Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread - Page 111

Hi All,
I have a newbie question on how best to setup the HDMI connections, I have HDMI 1 going straight to the KURO and HDMI 2 going to a Pioneer SC-27 sound and video are great much better that the old Samsung player.

My question is I have the HDMI 1 on the 93 set to 1080p and the KURO is set to Optimum/PureCinema does this sound like a correct setup? Or am I now over processing the picture?

Thanks in advance,
Andy

Is there a reason there is no audio delay/lip sync feature on the 93 now when it was present on the 83?


Max

I also asked for that but was told I should set it on my receiver.

New receiver is fine but my old one i had one audio delay for all inputs.

Also because their is no seperate cable for audio and for video they should really try to add it in. Even more need for it now.

What happens if folks don't have a receiver? Or in my case, if I want to watch it at low volume using the TV's speakers without bothering to turn on the receiver?

Is it really that difficult a feature to add? Most Blu Ray players include it these days (the Sony S570 that I replaced with the 93 had it) and the thing that puzzles me is that the previous model had it and the new model which is supposed to be an improvement does not.


Max

Couple of questions regarding MKV playback...

1- Does the bdp-93 has the aspect ratio bug with MKV with VC1 video?
2- Does it have the issue with dropped frames with some MKV files? (with VC1 video)
3- Does it support DTS-HD or TrueHD in MKV files?
4- With MKV files that are not 1920x1080 in resolution, does it stretch the image or keep the aspect ratio correctly?
5- Does it support 24hz when playing MKV files from USB or streamed? (either VC1 or h264)

Thanks!

Pitou!

Go over to the applicable Pioneer thread for setting suggestions for your display. I don't know of too many Kuro owners who use Optimum for their setting, but we all have different tastes
Other settings are fine especially if everything is working for you properly. Given your display I would spend the $ and have it calibrated if you haven't - it will be money well spent given you've got a significant investment already with your a/v equipment. Plenty of that information over in the plasma section too.

I forget what has been reported on this. I don't have any VC1 encodes to test. If you could post small sample files somewhere I will check them for you.

People have said no, here.

I have not seen any aspect ratio distortion, but there is a universe of files I have not tested.

That's a long story. With media files that are within the old Standard Definition dimensions (720x480), 24hz is converted to 60hz. Files larger than that are kept at 24hz.

There seems to be a bug in the later case: 24.0hz files keep that frame rate, but 23.976hz files are still converted to 60hz. I think that is an oversight in the firmware and have reported it.

-Bill

I've been pleasantly surprised at how well the BDP-93 displayed a BD file on my home network. The documentation informs users that this aspect of the unit is in beta; nevertheless, it immediately found my servers (Play On, TVersity), dealing flawlessly with the stored music and video files as well as Netflix.

I have also experienced the same issues. A few times the response was so slow that I assumed the player had locked up and powered it down. At one point, it took over a minute for response.

@wmcclain,

Can you try playing these samples?

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JDS8HKA4
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SLTFSEMN
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RB9FAH2P

Thank you very much!

Pitou!

There's no telling how any particular external HDD will behave with respect to power saving modes. Entering the Home menu or selecting one of the media types while in the Home menu will necessitate the HDD to be awake and running for quick response times. (the player has to poll the drive for any interactions in the Home menu).

I'd suggest you be familiar with your own HDDs power saving behavior, because they are all different. There may also be some software available from the drive's maker that allows you to adjust power saving settings in the drive's controller.

My thinking is that any HDD should be always on and running when the player's port is hot (power on state), but this may not be the default state for a particular HDD, or even for ANY newer HDD. In the absence of that "always on" state, you should be expecting some lag times while it is connected. Obviously, the work-around is to disconnect the HDD from the player's port when it's not actually in use.

Played a Blu-Ray backup file from a HDD connected to the rear USB port earlier. Playback was flawless and identical to the original disc when run through the player. During this time there was no disc in the Oppo.

