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post #3601 of 25202
12/29/10 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Just completed a comparison of the Oppo 93 and Denon DBP-1611UD. At the usual spot, which I am not supposed to hyperlink

Great review Winston and I recommend it for those considering the 93. You can find it by googling "winstons reviews."
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post #3602 of 25202
12/29/10 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by Cattledog View Post

I may be a cynic but how can Oppo release a product that can't play DVD's at an optimal resolution and quality???? Add in all the other outstanding issues and it looks like the 93 isn't ready for primetime.

CD

CD,

I've compared DVD playback between my BDP-83SE and my BDP-93 and the present state of DVD playback is very, very, very, very good in my setup. If it can get better than great, but if it didn't get any better I personally would have no problem with the BDP-93 as my primary transport for DVD playback in its current state.

Just my $.02.

Also, what are all the other outstanding issues that you are referring to that I may have missed since I've been following this thread from the beginning?


Willie
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post #3603 of 25202
12/29/10 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by Cattledog View Post

I may be a cynic but how can Oppo release a product that can't play DVD's at an optimal resolution and quality???? Add in all the other outstanding issues and it looks like the 93 isn't ready for primetime.

CD

Replying with a quote here but others have asked this question.

Perhaps folks should consider one thing that may have had an influence on Oppo releasing the 93 when they did even with some small bugs and some additions still promised to be forthcoming. The "Analog Sunset" regulation/agreement. Basically any player released AFTER Dec 31 of this year will no longer be able to up convert SD resolution (480 and 576) to 1080 resolution THROUGH ANALOG CONNECTIONS. http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...component-2010 This means if you want to watch your blu-ray movie and see it in full 1080p you better be not be connected using component video...it will have to be a digital connection.

By releasing before the end of the year they avoided putting this restriction on the 93.
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post #3604 of 25202
12/29/10 at 5:19pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Cattledog View Post

I may be a cynic but how can Oppo release a product that can't play DVD's at an optimal resolution and quality???? Add in all the other outstanding issues and it looks like the 93 isn't ready for primetime.

Did you ever stop to consider that the BDP-93 in its current state is still better than other players it is competing against? Which means... *pause for dramatic effect* that the player can only get better?!

If you look at the issues raised, most of them are very specific to the person's home theater configuration (and OPPO has released two test firmware to address the two most common configuration errors) or are related to personal preference/desires/requirements.

Winston's review of the player side-by-side to the Denon DBP-1611UD is a clear example of how well the current BDP-93 competes.
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post #3605 of 25202
12/29/10 at 5:26pm
neuromancer:
I agree with that statement. the oppo 93 does get more right then wrong compared to other players. it was more ready then most players that are released like sony, panasonic, etc.

Jacob
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post #3606 of 25202
12/29/10 at 6:18pm
I'm gonna be emailing Oppo about this later tonight, but today was the first time I've really gotten around to trying out the Netflix capability extensively (been enjoying the local streaming). I must say that, compared to the quality from my PS3 or even the 360 (all setup for 1080p output, and all coming into the TV through the same HDMI out from my receiver, so same source setting on my TV) the Netflix output (at least currently) on the Oppo is VERY sub-par with SD content.

The best way to explain the issue is that the compression on the the Oppo stream appears to be much more blocky than the PS3. It's almost like a higher jpeg compression look vs what the PS3 looks like. When things are in motion (with bright scenes), stuff is more or less okay looking, but as soon as some parts of the scene slow down, those areas with less movement appear to "float" around a bit for frame to frame. In addition, in dark scenes with a lot of movement, as lighter objects move across dark backgrounds, it appears like a "ghost trail" is left behind perceptibly in the dark areas. No such ghost effect is seen in the PS3 or 360 playback.

I'm unsure if this huge discrepancy in quality is due to the decoding of the Netflix client on the Oppo in some way, or is the Oppo client for some reason playing back a totally different encoded stream vs what the PS3 and Xbox are playing?

To be clear, HD streaming material on the Oppo is fine looking. Locally streamed content looks great (DLNA), and Blu-rays are DVDs are fantastic. This poor performance appears to only be with the SD Netflix content from what I can tell. I'll have to keep watching more to find out if I'm seeing this huge discrepancy between the two players with ALL SD content, or just the few I've watched in the past several hours (for those who can or would like to compare for me, would be GREATLY appreciated): Shiri and e-Dreams. These issues I'm seeing can be seen in either one numerous times within the first ten minutes, so it wouldn't take too long to see.

