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post #331 of 26594
Received the BDP-93 today. Excellent customer service and fast shipping with the unit.

The packaging is excellent. Neat, professional presentation and well packed. The unit itself seems well built and the CD tray is smooth. Fan-less design is great for the listening room.

Sent observations directly to Oppo.
post #332 of 26594
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Originally Posted by eci View Post

Just used mine for an hour. Initials:

I am a FF/RWD guy. The 93 is MUCH smoother and nicer at this than the 83 was. It is very "PS3-like" but of course won't play sped up sound like the PS3 @ 1.5x FF.

I am glad to hear this. This was one of the things I did not like about the 83, especially with DVD's. Besides the not very smooth FF, after fast forwarding and then hitting play, my 83 would jump forward by 5 minutes or so. Although, it does not always do this. Hopefully, the 93 will not do this at all.

Unfortunately, I will probably not get to test it until after tomorrow.
post #333 of 26594
After deciding on this player, I'm getting a little worried after reading all the user posts. I haven't ordered it yet but it is on my list. My concern is the complexity of this unit. My previous BR player experience was put everything on auto & let my AVR decode. Since I own an Elite VSX-03THX, one of the Pioneer models causing problems, I'm experiencing a little fear in pulling the trigger. I don't want to spend hours on the phone with tech support. I run all my sources through the VSX-03. Don't want to change that just yet.
Am I being over paranoid here?
post #334 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Geezer View Post

After deciding on this player, I'm getting a little worried after reading all the user posts. I haven't ordered it yet but it is on my list. My concern is the complexity of this unit. My previous BR player experience was put everything on auto & let my AVR decode. Since I own an Elite VSX-03THX, one of the Pioneer models causing problems, I'm experiencing a little fear in pulling the trigger. I don't want to spend hours on the phone with tech support. I run all my sources through the VSX-03. Don't want to change that just yet.
Am I being over paranoid here?

I'm running my sources through the VSX-03TXH including the BDP-93. I experienced the audio drop with HDMI 1 on auto, but the workaround posted here and via oppo support did the trick. I'm confident the anomalies will be worked out.

The first BD I played was Avatar. The PQ was outstanding, there were moments when it seemed more dimensional and crisper than with the BDP-83.
post #335 of 26594
It looks like the Netflix interface is of the type where you can only watch what is in your queue and not browse like the interface on Xbox 360. Can anyone comment on that?

Secondly can someone comment on quality of video for a HD streaming title on the 93 vs. Xbox or PS3 which are arguably the best video quality right now?
post #336 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Stevo View Post


#5. Not a techical issue per say, but I didn't read the spec closely enough to view that the wirlesss not built in. The wireless dongle occupies the only USB port on the Oppo. Therefore I'll need to run the Oppo into a wireless bridge via RJ45 hardwire to be able to connect to both network and external USB media drive. Not a big deal, but thought to mention in case others are thinking that you can use the 'as boxed' wireless and an external USB media drive solution simultaneously.


There are two usb ports as far as I know. The one in the back, and then one on the front panel.
post #337 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Stevo View Post

#5. Not a techical issue per say, but I didn't read the spec closely enough to view that the wirlesss not built in. The wireless dongle occupies the only USB port on the Oppo. Therefore I'll need to run the Oppo into a wireless bridge via RJ45 hardwire to be able to connect to both network and external USB media drive. Not a big deal, but thought to mention in case others are thinking that you can use the 'as boxed' wireless and an external USB media drive solution simultaneously.

Is it possible to use a USB hub to connect multiple drives and also the wireless adapter? If you have a USB hub lying around may be you can give it a try.
post #338 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Geezer View Post

After deciding on this player, I'm getting a little worried after reading all the user posts. I haven't ordered it yet but it is on my list. My concern is the complexity of this unit. My previous BR player experience was put everything on auto & let my AVR decode. Since I own an Elite VSX-03THX, one of the Pioneer models causing problems, I'm experiencing a little fear in pulling the trigger. I don't want to spend hours on the phone with tech support. I run all my sources through the VSX-03. Don't want to change that just yet.
Am I being over paranoid here?

