Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread - Page 141

So, someone help me out here. I really don't know a whole lot (anything) about FLAC audio.

I have an mkv of a movie that has a DTS 5.1 FLAC audio track on it. And the video plays just fine, but the player tells me that this audio format is not supported. I thought the 93 did support FLAC?

For the luma channel, yes, the BR image has 1920x1080 pixels of grayscale data.

It has only 1/4 that resolution of chroma information and there are different ways of chroma upsampling that could produce different fine color detail. Presumably deep color (so-called) processing could enter into this level as well.

I believe the Spears and Munsil web page has examples of different chroma upsampling in their article on picking a color space.

The eye is supposed to be insensitive to fine color resolution. People who report dramatic differences between players in BR native content are seeing something strange. Could be broken players, but I think it more likely calibration differences, settings differences on the input ports, or video processing like sharpness and noise reduction turned on in the player.

-Bill

According to the second post of this thread, FLAC in an MKV container is not supported.

I see. Anyone know if this is a permanent thing, like the ISO and blu ray structure format thing, or if oppo is going to look into supporting this in future firmwares?

Yep, I saw that too... thanks for the heads-up. I see they will also be getting Kinect enabled Hulu Plus. If the Kinect interface works well, that could be a good differentiator for the Xbox 360. I'm actually more interested in the voice commands than hand gestures, though, when it comes to Kinect.

Isn't the data on a 1080p24 BR disk compressed? If so there is MPEG decoding going on in the players. Couldn't that potentially be implemented differently from one to the next?

Aside from that, I think only noise processing and edge enhancement might make a difference (these can be very significant defining factors btw) since there is no scaling or deinterlacing.

I searched this forum, and am kind of surprised there was only one or 2 post talking about the non-existent fan on the BDP-93.

Does anyone know why it was removed? Not Needed? Cost savings?
If the 93 can stay as cool as the 83, without a fan, that's fine with me.
Was kind of annoying hearing the 83 fan kick on and off anyways.

So I got my 93 yesterday (ordered it the morning it went live on Amazon) and am very happy with it so far. Still needs one or two more firmwares until I'll be extremely happy with it, but I have no doubts Oppo will get everything ironed out. Don't regret upgrading from my 83 at all.

I do, and I'm hoping that it won't be an issue playing my other files in the not too distant future via an OPPO player.

True! I commonly make that mental mistake re: ISO since the contents of an ISO (including data) can include multiple files that are merely extracted rather than decompressed.

Is the Oppo BDP 93 a region free player? As i stay in India and plan to get this from the US, hence the concern !!

I have the Denon AVR 1610 (which is not 3D). Will this Oppo model be compatible to the the AVR 1610? As i dont plan to change the Denon receiver immediately, as long as this combination supports 2D material, im fine with it.

Thanks in advance

No. BluerAy.dk just released a mod though.

Is anyone successfully using the 93 with iRule remote & Global Cache IR gateway?

For anyone else interested in taking a look for themselves, I've passed along the following to Oppo as I continue to give them samples. This is the best one I've come across so far, and I was able to repeat it over and over in testing between HDMI1 and HDMI2. This is with a Korean film on Netflix Streaming called "Shiri":

"Two more spots in the same film that really exhibit issues with HDMI1, but none with HDM2. From 19:59 through 20:06, look at the signs on the back wall and doors. The exhibit a heavy ghosting artifact through HDMI1. Same scene, from 20:15 through 20:19, as the actor moves his head, a lot of ghosting around the outlines of his face as he moves.

The worst one yet is the shot at 20:28 through 20:31, the straight on shot of the single officer saluting. As he salutes, look at the eyes and the right side (his right side) of his nose compared to the rest of the face. These portions appear to almost float freely and not move as the rest of his face does. Again, none of this on HDMI2."

I'd be interested to see others' opinions/verification (especially comparing HDMI1 and 2's output). Thanks.

