post #2975 of 26588
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

I'm curious: Why do you use HDMI2 to the display if only HDMI1 has the better video processor (Marvel) ? The picture should be better if processed by the Marvel.

No, my bad. I can't type today

HDMI 1 to Kuro
HDMI 2 to AVR
post #2976 of 26588
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Originally Posted by ibre34 View Post

I don't undestand. You use your plasma for audio? you don't have a receiver?

My setup is
OPPO 93 HDMI 1 to Pioneer SC-37 AVR
OPPO 93 HDMI 2 to Pioneer 500M plasma

No problems so far

Wouldn't you want to use HDMI 1 to the plasma because that's where the QDEO chip is? Or is there something I'm missing (owner of BDP-83)?
post #2977 of 26588
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Originally Posted by marcuslaw View Post

Sorry to interrupt the technical discussions, but I was wondering if anyone can tell me how long after initial launch before a new Oppo model starts to drop in price? How far down in price might this go from $499? Lastly, if this isn't the right one, is there a more appropriate thread in which to ask? Thanks for the help gents.

Never, none, and probably yes


Oops, didn't see the earlier posts.
post #2978 of 26588
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Originally Posted by pentium7 View Post

Hello everyone.

I have a 93 on the way should be here Thursday. Has anyone used a HDMI splitter yet? Here is my situation. Below are the pertinent items to my question
I ordered 2 of the following http://sewelldirect.com/Sewell-HDMI-...itter-v13b.asp
Now I know they are not HDMI v1.4 however all the reading I have done seems to indicated 1.3 has the same bandwidth and the recievers just won't pass the handshake because they don't know the language (don't get me started why my $15K in 2 receivers aren't firmware updated to allow me to use them as a switcher)
So my biggest concern is will my AVP / JVC-RS2 send out any response to handshaking from the oppo 93 if they are powered off, this would possibly interfere with the Samsung 3D handshake. Any opinions or has anyone tried this?
Thanks in advance.

I do not use any splitters on my 93, yet use several through-out my house on my other BD, Receivers, Dish Receivers, Xbox, plasmas etc..

All I can say is just try it and see what works. I have had several different brands of HDMI splitters/matrix devices and some work where others would not.. At the price point all you can do is experiment. I have however had the best luck with the monoprice HDMI devices..

Also, splitters are usually "handshake friendlier" than the matrix devices so you may find that everything goes smoothly. Near all of my incompatibilities involved trying to route different sources to multiple displays at different times etc..

Just make sure to turn off any CEC or auto HDMI sensing activities in your connected units etc.
post #2979 of 26588
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty View Post

I do not use any splitters on my 93, yet use several through-out my house on my other BD, Receivers, Dish Receivers, Xbox, plasmas etc..

All I can say is just try it and see what works. I have had several different brands of HDMI splitters/matrix devices and some work where others would not.. At the price point all you can do is experiment. I have however had the best luck with the monoprice HDMI devices..

Also, splitters are usually "handshake friendlier" than the matrix devices so you may find that everything goes smoothly. Near all of my incompatibilities involved trying to route different sources to multiple displays at different times etc..

Just make sure to turn off any CEC or auto HDMI sensing activities in your connected units etc.

Thank you and I figured after calling Oppo and Sewell and reading for countless hours I was just going to have to leave the new 3D TV in the HT area where all of the equipment is and test before I mount it and cable it.

Do you know if Denon receivers / JVC-RS2 projector would communicate in any way while being powered off? I've heard some devices still have limited power while off but this isn't really logical to me as it would have to have the HDMI card active to communicate / handshake and that would require more power to be used.