Thanks in advance, and I'm curious as to anyone elses' experience vs the PS3 on the same input.

Edit: just to head up any question on this, I've tried it with the "Noise Reduction" setting at both "0" and "+2"... same experience with both.
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post #3607 of 25202
12/29/10 at 6:24pm
So I connect to netflix and bd-live stuff just fine. However I go to the firmware update by wifi and it says it can't connect to the network. I don't have a usb drive (I use to) and when I burn the iso image to the cd off my mac it doesn't recognize the disc. So I either order a disc from oppo or get a usb drive. That or I burn the upgrade to a disc by Windows. Anyone know why I can access netflix and bd live stuff but it won't connect to the server for the firmware upgrade? Confused.....
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post #3608 of 25202
12/29/10 at 6:32pm
Thread Starter 
Wireless upgrading is not supported in the 26-1108 Firmware. It was added to the 33-1216 Firmware.

You do not burn the ISO to a CD. Follow these simple instructions:

1. Insert a blank disc.
2. Start Disk Utility.
3. From the File menu, choose Open Disk Image and select the ISO to be burned.
4. In the list of volumes, you will now see an item representing the ISO file. Select it.
5. Click the Burn button and follow the instructions.

Alternatively, you can do the firmware upgrade process following the USB method.
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post #3609 of 25202
12/29/10 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Wireless upgrading is not supported in the 26-1108 Firmware. It was added to the 33-1216 Firmware.

You do not burn the ISO to a CD. Follow these simple instructions:

1. Insert a blank disc.
2. Start Disk Utility.
3. From the File menu, choose Open Disk Image and select the ISO to be burned.
4. In the list of volumes, you will now see an item representing the ISO file. Select it.
5. Click the Burn button and follow the instructions.

Alternatively, you can do the firmware upgrade process following the USB method.

Thank you. That worked on the burn cd and firmware now upgrade. I noticed there isn't a 2 channel audio outputs like the 83 had on this. Considering I'll have only a preamp and 2 channel for a month till I get my new receiver....there anyway I can go about this? My 2 channel setup and 5.1 setups are completely different. I'd prefer cd/sacd/dva playback for 2 channel and blu-ray/dvd for my 5.1 setup (using different sets of speakers for each setup).

Edit. Nevermind. I'll just do HDMI for 5.1 and use the analog inputs (fr/fl) for my 2 channel. I should get the desired results I want right? Otherwise I'll just have to un-hook/hook up the analog cable when I do the cd/sacd/dvda playback.
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post #3610 of 25202
12/29/10 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by seanfarley2 View Post

So I connect to netflix and bd-live stuff just fine. However I go to the firmware update by wifi and it says it can't connect to the network. I don't have a usb drive (I use to) and when I burn the iso image to the cd off my mac it doesn't recognize the disc. So I either order a disc from oppo or get a usb drive. That or I burn the upgrade to a disc by Windows. Anyone know why I can access netflix and bd live stuff but it won't connect to the server for the firmware upgrade? Confused.....

Which firmware are you using? If you have the original it didn't allow firmware update nor checking by wifi only by ethernet.
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post #3611 of 25202
12/29/10 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

Unfortunately, the 93 only displays artwork embedded in mp3 files, not flac.

I had the feeling that was coming...

Hey, Oppo! Something for a future firmware upgrade, huh?

Thanks, scolumbo...
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post #3612 of 25202
12/29/10 at 7:44pm
3D Movie Zoom Processing

It appears that Oppo enabled Zoom mode processing for 3D content in this firmware (including Vertical Stretch for Constant Image Height projector setups) so long as the 3D disc was not authored to use BD-Java during feature playback. As with 2D discs, the current firmware can not yet Zoom BD-Java based playback.

Since the Sony PS3 is not powerful enough to process BD-Java during 3D feature playback, we expect to see more 3D titles released that do not try to use BD-Java during the movie -- meaning simpler pop-up menu stuff for example -- so that they can sell to PS3 owners.

But a number of the first round of 3D titles DO use BD-Java and so they will not be Zoomable in this firmware.

As happened with the BDP-83, we expect Oppo will add the ability to Zoom BD-Java based titles (both 2D and 3D) in future firmware. It requires some special programming to get around some restrictions the Blu-Ray Disc Association built in to what disc decoders are allowed to do. (A clever hack, some might say.)