Hello: I am receiving my Oppo 93 today. I have tow questions or concerns after reading this thread.
1. The 93 does not upscale sd dvd to 1080/24
2. The ir out put from my Onkyo 5008 will not work with the 93 as it did with the 83 I had.
Are my above assumptions correct?
I know I can upscale through the receiver if necessary.
Thanks in advance.

While I hope your efforts in regards to Netflix help reap some additional improvements in the performance of our 93s with that streaming service, I don't see the need to keep testing SD material. I responded to your request (and posted findings) to test the Saturday Night Live show Saturday and it looked exactly the same on the Oppo as it did on a Roku XD - terrible.

Streaming and the Qdeo are two reasons I bought the 93, but I will never be interested in watching SD material, the decrease in quality is too much for me regardless of the streaming device/service, that includes a PS3 too. It is the same way I feel regarding watching SD material vs. HD material via DirecTV.

The HD streaming material I have watched on the Oppo 93 with a good feed has been very good (after adjusting the video settings) and is definitely much better than then the top 2 Roku devices - I own them both. At the beginning of this thread a few of the beta testers commented they thought Oppo opted to switch chips because the Qdeo had more to offer in regards to improving video that was streamed - NR being one example vs. the ABT found in the 83. I think when Oppo is done improving the performance of the Qdeo chip the 93 will be on of the best or the best blu-ray player for streaming on the market due to the strengths that the chip brings to the table.

(1) True, although that is frame rate conversion, not scaling.

(2) It requires a different cable. Has the combination been reported as not working?

-Bill

The point is that it's an anomaly being introduced only on the Qdeo side of things. Since another major feature of the 93 is SD upconversion, I feel it's entirely relevant to pursue any problems with the Qdeo processing in that regard, be it Netflix of DVD. Also, I understand that YOU refuse to watch SD material on Netflix, but I think that's a minority case for anyone who's a consistent Netflix Streaming user. Only a small percentage of the streaming catalog is currently in HD, so unless one wants to restrict themselves to just that material, they're going to run into SD content. Might as well make it look the best it possibly can. In regards to the SNL clip though, did you try it with HDMI1 vs HDMI2? It's considerably less glitchy than on the latter. Even Oppo acknowledged the appearance difference of the SNL program on the 93 vs the PS3. In my testing, on the same display, the 93 (via HDMI2), Roku and PS3 reproduced exactly the same image (poor, but not glitching with interlacing artifacts). The HDMI1 was the only one producing glitches which made it totally unwatchable.

How do you propose that Oppo finish "improving the performance of the Qdeo chip the 93 will be on of the best or the best blu-ray player for streaming on the market due to the strengths that the chip brings to the table" unless people provide them with examples where the chip is failing at that task?

(1) Oops my bad I meant frame rate conversion. Allthough It is probable not a priority do you think it will be added down the road. I can use my receiver or tosxa2 for that.

(2) I had a cable from oppo for the 83 what kind of different one? I thought I read it in this thread awhile back. I have not received mine yet just trying to prepare when it arrives today.
Thans Bill for your prompt response.

I agree completely. SD upconversion is perhaps one of the most significant features on which a box like this should be rated. It is very important to me personally.

Maybe, but it is not promised. See OPPO's comments in the FAQ: Is DVD 24hz conversion supported?


The manual says "3.5mm Mono Cable" which I think is more common for this application than the cable used on the -83. Regarding that, the manual says:


-Bill

Again thanks a lot for the info will try both. No biggie as I said before if I need it for 24 I can use receiver and or HDax2.

I don't use IR myself, but as I recall the -83 special cable had a power lead in it. I wouldn't even try it on the -93.

-Bill

Actually, the special cable for the 83 with a mono plug on one end and a stereo plug on the other end and just has 2 pins connected at the stereo plug with the 3rd (power pin) not connected to anything. There's probably no harm in using it, but a mono to mono cable is the correct cable to use and they're dirt cheap at places like Radio Shack (who have come up with a truly brilliant marketing strategy to gradually rename themselves to "The Shack") anyway.