Don't forget that the player is in pre-release and is being beta tested. This is not the final version of the firmware. I'm sure Oppo will wait to release it to the public until after these beta bugs are worked out. It sounds like you should wait until the official release starts, however I wouldn't worry about Oppo's final quality of their product based on previous reputation.
post #339 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Stevo View Post

#5. Not a techical issue per say, but I didn't read the spec closely enough to view that the wirlesss not built in. The wireless dongle occupies the only USB port on the Oppo. Therefore I'll need to run the Oppo into a wireless bridge via RJ45 hardwire to be able to connect to both network and external USB media drive. Not a big deal, but thought to mention in case others are thinking that you can use the 'as boxed' wireless and an external USB media drive solution simultaneously.

Look at the right side of the front panel - there's a 2nd USB port there under a cover. I'm not sure if anyone has tried it yet (so there's no guarantee that it will work), but you could also try using a USB hub on the rear USB port if you need to connect something in addition to the wireless adapter.
post #340 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

That's funny, I actually felt that the menus were a tad faster than my 83


I did as well. Not by alot but the menu interaction felt a tad snappier in responsiveness.
post #341 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

There are two usb ports as far as I know. The one in the back, and then one on the front panel.

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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Look at the right side of the front panel - there's a 2nd USB port there under a cover. I'm not sure if anyone has tried it yet (so there's no guarantee that it will work), but you could also try using a USB hub on the rear USB port if you need to connect something in addition to the wireless adapter.

Thank you gentlemen!

The front USB 'stealth' port works like a charm. Just tried it with a drive and worked without issue. Appreciate your input. I'll remove the USB comment from the previous post to avoid any confusion.
post #342 of 26594
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I haven't seen flv support. Are you sure?

-Bill

You are right. The disk in the 93 did not show the flv videos--only the divx/avi ones. Thanks for the heads up.
post #343 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Stevo View Post


Thank you gentlemen!

The front USB 'stealth' port works like a charm. Just tried it with a drive and worked without issue. Appreciate your input. I'll remove the USB comment from the previous post to avoid any confusion.

Good to know that the front usb works for your setup, but the problem you mentioned is still valid as not everyone (including me) wants to use the front Usb port for permanently connecting a hard drive. The front port is useful for connecting thumb drives when needed (that's what I use it for on my 83). Also connecting through the front port doesn't look very clean.
So if the USB hub works it is a useful solution for some people. Would be good to know if someone has tried to use one.
post #344 of 26594
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

If your old Pioneer has '6 channel in' connections on the back you can hook up the Oppo's analog out connections. Many older receivers have '6 ch in' connections for hooking up sacd and dvd-a players.
This will allow you to enjoy the lossless audio tracks (DTS-MA for instance) as well as the improved video that bluray offers.

I have found that the hi-def audio is as much of an improvement over the lossy audio as the blu-ray video is an improvement over dvd video.

Might as well take advantage of all the improvements you can.

Tom

I pulled out the manual for my Pioneer vsx-d606s--only 2 rca plug input or digital ac-3/pcm input. I think HDMI to tv and digital from tv to receiver is the best I can get.
post #345 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Stevo View Post

Received the BDP-93 today. Excellent customer service and fast shipping with the unit.

The packaging is excellent. Neat, professional presentation and well packed. The unit itself seems well built and the CD tray is smooth. Fan-less design is great for the listening room.

Unfortunately I've been encountering a number of technical issues on "Day 1" (which may be expected as an early adopter). The issues include:
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Prior to posting any issues I've had with the BDP-93, I checked with Oppo to see how they wanted to handle issues being experienced by people who were receiving pre-release copies.

They indicated that they wanted to see feedback directed to them rather than to have it posted in public forums.

So all of the issues I've had, I've followed up with Oppo directly. Some are known issues, some are that it is just different to the BDP-83 and some require more investigation.