However, after backing out of the screen listing the contents of the HDD and returning to the Home menu, I opened the tray of the player and inserted the BR of The Dark Knight (not a backup). The Oppo showed the disc loading animation in the upper left corner of the screen, and then nothing. The front panel display on the BDP-93 showed "BDMV". The Home menu remained up on the display.

I pressed play on the remote and the disc loaded and began to play - however the Home menu remained on the screen while the disc audio coud be heard playing through my AVR and the front panel display of the player showed the elapsed time counter progress. Switching from HDMI 2 (fed to my display through my AVR) to HDMI 1 (fed direct to the display) to force a new handshake in an effort to close the Home menu showed it too was stuck on the Home menu screen. However, audio output to the AVR through HDMI 2 was cut when this switch was made.

Switched back to HDMI 2 output and audio was restored while the Home menu remained the only video output. However, when I selected the audio button on the menu to see if the player would respond to commands in this scenario, the disc video popped up as the audio menu overlay was displayed. Unfortunately it was only for a few seconds before the Home menu replaced the disc video again. The audio menu overlay remained, however. This behavior also repeated itself when I pressed the Resolution button on the remote - brief disc video until the resolution menu appeared then reverting back to the Home menu.

I had to stop disc playback and power cycle the player to get it back to normal behavior. It's curious because there were no instances of screen blanking during this sequence that would indicate HDMI handshake issues.

I emailed Oppo about this so that they can determine if it's repeatable and if so what is causing the issue.

I haven't seen anything odd. I've been using a 2.35:1 film source for my backup/demux/remux experiments, and the ratio has been faithfully reproduced on my display (Samsung SP-A800B) with VC-1 packed in an MKV.

"some" MKV files is a bit vague -- I have only seen a drop with too little network bandwidth (regardless of file type). Streaming 1080p over wireless is a non-starter for me, as I'm using a G network instead of an N network. My AP is an Apple AirPort Extreme G... I haven't ponied up for the N, and I doubt I'd trust N to stream HD anyway. Wireless is still way too fickle for reliable streaming. A would be better than G for the same speed, but that's moot considering the (max) 54mbps bandwidth would still result in occasionally dropped frames with some files.

Unsure and no, respectively. I have successfully proved a definite lack of support for TrueHD with MKV. DTS-HD I haven't attempted yet, but I'm sure I've got something on my shelf that I can try later. I'm not keeping my hopes up -- seems that the lossless formats don't play nicely with MKV inside the Oppo. This is pure conjecture on my part, but since the hardware is obviously capable, it's probably a licensing limitation -- Dolby is highly draconian in what you must agree to when you license their technology, and they may have tied Oppo's hands with regard to playback of TrueHD when sourced from anything other than pressed media.

I haven't tried. Gimme a bit and I'll see what I can whip up...

All my tested 1080p files have been 23.976hz and have played back just fine via DLNA stream. I highly doubt (given that my PJ is set for 24hz) that the Oppo would bother doing telecine on the sources... but Bill seems to think they are. I'll see if i can tease my Sammy into telling me what it's actually seeing.

I'm talking about playing files from a USB drive. If you can, please download the samples I just posted.
I have a wireless N router and streaming to a Windows PC works fine even with HD streams. Also, just so you know, right now I have the bdp-83 wired.


Thanks very much!


Bill is right, I've seen this issue as well. One trick is to select 24 as the FPS and it plays in 24hz mode.

Thanks for taking time to do some tests!

Pitou!

Thanks SMURRAY

Anyone notice uneveness in the height of the horizontal black bars on movies?

On several blu-rays with the bdp-93 I've noticed the top bar is not as wide as the bottom bar. I believe they were even on my old blu-ray player.

It could be I just didn't notice it before. Could this be the blu-ray disc itself, or could it be the BDP-93?

Now I have a projector with zero overscan -- so those with overscan (all regular TVs) may not notice this.

It looks uncentered this way, so I'm hoping its not the 93.

