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post #5041 of 26595
Well, one of the reasons I bought the 93 was cause I wanted Qdeo magic for netflix and standard dvd's. By rights, it should be the best player on the market for Netflix, it certainly has the potential.

I also notice netflix HD streams getting detailed and blurry in and out, in and out.

I also notice the smearing effect.

I also have the issues with 24p and lip sync problems. I see the problem with analog out's but not with Digital output, i can switch between the two quickly. I've disabled 24p/1080 for the time being.

The analog subwoofer takes some playing with, I use Marantz SR8500, circa 2002, fortunately this receiver allows 7.1 analog and Digital speaker levels to be calibrated independently, so I can have settings for both and not have to bother switching them when going between analog and digital. I put the oppo subwoofer trim at 0.0, and gave a +5DB boost in the reciever. I need to do some testing yet to see if this fixes the problem.

The problem is very evident when using the AIX audio subwoofer test and switching between Digital (COAX) DTS and Analog, the digital signal is much louder.
post #5042 of 26595
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
Perhaps we should all speak to Netflix about wanting a more advanced UI? OPPO is painfully aware that people are not happy with the Netflix experience and no doubt will bring out the best one possible ASAP. Perhaps logging our feelings with Netflix will spur on a more advanced UI sooner.

Compounding matters is that the vast majority of BDP-93 Owners have other Netflix enabled Players to compare it against. Especially the PS3, which is the best current Netlix Streaming Player.
Cheers,
AD

As stated in previous posts, Oppo is currently working on a completely new Netflix interface that will be available this Spring.
post #5043 of 26595
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Originally Posted by higher_flyer View Post

I have requested the firmware; thanks for the suggestion. I hope they send it today!

After installing it, is it recommended to reset all set-ups to factory spec, and the re-customize from the beginning?

I always do.

There is a Settings Checklist linked in the FAQ to make this easier.

-Bill
post #5044 of 26595
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Originally Posted by Ivoryplum View Post

As stated in previous posts, Oppo is currently working on a completely new Netflix interface that will be available this Spring.

Does Oppo have to pay Netflix additional money to get a better interface and feed? I'm just wondering if it's a financial issue that is keeping Oppo a little behind in this area. Apple TV, for example, has negotiated an entirely unique and vastly superior Netflix browser. I imagine they have extraordinary bargaining power though. And even Apple couldn't get the HD quality that the PS3 has, so what gives with this whole Netflix thing? Why is only the PS3 getting access to these higher quality streams? Do they pay extra for them?
post #5045 of 26595
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

I disagree again. The Oppo is the best device for Netflix if picture quality is your top priority. I have already said the PS3 interface is the best but the Oppo is also pretty decent, much better than the Sony S570 , for example.
I have never experienced any glitch watching Netflix HD on my 65" plasma. Obviously the SD picture is much worse and I simply don't watch it.

Netflix is a new product, it won't be "flawless" for some time, regardless of the player.

I'm confused about why PS3 is always mentioned here as better. Is it better than Oppo in what way? I never even consider PS3 as a primary source for watching Bluray but all of this comparison makes me wonder if I should give PS3 a try and dump everything else including Oppo as second rate players. I'm just confused. Anyone....what the real deal with PS3?
post #5046 of 26595
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Originally Posted by ebug View Post

I'm confused about why PS3 is always mentioned here as better. Is it better than Oppo in what way? I never even consider PS3 as a primary source for watching Bluray but all of this comparison makes me wonder if I should give PS3 a try and dump everything else including Oppo as second rate players. I'm just confused. Anyone....what the real deal with PS3?

Hello,
The PS3 is the only currently available Netflix Device that offers Dolby Digital Plus on select Titles. Every other Player offers 2.0. Moreover, it currently has one of the most advanced User Interfaces.

