Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread - Page 151

Same here. I'm using a Marantz AV7005 pre/pro, not a Pioneer AVR. I'm using HDMI2 for audio, and component video through the Marantz to my old Pioneer Elite CRT RPTV. Audio is perceptibly delayed with respect to video in this setup. (The Marantz offers audio delay, but this is the wrong direction, because audio is already delayed.)

I just took Neuromancer's advice and emailed Oppo about it. One more voice.

I hope Opp can remedy the lip sync issues for those affected owners sooner rather than later, because in my opinion the BDP-93 is a nice unit.

As far as professional reviews are concerned they may or may not experience a lip sync issue to report upon in their sample unit depending on their setup. I have a pre-release unit and I like many others have not experienced any lip sync issues. Again, hopefully Oppo can remedy this sooner rather than later.


Willie

Been there done that. Here was OPPO's response to the lipsync issue. Just so you know I have the 93 hooked up HDMI 1 to my Sammy UN55C8000 and HDMI 2 to my Yamaha RX-V863.

John,

We've found that it's common for LCD TVs that have motion compensation processing to have lipsync delay. It's not from the player. We actually have the same TV as you, just in the smaller 46" size. For best video performance I suggest to turn all processing off in the TV, not even for a lipsync issue, simply because all that processing gets in the way of the picture.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

Mitch,

I have the Disney WOW test disc also, but are you experiencing any lip sync issues with any movies?


Willie

Hope this didn't come up too often, but the thread is quite long to read completely.

Here goes. Thinking of possibly going 3D and would need a player that decodes and either have 7.1 outs but preferably 2 hdmis. I know of the Pana and this one. I already have a modded BDP-80 so I just need the best 3D player who has this. Would any player do in this case (well the ones that answers my sound needs) or will I just forget my 80 if I get a 93. Upconversion is fine on my 80 for me for the little dvd watching I do.

Thanks

My Oppo BDP-83 had no lip sync problems, and was connected to the same exact TV with the same settings. So I'd say it is from the player.

OK, I am just showing the response from OPPO when I emailed them the question about the lipsync issue.

You installed latest firmware update? I had lipsync issue initially but the latest firmware seemed to resolve it.

Yes, my player had a firmware disc in the box, and updated the player with it.
I then had the player check to see if there was an even newer version, which there was not.

That likely means the Oppo is doing a better job of processing the video than your display.

Could someone test something so I can see if it is "just me"?

Connect HDMI1 to a fully capable receiver/processor
Connect HDMI2 to a television HDMI input (with limited audio capabilities)
Set HDMI1 as the primary video output

Do you still get full bandwidth audio on HDMI1 or is it limited to stereo PCM.

I am seeing that HDMI1 is limited to stereo PCM in that situation. Disconnected HDMI2 makes HDMI1 go back to full resolution audio. In my case the receiver is a Denon 3310ci and the TV is Mitsubishi's 3D adapter (although I need to test going straight to the TV, I assume the results would be the same).

Tech support is skeptical, but that is what I'm seeing.

I am experiencing audio lag (to video), not the other way around.

i.e. : Lips move, then voice is heard. Explosion & flash occur, then boom is heard.

It is obvious that others have the inverse where video lags the audio, if that were the case I too could adjust the audio delay (from 0 to 6 fps) on my Pioneer AVR.

Again my audio is lagging to what I see on screen.

Gman

Same here.

are you bitstreaming when you have the lipsync problems? or doing doing pcm?

Jacob

Ditto.

For people asking about my lip syncing problems, here's my current set up:

BDP-93 to my Samsung LN40B630 via HDMI cable from HDMI 1.
Samsung TV audio out to my old junky JVC receiver (that desperately needs replaced).

bingo


Dynamic is Off


2ndary is Off, HDMI set bitstream (or LCPM, makes no difference)


yes, I'd say about 5/24fps

He said he noticed a decrease not increase in picture quality.


It should not matter.

Didn't he say he noticed a decrease in pq when he used source direct? Wouldn't that mean the display device is handling the video processing and not the Oppo?

Ok you guys are giving me second thoughts on pulling the trigger on the 93

I don't think I'm as sensitive to it as others, as I didn't really notice it until people started pointing it out, but once I started looking for it, Scott Pilgrim was noticeable, Dinner for Schmucks a bit less so.

With regard to lipsync, just watched "From Dusk till Dawn",HDMI1 direct to Samsung C750-Hdmi2 to DA5400ES amp, way out of sync on hdmi1, even hdmi2 was out by a noticeable amount, weird thing though, watched the original "Day the earth stood still" last night, and that was perfectly in sync

Oppo provided me with a link to download firmware upgrade version 33-1219. I installed the upgrade and it is working. It fixed the issue I was having.

Just got a reply back from Oppo.
Their feeling is the lip sync issues are partly faulted by Motion Flow (or whatever your TV has). I will try shutting mine off completely, and see if I notice the lip sync issues disappear.

Thats not good because it sounds like the players is having issues trying to match audio and video deppending on the source .
Thats good news hopefully it will work for others and all movies and sources. Time will tell I guess. Think i'll wait until next month if I decide to get a 93 and see what pans out with this issue .

I think this is horse pucky from Oppo. They have a lip sync issue. Most of the late model flat screens have so much processing going on the the video is BEHIND the audio in most all other lip sync type problems with that style of TV. That's why most modern receivers have a audio delay built in to compensate for the video processing delays.

Most of the comments I have read here are saying the audio is BEHIND the video. To me, untrained and unqualified, this says that some big time audio delay is coming from the player. If Oppo wants me to turn off all video processing on my TV, (first of all, I do not want to) as the "fix", I say boo! If audio is already BEHIND the video, won't turning off all the TV's processing make the lipsync worse?

Sorry Oppo. If audio is behind the overly processed video, you need to fix your player.

In defense of Oppo, it did fix the lip sync issues. Oddly enough, when I turned my motion flow back on, there was no lip syncing occurring.

I don't think Oppo is saying they have no plans on fixing it. It's just a temporary solution until the appropriate firmware comes out.