Use a calibration disc with an Alignment/Overscan pattern and check it. It is either the disc or something is wrong somewhere in your display chain.

-Bill

I see this player has two HDMI outputs ,that are both active at the same time ,can the component output also be used at the same time .(Three monitors at the same time)

I see others have responded but here's my experience with MKV files...


It does not seem to have this bug. AFAIK, I have only one mkv file with VC1 codec and it plays with the correct AR. The same file played "squished" with the 83.


I haven't noticed any dropped frames with any of the mkv files I've played both from the network and usb drive.


Even though lot of people have reported problems with this, all of my mkv files with DTS-HD play fine except for the caveat that the audio is bitstreamed as HI RES instead of MA (which is bitstreamed when playing the same file in m2ts container) and I haven't noticed any SQ difference between the two. This could be because of the quality of my speakers and ears :-), but I can vouch that even if there is a difference it is very minimal.
Can't say for sure about TrueHD.


At least 720p mkv files play fine. Don't know about other non-1080p resolutions.


Yes it does over both network and USB (for 1080p24, I don't have any 24Hz files with other resolutions).

I don't think the issue is with the HDD here. If that was so, the lag should've been seen only when trying to select the USB drive. Instead it is seen even when going into the Network menu. Also note that the 83 didn't have any such lag.

Yes, with some restrictions. 24hz is not a defined mode for component video, so you will get no image over component if one of the HDMI ports is using 24hz.

I believe 24hz is converted to 60hz over component if HDMI is not active.

There is a Primary Output setting with options for HDMI1, HDMI2, and Analog. You are supposed to set this to match your main video output. I'm not sure of the consequences for component when this is set to HDMI1 or 2; the image looks good to me.

-Bill

@NewPannyGuy


I noticed the exact same, except that I get no sound and my receiver seems to try to keep syncing on the audio stream. I have a Rotel RSX1550.

Pitou!

How do you explain this behavior over network which is hardwired and using media server software such as Tversity or even windows media player? The HDD I can understand but Network access or the lockups when streaming from "My Network" would point to the oppo. As a test i connected the same HDD directT to my router waited 30 minutes. I then first tried to access the media using my AVR and was able to get to the audio file in approximately 8 sec. The oppo took almost 33 sec to access the same file. I then tried accessing multiple other content using oppo running and Tversity media pro and thee oppo freezes for almost a full minute trying to navigate the file/folder structure over and over. Same thing when using windows media player as the server. In contrast, I am able to navigate access using a AVR same media in under 16 seconds.

If you care about 3D and need checkerboard format, your options are to get the BDP-93 (or other player that doesn't do checkerboard) and a 3D format converter or get one of the few players that supports checkerboard format. The decision really comes down to price since the 3D format convertor won't be cheap.

There isn't a format converter that will work directly with the Samsung TV's (I'm assuming you have a DLP projection TV with LED lighting), but there is a company selling a Mitsubishi 3DA-1 format converter along with a Gefen HDMI Detective Plus pre-programmed with the appropriate Mitsubishi EDID info that will allow the Mitsubishi format converter to work with the Samsungs. You can find the kits here. At $279, the price is somewhat steep - you can get the 3DA-1 for about $100 and the Gefen HDMI Detective Plus for about $100. So if you have a friend (or friendly local store that sells Mits DLP's) with a Mitsubishi DLP, you could save yourself $80 by assembling the kit yourself and programming the Gefen on your own.

No such issues here with the Denon 4308.

Is it me or is there still an audio sync issue? I had to crank my AVR sync to the max and still could not compensate enough while watching Back to the Future Bluray.

caeguy,

The audio sync issue is probably setup specific. I have yet to have a audio sync issue.


Willie

I played back to the future 1 and 2 with no problems.

Jacob

So why does the Oppo 93 have difficulty playing 3D audio and video (both) out of HDMI output 1 and no trouble playing both out of output 2?