There's a $75 v1.4 splitter that Sewell has backordered that'll be out 12/27/10 so if the 1.3b doesn't work I'll go for that one that will definately pass 3D that I need, then the only thing that can go wrong is if another device sends a handshake while turned off.
post #2980 of 26588
I hooked up my recently updated 93 with a new Marantz SR7005 yesterday. Zero handshake issues and problems so far, just in case anyone is looking into purchasing that particular receiver.
post #2981 of 26588
I took a look at the settings checklist for the 93 and saw that it offers secondary audio. Has anybody tried passing the new audio formats via HDMI and having optical be downmixed at the same time? If my wireless headphones could get some use again, that would be nice.
post #2982 of 26588
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Originally Posted by pentium7 View Post

Do you know if Denon receivers / JVC-RS2 projector would communicate in any way while being powered off? I've heard some devices still have limited power while off but this isn't really logical to me as it would have to have the HDMI card active to communicate / handshake and that would require more power to be used.
There's a $75 v1.4 splitter that Sewell has backordered that'll be out 12/27/10 so if the 1.3b doesn't work I'll go for that one that will definately pass 3D that I need, then the only thing that can go wrong is if another device sends a handshake while turned off.

I run a JVC RS15 and I have not read where it has any HDMI link while off (yours probably doesn't either etc) - I doubt you will have an issue on that end.
I'm not sure about your Denon either. I know my Yamaha has options to keep it powered for both HDMI pass through and ethernet activity but as stated it is an option - as in: on or off.
What you may end up needing is an HDMI/matrix switch where you have multiple inputs and multiple outputs etc. That way there wouldn't be a "sharing" of the HDMI rather a clean "switch" between source and multi displays etc. I did mention I have had difficulties with my matrix splitters/switch yet they were either "no workie" or just struggled to re-establish a handshake after switching etc. My current MP switch works great with about a 2-4 second delay for handshake etc..
But, I've learned that with HDMI and relatively cheep switches/splitters it's a crap shoot as to "if" it will work with the configuration and equipment that I have. Best of luck - keep us posted on your success.
post #2983 of 26588
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Originally Posted by tkbryant View Post

I hooked up my recently updated 93 with a new Marantz SR7005 yesterday. Zero handshake issues and problems so far, just in case anyone is looking into purchasing that particular receiver.

Have you run 3D through it?

S~
post #2984 of 26588
I have read some user reviews and some have mention some issues with the remote. Does anybody know if this has any substance to it. I was thinking about pulling the trigger on this one, but I use the remote that comes with the player and wanted to know if there was something to this and can it be fixed(if there is a problem) in a firmware update.

Look forward to some replies before I swipe the visa.

Tks
Dave
post #2985 of 26588
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Originally Posted by pentium7 View Post

Hello everyone.

I have a 93 on the way should be here Thursday. Has anyone used a HDMI splitter yet? Here is my situation. Below are the pertinent items to my question

Denon AVP and POA HDMI 1.3a
Denon 5308CI HDMI 1.3a
JVC-RS2 1080p Projection
Samsung PN63C8000 (new delivering tomorrow)
Sony PS3 (Fat) 60GB

I ordered 2 of the following http://sewelldirect.com/Sewell-HDMI-...itter-v13b.asp

Now I know they are not HDMI v1.4 however all the reading I have done seems to indicated 1.3 has the same bandwidth and the recievers just won't pass the handshake because they don't know the language (don't get me started why my $15K in 2 receivers aren't firmware updated to allow me to use them as a switcher)

My plan is to use the OPPO 93 as the replacement for my Toshiba XA2 which did my DVD playback before. I plan to split HDMI 1 on the Oppo to both Samsung 3D TV and the AVP receiver (which goes to the projector). I will NOT be using / having power on for both areas (one is HT, the other is bedroom).

So split Oppo 93 HDMI 1 need to ensure I get audio and video (full streams for the AVP) and only need video to the Samsung 3D TV, in which case I will use HDMI 2 as the audio source to my 5308CI which is the receiver for the bedroom area.

The other splitter will be to split the PS3 to both areas as described above. Also have HR21-700 receivers satelite and since I have 2 of them I have 2 HDMI ports with the whole home sharing so DVR1 HDMI to Samsung 3D TV and use optical out for DD 5.1 audio (best satelite offers anyway)

So my biggest concern is will my AVP / JVC-RS2 send out any response to handshaking from the oppo 93 if they are powered off, this would possibly interfere with the Samsung 3D handshake. Any opinions or has anyone tried this?