Since Zoom is working for 3D playback (with non-BD Java titles), obviously 3D playback is no longer acting like it is in Source Direct. That suggests other video processing features may also be enabled in this firmware for 3D -- such as Noise Reduction -- but that is not confirmed yet.
--Bob
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post #3613 of 25202
12/29/10 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by chs4000 View Post

I hope that future firmware releases can automatically apply presets per source (e.g. Noise Reduction = 2 for Netflix, = 0 for Blu-Ray, =1 for DVD, etc.). Would anybody in-the-know care to comment on the probability of this happening? Since navigation on the player is a little laggy, and adjusting settings on-the-fly is not allowed within the Netflix application, I see such automated presets as a good compromise.

I agree. I assume that you know that a long push on the Setup button brings up a window that allows relatively quick choice of one of three modes for each video output. You cannot do this while watching Netflix streaming but you can try to remember to do it before selecting the Netflix icon at the home screen.
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post #3614 of 25202
12/29/10 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by tmeader View Post

I'm gonna be emailing Oppo about this later tonight, but today was the first time I've really gotten around to trying out the Netflix capability extensively (been enjoying the local streaming). I must say that, compared to the quality from my PS3 or even the 360 (all setup for 1080p output, and all coming into the TV through the same HDMI out from my receiver, so same source setting on my TV) the Netflix output (at least currently) on the Oppo is VERY sub-par with SD content.

The best way to explain the issue is that the compression on the the Oppo stream appears to be much more blocky than the PS3. It's almost like a higher jpeg compression look vs what the PS3 looks like. When things are in motion (with bright scenes), stuff is more or less okay looking, but as soon as some parts of the scene slow down, those areas with less movement appear to "float" around a bit for frame to frame. In addition, in dark scenes with a lot of movement, as lighter objects move across dark backgrounds, it appears like a "ghost trail" is left behind perceptibly in the dark areas. No such ghost effect is seen in the PS3 or 360 playback.

I'm unsure if this huge discrepancy in quality is due to the decoding of the Netflix client on the Oppo in some way, or is the Oppo client for some reason playing back a totally different encoded stream vs what the PS3 and Xbox are playing?

To be clear, HD streaming material on the Oppo is fine looking. Locally streamed content looks great (DLNA), and Blu-rays are DVDs are fantastic. This poor performance appears to only be with the SD Netflix content from what I can tell. I'll have to keep watching more to find out if I'm seeing this huge discrepancy between the two players with ALL SD content, or just the few I've watched in the past several hours (for those who can or would like to compare for me, would be GREATLY appreciated): Shiri and e-Dreams. These issues I'm seeing can be seen in either one numerous times within the first ten minutes, so it wouldn't take too long to see.

Thanks in advance, and I'm curious as to anyone elses' experience vs the PS3 on the same input.

Edit: just to head up any question on this, I've tried it with the "Noise Reduction" setting at both "0" and "+2"... same experience with both.

For both HD and SD streaming, Netflix maintains several different copies of the source content with different compression levels baked in. Netflix will switch between which compression level they are using "on the fly" according to what they think your current networking speed will allow and according to demands being made on their servers at the moment. This makes comparisons pretty tricky.

What you describe sounds like you were getting a lower quality (higher compression) SD stream at that time.

Note that even the "best" SD stream from Netflix is not up to the bit rate (low compression level) and quality of SD-DVD playback.
--Bob
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post #3615 of 25202
12/29/10 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

CD,

I've compared DVD playback between my BDP-83SE and my BDP-93 and the present state of DVD playback is very, very, very, very good in my setup. If it can get better than great, but if it didn't get any better I personally would have no problem with the BDP-93 as my primary transport for DVD playback in its current state.

Just my $.02.

Also, what are all the other outstanding issues that you are referring to that I may have missed since I've been following this thread from the beginning?


Willie

This is the problem discussing known bugs of course. Folks unfamiliar with the context can easily overreact. Personally, I put high priority on correct SD-DVD playback as there are still many titles that are only available on SD-DVD and once you get used to correct playback (as from the BDP-83) it is hard to go back.

So I track issues still being addressed. As usual, Beta testers can't discuss details on work in process. All I can say is, as good as SD-DVD is at the moment in the 93, it is going to get better!

The BDP-83 is a tough act to follow -- the culmination of everything Oppo learned about how to squeeze the very best out of the prior video processor they used. Good. The 93 represents a new challenge. I think Oppo is up to the challenge.
--Bob
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post #3616 of 25202
12/29/10 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by IceTBC View Post

Replying with a quote here but others have asked this question.