Hi all,

Well, my 93 arrived yesterday, and firmware update/setup went mostly without a hitch. I purchased the unit primarily for Blu-ray, Netflix and SACD.

I tried both HDMI1 and HDMI2; video quality for blu-ray did not disappoint on either, but I opted for HDMI2 for now, because I ran into some of the previously mentioned handshake issues on HDMI1 (signal would drop on my Onkyo 708 when changing menus, etc; no issues during regular playback). HDMI2 did not exhibit this behavior and, quite frankly, this being my first Blu-ray player, anything will be a step up from SD, so the video quality is more than acceptable for me.

Netflix was a mixed bag; quality for static scenes was clearly higher-resolution and not as "soft" as my previous viewing on the Wii, and I was pleased that my wireless connection did not "choke" due to lack of bandwidth (rebuffered once during peak hours). I did notice more pixel "holdover" during quick pans or motion scenes; I don't know if this is due to the video processing on HDMI2 or the streaming codex Netflix is using.

I played one SACD (Mozart string quartets), but I didn't listen too critically. I'm using DSD for multichannel. I have not tried any SD DVDs yet.

I did have one question on the network setup: I originally set my wireless connection for "manual"; is there any way to change this after the connection is set up, or do I need to create a whole new connection on the network tab? And if I set it for "scan", will it find every hot spot in my neighborhood? I just want it to locate my home network's SSID, and connect to it automatically without prompting.

Thanks!

Scan will find every "open" wifi network within listening distance operating in the 2.4GHz band. It won't find 5GHz wifi networks and it won't find any "closed" networks -- networks set up so as not to broadcast their network name (a simple form of privacy/security). To attach to a "closed" network you need to already know the network name and type that name in using Manual mode.

To change away from your current Manual setup, switch back to Ethernet, and then back again to Wifi, telling Setup that you don't want to use the previous Wifi setup. You don't actually have to have Ethernet connected to do this.

But if your Manual setup is already working, there's no need at all to do this. All that Scan provides you is a way to make your connection the first time without having to type in the name. If your Manual setup is working, the player will reconnect automatically each time you power up without your having to type anything in again.
--Bob

I did have the inputs calibrated along with the projector (the TV was not). Having said that I do feel that there is something wrong with my PS3 (the phat one). Even the audio, it could not decode the lossless audio properly as there is sound quality difference with the same movie played through PS3 when compared to Oppo or my home theater PC. Anyway, I thought a bigger screen means it is easier for the eye to pick up any artifacts. With my 46" I do not see any difference though. Anyway now as I have the Oppo, PS3's role is reduced to video game playing only and for that it is simply amazing

Hi all:

Well, I have been using my Oppo 93 since right before Christmas. One great machine on the Blu-ray and DVD side. For streaming it is OK. I know much more about A/V stuff and am a real novice when it comes to the network side and the various a/v formats. I network hard wired to from my office upstairs to my home theater in the basement. I have everything streaming...now the question??? I have mostly mpeg3's on my C: drive and losses wav files on a 1TB external drive...but neither shows any album art. I use an ATV hacked with ATVFlash to XBMC and all the video show without a problem. So what am I doing wrong on the OPPO? Thanks!

That's what I assumed when I set it up, but I haven't found this to be the case; it seems when I navigate away from Netflix & return, it throws an error message that it can't connect. Once I go back to network settings & connect, Netflix is up again. Am I missing something... or maybe I just had a router glitch/dropped connection?

I'll try again when I get home this evening... thanks for the walk-through!

If it isn't connecting automatically based on your prior Manual setup then something is screwed up. Are you running the latest firmware (Main firmware "1216")?
--Bob

My suggestion would be to email Oppo support about it, supplying them all this information. They should know precisely what bit-rates, frame features, and format levels (the "@L3.0") the player is capable of decoding. Likewise, with the audio. It's very important to provide all this to anyone trying to troubleshoot custom encoded video problems, since a lot of equipment has hard specs that the video content has to meet in order to be playable. "MKV support" means nothing more than support of the container... it's all the specific information on the encode that's important. Best of luck.