Thanks in advance.

I've a similar setup to yours though nowhere near the total cost as yours :-). I've 4 HDMI sources - Oppo 93, PS3 40GB, a cable box and an Acer Revo HTPC. 3 displays - JVC HD350 projector and an ASUS LCD monitor in the same room as the sources (my HT room) and a Samsung LCD TV (non-3D) in another room. Only one receiver (Denon 4308) in the HT, but none with the TV (just using the TV speakers).

I'm using a Monoprice 4x2 matrix switch (this one) to split all the 4 sources to the receiver (which then feeds the project and monitor) and to the TV in the other room. The system works well and we can watch two different sources on the PJ and the TV. I don't think you should have any problem with your PJ causing handshake issues even when turned off. Now how well it works when both displays are turned on will depend on the splitter you bought.
I've tried using both HDMI1 and HDMI2 outputs from the 93 and they both work fine.

A bit off topic as this does not directly relate to the 93, but may be useful for you to know that I had also tried a monoprice 1x2 splitter (unpowered) in my previous setup and that did not work at all (none of my displays were able to handshake properly and I ended up returning it). In case this splitter doesn't work out for you, I would highly recommend the switch I have. One big advantage with it is that it has individual power buttons for the two outputs.
I had first tried one of Monoprice's cheaper 4x2 switch but it would not output HD-audio to my receiver because the other output was connected to the Samsung TV (which does not support HD audio), even when the TV was off. Basically I had to completely disconnect the TV from the switch to get HD audio to the receiver. No such problems with the current switch (the only issue is it needs to be reset once in a while which can be done from the remote). You probably do not have this problem as both your receivers support HD audio. Hopefully these splitters will work out for you just fine.
post #2986 of 26588
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Originally Posted by NickFoley View Post

I took a look at the settings checklist for the 93 and saw that it offers secondary audio. Has anybody tried passing the new audio formats via HDMI and having optical be downmixed at the same time? If my wireless headphones could get some use again, that would be nice.

All outputs are active simultaneously and optical/coax will carry Secondary Audio.

Look at the online manual, the section Audio Signal Reference Chart shows what you are getting with different settings and SA on and off.

-Bill
post #2987 of 26588
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Originally Posted by counsil View Post

I have a Denon 4311, Samsung UN55C8000, and the 93...

I tested SACDs and DSD isn't working. PCM does. I am using HDMI 1. HDMI 2 would probably work, but I will just wait for Oppo to fix it as several others have reported DSD not working as well.

The latest firmware revision fixed this for me.

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I am also experiencing lip sync issues.

The lip sync issues aren't as bad, but I am still experiencing them. Turning off 24p doesn't help. Do we think it will get better as time goes on? If not I will return the 93. I am not interested in using HDMI 2.
post #2988 of 26588
The link to the on-line owner's Manual for the European version of the player -- the BDP-93EU -- is now live on the Oppo UK site. English only:

http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/custome...ces/downloads/

--Bob
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I have notice that when I have my player hooked up directly to the tv, that I had gotten better black on black then when going through my receiver. anyone else notice that?
its an onkyo 605.
Jacob
post #2990 of 26588
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

I have notice that when I have my player hooked up directly to the tv, that I had gotten better black on black then when going through my receiver. anyone else notice that?
its an onkyo 605.
Jacob

That suggests there is something wrong in the video levels settings or video input/output format settings in your receiver or TV. To check this, you need to use a calibration disc such as the Spears & Munsil disc which Oppo sells (highly recommended).

Some setup mistakes are easy to make, and easy to fix. Others require more knowledge.

In your case, it could be as simple as that the Picture Mode is different in your TV for the input from the receiver than it is for the input directly from the player.