Perhaps folks should consider one thing that may have had an influence on Oppo releasing the 93 when they did even with some small bugs and some additions still promised to be forthcoming. The "Analog Sunset" regulation/agreement. Basically any player released AFTER Dec 31 of this year will no longer be able to up convert SD resolution (480 and 576) to 1080 resolution THROUGH ANALOG CONNECTIONS. http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...component-2010 This means if you want to watch your blu-ray movie and see it in full 1080p you better be not be connected using component video...it will have to be a digital connection.

By releasing before the end of the year they avoided putting this restriction on the 93.

Hello,
That is an excellent point. I am pretty sure that the BDP-93 will be the last BDP released prior to the December 31st cutoff. Shame about the Image Constraint Tokens that can still stop new discs from outputting HD over Component Cables.
Cheers,
JJ
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post #3617 of 25202
12/29/10 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by Phil_in_CA View Post

I had the feeling that was coming...

Hey, Oppo! Something for a future firmware upgrade, huh?

Thanks, scolumbo...

Considering that about 95% of my audio files are flac files, I totally agree.
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post #3618 of 25202
12/29/10 at 8:20pm
Anyone using this with a Yamaha RX-V661 receiver? I had a Panasonic that ran no problem. Now, no matter what cable I use, HDMI port I use, or setting I change, I can't get anything more than 2 channel audio. Video comes through, but only the 2 channels of sound even though the 93 says it's outputting multi-channel.

Analog 7.1 works fine though, but my analog cables suck, and was hoping to use HDMI for audio.

I will email Oppo in the meantime, but, if anyone has any suggestions that'd be great. Thanks.
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post #3619 of 25202
12/29/10 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by martinstraka8282 View Post

Anyone using this with a Yamaha RX-V661 receiver? I had a Panasonic that ran no problem. Now, no matter what cable I use, HDMI port I use, or setting I change, I can't get anything more than 2 channel audio. Video comes through, but only the 2 channels of sound even though the 93 says it's outputting multi-channel.

Analog 7.1 works fine though, but my analog cables suck, and was hoping to use HDMI for audio.

I will email Oppo in the meantime, but, if anyone has any suggestions that'd be great. Thanks.

You must output LPCM to get multichannel HDMI audio into the V661. No bitstreaming allowed except on DVD. The "auto" setting for HDMI-audio may accomplish this, or may not.
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post #3620 of 25202
12/29/10 at 8:39pm
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

Considering that about 95% of my audio files are flac files, I totally agree.

Most of my audio files are FLAC as well. I would like to see Oppo add this functionality.

One more thing I wish they would add is the ability to turn off autoplay if a DVD or Blu-ray is in the player at startup. I don't finish a lot of the movies I start so I leave the disc in the player. Because I use my Oppo mostly for playing MKVs (via Twonky), I often turn on the player without any intention of playing a disc.

Oppo, please add the above functionality. I thought it wouldn't be a big deal in the beginning, but this 'feature' is really starting to suck. I guess I have been too spoiled with my PS3. This 'feature' may have made sense with the 83, but not necessarily for the 93.
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post #3621 of 25202
12/29/10 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

You must output LPCM to get multichannel HDMI audio into the V661. No bitstreaming allowed except on DVD. The "auto" setting for HDMI-audio may accomplish this, or may not.

Thanks, but ya I knew this already. Unfortunately it looks like it just won't handshake with my receiver from either HDMI Port, and no matter what settings I use. I've tried 3 different cables as well.
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post #3622 of 25202
12/29/10 at 9:06pm
I'm using an eSATA HDD to play back wav and flac files. I have files in folders by artist and then by album. First folder is 0000RANDOM with all files stored so I can play random music (rather than an album). I have a couple of issues/questions about this. Only the first 74 folders have data in them. Is this normal? Doesn't happen when I stream to the Oppo or my PS3 or my AVR3808?

Oppo response
Issues related to files not showing up are being investigated, but right now we do not know when we will resolve them.
Also, is there likely to be a function available to allow random playback of all music files on a USB/eSATA connected HDD or memory stick or perhaps when
streaming?
Oppo response:
You can engaged random/shuffle playback of files using the BLUE button on the remote control after engaging audio playback.


blairy
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post #3623 of 25202
12/29/10 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

For both HD and SD streaming, Netflix maintains several different copies of the source content with different compression levels baked in. Netflix will switch between which compression level they are using "on the fly" according to what they think your current networking speed will allow and according to demands being made on their servers at the moment. This makes comparisons pretty tricky.