I think it is rather rude to post detailed commentary on your issues publicly given that they've invited you to use a pre-release version of their product.
post #346 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Pride9 View Post

I received the 93 on Monday and activated my Netflix streaming last night and watched The Princess and the Frog (no jokes please) The picture was okay but not nearly Blu-Ray like, which didn't really bother me because it wasn't too bad. My question..... I was only able to receive and output Stereo sound. Will this be all I can expect via Netflix? I have a Denon 3310CI receiver. I have the HDMI 1 to the TV for picture and the HDMI 2 to the receiver for sound. Is there some setting I need to change to get surround sound thru Netflix either on the receiver or Oppo? Thanks.

I would suggest sending that very same commentary and question back in an email as a reply to the email that invited you to buy a pre-release BDP-93.

It has been my experience that Oppo are being quite response to their emails with respect to the BDP-93.
post #347 of 26594
Sent observations directly to Oppo.
post #348 of 26594
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Originally Posted by rakosnicek View Post

Prior to posting any issues I've had with the BDP-93, I checked with Oppo to see how they wanted to handle issues being experienced by people who were receiving pre-release copies.

They indicated that they wanted to see feedback directed to them rather than to have it posted in public forums.

So all of the issues I've had, I've followed up with Oppo directly. Some are known issues, some are that it is just different to the BDP-83 and some require more investigation.

I think it is rather rude to post detailed commentary on your issues publicly given that they've invited you to use a pre-release version of their product.

Concur with your assessment.

You are correct, there was an email provided in the bulletin, so I've forwarded the observations directly to that email address. It was not clear to me that this was the preference, so I'm glad to you mentioned about this approach. (I was under the incorrect impression that it was beta-testers only to provide the feedback directly to the support team).

It was certainly not my intent to be rude, but to get input from others about how to remedy the issues (ie the feedback on the extra USB port).

I've removed the observations from the previous post.
post #349 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

I have a couple of .ts video files on my network drive that the oppo doesn't see. I see in the list of supportd dlna formats that ts files are indeed on the list. Is it possible that they are not yet implemented in this beta firmware?

Does your DLNA server know that the Oppo BDP-93 can handle them?

Could it be the DLNA server that is not sending them rather than the Oppo BDP-93 hiding them?
post #350 of 26594
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Originally Posted by hoyty View Post

It looks like the Netflix interface is of the type where you can only watch what is in your queue and not browse like the interface on Xbox 360. Can anyone comment on that?

Secondly can someone comment on quality of video for a HD streaming title on the 93 vs. Xbox or PS3 which are arguably the best video quality right now?

you can browse but not search -- so i get what looks like most of the same categories as on my xbox for browsing, on the oppo.

so far quality appears similar. with two caveats:

1) i don't have my good display working right now, so this based on comparing them on a 720p lcd display

2) the oppo offers far more video tweaks in terms of post-processing than the xbox does. i haven't tried them all. but that is potentially a big area of flexibility that could make a substantial difference.
post #351 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don
I have a couple of .ts video files on my network drive that the oppo doesn't see. I see in the list of supportd dlna formats that ts files are indeed on the list. Is it possible that they are not yet implemented in this beta firmware?

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Originally Posted by rakosnicek View Post

Does your DLNA server know that the Oppo BDP-93 can handle them?

Could it be the DLNA server that is not sending them rather than the Oppo BDP-93 hiding them?

Downloaded a sample .ts file (football clip), and it displayed correctly @720p resolution on the PC. Placed the file onto USB flash and onto the NAS. The BDP-93 listed the .ts file both when viewing the USB flash, and when viewing the NAS server. However, the file did not play on either drive (it got to around 73% or so, then just returned to the menu again). So it appears that the .ts file is not fully implemented just yet with this firmware.
post #352 of 26594
Quick question on the flexibility of the 93 . Is it possible to switch in say dnla streaming while still having a disc sitting in the player ? Or is it still counterintuitive like the 83 where no disc is a prerequisite ?
post #353 of 26594
Just got the player today, and played with it all night. Loads super fast....which is awesome!

I noticed a few things though. Anyone noticed speaker pops or noise when skipping chapters on a blu-ray? I see this as an issue and will let Opp know.