There is a whole forum here dedicated to video calibration and how to use calibration discs, as well as other tools for more sophisticated calibration.
--Bob
post #2991 of 26588
its not that. I have used a calibration disc.

Jacob
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The good news: My 93 will be delivered tomorrow.
The bad news: I am already regretting it, because I decided to return the refurbed 83SE in order to get the 93. Why?

I don't listen too much to 2ch. anymore, other than for backround. I do enjoy sitting and listening to my limited (50 or so) SACD and A-DVD collection.

My receiver is older, lacking HDMI, so use analogs mostly (sometimes the digi optical), with HDMI video only going only to the projector.

I have an Apple TV for streaming Netflix, so didn't need this feature, although I can use Apple TV elsewhere if I can live with the 93's Netflix implementation.

The thing is, I'm getting older (61 now), and my ears can no longer always tell the difference between the quality of DAC's, which I found out after a long bout of A/B/C comparison listening. I compared the 83SE to my old Denon 2900 with an A-DVD and an SACD mch using analog, and the 83SE bitstreaming optical to the AVR and letting it do decoding / speaker tweaks.

The SE managed to sound slightly better at certain times, but I think the quality of my AVR and ears is really holding me back now.

So, for the $200 difference I can buy a few more SACD's, and the video quality of my substantial SD DVD collection might be slightly better with the NR adjustments of the 93, as they are of varying quality and compression.

The big problem of course, is that even if my ears might not tell the difference in audio quality, my mind will know that the 83SE was better and so I'll miss it.

Woe is me, getting old is hell.

John F
post #2993 of 26588
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

its not that. I have used a calibration disc.

Jacob

Your receiver or your TV is doing something that you're not aware of. That's "black box" logic.
post #2994 of 26588
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Originally Posted by jfried View Post

Woe is me, getting old is hell.

John F

I'm 77 and feel that I should warn you that you may be starting to talk to yourself as well.
post #2995 of 26588
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

I have notice that when I have my player hooked up directly to the tv, that I had gotten better black on black then when going through my receiver. anyone else notice that?
its an onkyo 605.
Jacob

I'll wager you're using different inputs on the TV. Here, black levels are exactly the same from both HDMI-1 and HDMI-2 whether going straight to TV or through AVR.

The obvious reason you see this is that either the AVR is not passing HDMI video un-molested, or that different inputs on the TV are not set up the same.
Also be sure to use explicit color space and resolution settings, not "auto" or source direct.
post #2996 of 26588
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Originally Posted by Dave_1 View Post

I have read some user reviews and some have mention some issues with the remote. Does anybody know if this has any substance to it. I was thinking about pulling the trigger on this one, but I use the remote that comes with the player and wanted to know if there was something to this and can it be fixed(if there is a problem) in a firmware update.

Look forward to some replies before I swipe the visa.

Tks
Dave

I have not had any problems with mine and it works as it should. Some did not like size, touch, looks, etc. I would say it is an industrial strength remote in size and button pushes will be always be different until you use any remote long enough to get used to the feel of it.
post #2997 of 26588
I am using 1080P and using the correct color space. I see more uneven black when using the receiver then on the tv.

Jacob
post #2998 of 26588
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

its not that. I have used a calibration disc.

Jacob

Then what is it showing you as the difference for black levels when you connect direct to the TV vs. through the receiver?

If it is showing a difference, then something needs to be adjusted in either the receiver or the TV, right?
--Bob
post #2999 of 26588
I asked oppo about this. they said:

Your receiver may always be processing the signal internally. On the older receivers there was no way to control the Faroudja DCDi chipset, but at the same time, these chipsets should have only been used for analog to digital video conversion.

Jacob
post #3000 of 26588
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Originally Posted by Jacob305 View Post

I am using 1080P and using the correct color space. I see more uneven black when using the receiver then on the tv.

Jacob

Describe that further. Are you seeing blotchy blacks? Are you seeing false contours? Are you seeing noise in the blacks (e.g., sparklies)?
--Bob
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