What you describe sounds like you were getting a lower quality (higher compression) SD stream at that time.

Note that even the "best" SD stream from Netflix is not up to the bit rate (low compression level) and quality of SD-DVD playback.
--Bob

Bob, totally agree. As I note in my comparison of the 1611 and the 93, the quality of Netflix hinges largely on the quality of the internet connection, which seems to vary by day. My wife and I tried to watch the penultimate episode of the final season of lost last evening. It is described as HD and it kept hiccupping in and out of HD to an awful pixelated mess of SD that looked like some impressionist art gone bad. We tried the Apple TV, Oppo, Denon, and LG BD590. Long story short, the problem was way upstream.
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post #3624 of 25202
12/29/10 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Bob, totally agree. As I note in my comparison of the 1611 and the 93, the quality of Netflix hinges largely on the quality of the internet connection, which seems to vary by day. My wife and I tried to watch the penultimate episode of the final season of lost last evening. It is described as HD and it kept hiccupping in and out of HD to an awful pixelated mess of SD that looked like some impressionist art gone bad. We tried the Apple TV, Oppo, Denon, and LG BD590. Long story short, the problem was way upstream.

I think part of the problem is also the load on their servers at the moment -- which depends on the time of day and your location with respect to their server farms.

Obviously they are having to build up capacity.

The fact that some of the internet backbone providers are seeing this as a source of revenue is also a bit nasty, as I suspect there is some nefarious throttling going on to try to make Netflix, their ISP, and the end-users all cough up some more cash for "improvements" -- i.e., for turning off the throttling.
--Bob
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post #3625 of 25202
12/29/10 at 9:22pm
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Originally Posted by martinstraka8282 View Post

Anyone using this with a Yamaha RX-V661 receiver? I had a Panasonic that ran no problem. Now, no matter what cable I use, HDMI port I use, or setting I change, I can't get anything more than 2 channel audio. Video comes through, but only the 2 channels of sound even though the 93 says it's outputting multi-channel.

Analog 7.1 works fine though, but my analog cables suck, and was hoping to use HDMI for audio.

I will email Oppo in the meantime, but, if anyone has any suggestions that'd be great. Thanks.

Try playing some content with the TV DISCONNECTED from your Yamaha -- either playing the multi-channel audio blindly as from an SACD or by running a separate cable from the player direct to the TV for video.

Your TV likely only allows 2-channel LPCM input, and the Yamaha may be mistakenly passing that on to the player as the limit it can take as well.

If you find multi-channel into the Yamaha works when there is no cable from the Yamaha to the TV, then look for a setting in the Yamaha which tells it to process audio instead of passing it through to the TV.
--Bob
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post #3626 of 25202
12/29/10 at 9:34pm
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Originally Posted by tmeader View Post

I'm gonna be emailing Oppo about this later tonight, but today was the first time I've really gotten around to trying out the Netflix capability extensively (been enjoying the local streaming). I must say that, compared to the quality from my PS3 or even the 360 (all setup for 1080p output, and all coming into the TV through the same HDMI out from my receiver, so same source setting on my TV) the Netflix output (at least currently) on the Oppo is VERY sub-par with SD content.

The best way to explain the issue is that the compression on the the Oppo stream appears to be much more blocky than the PS3. It's almost like a higher jpeg compression look vs what the PS3 looks like. When things are in motion (with bright scenes), stuff is more or less okay looking, but as soon as some parts of the scene slow down, those areas with less movement appear to "float" around a bit for frame to frame. In addition, in dark scenes with a lot of movement, as lighter objects move across dark backgrounds, it appears like a "ghost trail" is left behind perceptibly in the dark areas. No such ghost effect is seen in the PS3 or 360 playback.

I'm unsure if this huge discrepancy in quality is due to the decoding of the Netflix client on the Oppo in some way, or is the Oppo client for some reason playing back a totally different encoded stream vs what the PS3 and Xbox are playing?

To be clear, HD streaming material on the Oppo is fine looking. Locally streamed content looks great (DLNA), and Blu-rays are DVDs are fantastic. This poor performance appears to only be with the SD Netflix content from what I can tell. I'll have to keep watching more to find out if I'm seeing this huge discrepancy between the two players with ALL SD content, or just the few I've watched in the past several hours (for those who can or would like to compare for me, would be GREATLY appreciated): Shiri and e-Dreams. These issues I'm seeing can be seen in either one numerous times within the first ten minutes, so it wouldn't take too long to see.