Also, I had it spit constant static as audio when I paused a movie to mess with the settings, but I think that's forgivable as an HDMI handshake, and normally you wouldn't be messing with settings after every minute of watching.

Do you have to set the crossover setting if you're doing it in the processor? At what? I ask because I think my rear speakers have a higher crossover than the fronts.

I thought the Video Processor was the same as my Anthem after testing both on some DVDs, so I think I'll just leave it in Source Direct.

How do you get the "demo" to work where you can see side by side what the video processor is doing? I turned it on and nothing.
post #354 of 26594
Fyi, Sony are permitted by Netflix to overlay some tweakable video controls/denoise settings over a live Netflix stream. So Oppo should be able to follow suit I would think, if they choose to.
post #355 of 26594
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NewPannyGuy View Post

Is it possible to use a USB hub to connect multiple drives and also the wireless adapter? If you have a USB hub lying around may be you can give it a try.

I've only used a hub to have multiple devices connected to the player, but I have not used it in conjunction with the wireless adapter. There should be no real reason why it would not work. Give it a try and report back.
post #356 of 26594
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chs4000 View Post

Fyi, Sony are permitted by Netflix to overlay some tweakable video controls/denoise settings over a live Netflix stream. So Oppo should be able to follow suit I would think, if they choose to.

As far as has been communicated down, the UI is set by Netflix. Netflix has to decide to allow control over the UI or user experience. Apple and Sony may have the clout to demand that they can make changes, while OPPO may not be able to.
post #357 of 26594
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Stevo View Post

Downloaded a sample .ts file (football clip), and it displayed correctly @720p resolution on the PC. Placed the file onto USB flash and onto the NAS. The BDP-93 listed the .ts file both when viewing the USB flash, and when viewing the NAS server. However, the file did not play on either drive (it got to around 73% or so, then just returned to the menu again). So it appears that the .ts file is not fully implemented just yet with this firmware.

TS works. I've watched several TS files on the BDP-93 with the current firmware. More likely your file is corrupt and is stopping prematurely. Try downloading a replacement copy, or another sample, to see if the same issues exist.

Makaveli Tha Don's issue is that he can't even see the TS files on his NAS, not that they will not playback.
post #358 of 26594
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

Anyone noticed speaker pops or noise when skipping chapters on a blu-ray? I see this as an issue and will let Opp know.

Also, I had it spit constant static as audio when I paused a movie to mess with the settings, but I think that's forgivable as an HDMI handshake, and normally you wouldn't be messing with settings after every minute of watching.

Whenever posting these kind of observations, it will be helpful if you can state which HDMI output you are using, what your HDMI setting is set to under Audio Format Setup, and the receiver you are using.

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Do you have to set the crossover setting if you're doing it in the processor?

You will only mess with Speaker Configuration if you are using the analog outputs for audio. HDMI is not affected by these settings.

Additionally, you should only mess with the Crossover or Trims if your receive can't do analog bass management or speaker adjustments.

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How do you get the "demo" to work where you can see side by side what the video processor is doing?

I believe this is not working yet, but if it is, the only settings which will show an difference are settings which affect the Marvell Qdeo only. This pretty much means on the Sharpness, Noise Reduction, and Color Enhancement settings. All other settings are handled by the decoder solution, so you can't show a difference between standard processing and enhanced processing (as prescribed by the end user).
post #359 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post


I've only used a hub to have multiple devices connected to the player, but I have not used it in conjunction with the wireless adapter. There should be no real reason why it would not work. Give it a try and report back.

Thanks for the confirmation Neuromancer. I'll be using a hub only for connecting couple of drives (that too not right away). Will be using the ethernet connection so don't reality care if the wireless dongle works through the hub or not. But I can certainly try it and post the results.
post #360 of 26594
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Whenever posting these kind of observations, it will be helpful if you can state which HDMI output you are using, what your HDMI setting is set to under Audio Format Setup, and the receiver you are using.

Sorry! Regarding static/pops in the speakers when skipping chapters:

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