Thanks in advance, and I'm curious as to anyone elses' experience vs the PS3 on the same input.

Edit: just to head up any question on this, I've tried it with the "Noise Reduction" setting at both "0" and "+2"... same experience with both.

Try noise reduction 4. This utilizes Compression artifact reduction. NR 2 is just video noise reduction.
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post #3627 of 25202
12/29/10 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

For both HD and SD streaming, Netflix maintains several different copies of the source content with different compression levels baked in. Netflix will switch between which compression level they are using "on the fly" according to what they think your current networking speed will allow and according to demands being made on their servers at the moment. This makes comparisons pretty tricky.

What you describe sounds like you were getting a lower quality (higher compression) SD stream at that time.

Note that even the "best" SD stream from Netflix is not up to the bit rate (low compression level) and quality of SD-DVD playback.
--Bob

No, this is different. I had the Xbox360, PS3 and Oppo all simultaneously queued up to the same points in the movies and would pause one, switch over to the other device, and then continue playback. Each time, I would playback for at least 3 minutes in order for the stream to get a chance to get to its highest quality. In ALL testing, the 360 and PS3 did not exhibit the same ghosting and smearing issues that the Oppo showed with dark content. I'll follow-up with Oppo about it. Again, if anyone else has the means to compare the Oppo with either the PS3 or the Xbox on the content mentioned above it would be greatly appreciated.
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post #3628 of 25202
12/29/10 at 10:44pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

See the FAQ: Is DVD 24hz conversion supported? This has been discussed ad nauseum here. Make your needs known to OPPO.

Indeed. I feel somewhat stupid for not picking this up. Tanks a lot for pointing me in the right direction. Btw,
is there a petition I can sign to request this feature in future firmware? ;-)

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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I don't recall that but neither was I looking. Write it up for OPPO support and see what they say.

Already did. Given that I'm pretty close to Mountain View I'll be dropping by their office to pick up the calibration disk in early January and they were gracious enough to suggest that I talk to a local support engineer there and show him all the disks that cause me trouble. I can update this thread if its ok and wouldn't be considered spamming.

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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Yes, that's not good. Again, I would write that up and send it in.
Does the Noise Reduction setting do anything for this? Level 1 is supposed to reduce mosquito noise.

NR seems to be playing more of a shell game for me. In fact, my plan is to go to a local Best Buys or Frys
and try to see what other BD players will do about this material when I try to display it on comparable
monitor. Again if there's interest I can keep you guys posted.

Thanks,
Roman.

P.S. Is there a way to send a personal reply instead of replying to the thread? In cases when I just want to thank a person for helping me out? Sorry I'm a bit new to how this forum works on the posting side.
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post #3629 of 25202
12/29/10 at 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by Cattledog View Post

I may be a cynic but how can Oppo release a product that can't play DVD's at an optimal resolution and quality???? Add in all the other outstanding issues and it looks like the 93 isn't ready for primetime.

CD

Take it from the guy who is currently debugging SD performance of Oppo:
I don't mind it AS LONG as they show steady improvements in new firmware releases AND they are willing to work with me on the issues.

If they prove to be that kind of a company -- that alone would be worth the price of the unit.

Besides, given all the features that are already there -- what are the alternatives really (and don't tell me its BDP-83 ;-))?
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post #3630 of 25202
12/29/10 at 10:57pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Did you ever stop to consider that the BDP-93 in its current state is still better than other players it is competing against? Which means... *pause for dramatic effect* that the player can only get better?!

If you look at the issues raised, most of them are very specific to the person's home theater configuration (and OPPO has released two test firmware to address the two most common configuration errors) or are related to personal preference/desires/requirements.

Winston's review of the player side-by-side to the Denon DBP-1611UD is a clear example of how well the current BDP-93 competes.

To be fair to the OP I'd say that its not that "most [of the issues raised] are very specific to the person's home theater " but rathe that most of the shootouts and reviews focus on what a typical North American high-end consumer would care about. I haven't yet seen a comprehensive analysis of PAL side of the SD performance (especially the PAL -> NTSC conversion) and odd cadences. I do understand that it might not be all that important to most folks, but it IS important to me and it is one of the major reasons I was drawn to Oppo in the first place.

Finally, forget Oppo -- the jury is till sort of out on Qdeo IMHO. It could be the greatest chip ever or not. We shall see.

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Roman.
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