Ivory, I am aware of the speculation about an upgraded UI coming from Netflix. It is just with them having control over what they offer to Manufacturers, it seems it would make more sense to direct comments/complaints to them rather than OPPO. Needless to say, they will implement the best possible UI they can get their hands on and one of the Qdeo Processor's main strengths is with Streamed and non HD Content,
AD
post #5047 of 26595
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Originally Posted by ebug View Post

I'm confused about why PS3 is always mentioned here as better. Is it better than Oppo in what way? I never even consider PS3 as a primary source for watching Bluray but all of this comparison makes me wonder if I should give PS3 a try and dump everything else including Oppo as second rate players. I'm just confused. Anyone....what the real deal with PS3?

The PS3 provides significantly better PQ when watching HD netflix streams compared to the Oppo. It is pretty easy to see the difference, and I don't think anyone doing a serious A/B comparison would find otherwise.

In my personal comparisons the PS3 deftly beat not just the Oppo, but the ATV 2 and the Roku as well. There is almost universal agreement that the PS3 is the best in this regard. Either can change in the future of course as FW updates are released.

In addition to the overall better PQ, the PS3 also offers 5.1 audio and subtitles on many movies, and some are reportedly streamed in 1080p, though no one has confirmed this.

I personally think the Oppo is slightly better at BR playback because of the picture control options it offers, and slightly lower video noise.
post #5048 of 26595
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Originally Posted by rpauls View Post

The PS3 provides significantly better PQ when watching HD netflix streams compared to the Oppo. It is pretty easy to see the difference, and I don't think anyone doing a serious A/B comparison would find otherwise.

In my personal comparisons the PS3 deftly beat not just the Oppo, but the ATV 2 and the Roku as well. There is almost universal agreement that the PS3 is the best in this regard. Either can change in the future of course as FW updates are released.

In addition to the overall better PQ, the PS3 also offers 5.1 audio and subtitles on many movies, and some are reportedly streamed in 1080p, though no one has confirmed this.

I personally think the Oppo is slightly better at BR playback because of the picture control options it offers, and slightly lower video noise.

So, PS3 wins on Netflix vs Oppo. What else? If you say Bluray playback, CD playback and so on....I'm now ready to repack my oppo 93 and return it, then buy myself the "teenagers" gadget called PS3. I'm sorry, I'm not mad at you, I'm just mad at the thought of dumping Oppo for PS3.
post #5049 of 26595
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rpauls View Post

Does Oppo have to pay Netflix additional money to get a better interface and feed?

It has more to do with the potential market that Netflix can get. If they will get only some additional revenue, then they will give OPPO the minimum amount of support required to just get the implementation working. Look at it, the interface OPPO is using is Netflix Profile 2.0. The lowest Netflix application out there.

If OPPO had a larger marketshare, or could show Netflix a higher attachment ratio for new and returning Netflix customers, then you bet OPPO would be getting the new Netflix Profile running now, rather than in "Spring". And who really knows what this Spring update will be.

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Why is only the PS3 getting access to these higher quality streams?

Think about this as how many people can access the PS3 versus any other Blu-ray player on the market. The PS3 is the lion's share of the Blu-ray market, so it is an obvious choice that Netflix and Sony would spend the time to make it the best possible implementation.

The Wii and the Xbox 360 received similar treatment. Again, look at the marketshare these products have. Netflix can literally reach millions of new subscribers with a single firmware upgrade.
post #5050 of 26595
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ebug View Post

So, PS3 wins on Netflix vs Oppo. What else? If you say Bluray playback, CD playback and so on....I'm now ready to repack my oppo 93 and return it, then buy myself the "teenagers" gadget called PS3.

Really, this is only something that you can answer. If you have one of the later generation of PS3s you will not be able to playback SACD media.

If you like DVD-Audio, then you must use the BDP-93.

If you want to connect a large harddrive that has Blu-ray backups, MKV, or FLAC audio files, then you will want to use the BDP-93.

If you want to take advantage of DLNA streaming, streaming services such as Netflix, Hulu+, and technically Pandora and last.fm (bless you Java compatible browser) then the PS3 makes more sense.
post #5051 of 26595
The BDP-95 will solve all those problems, Oppo said that they are developing a new Netflix interface and are securing Pandora
post #5052 of 26595
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post


Which DVDFab do you use? Does the DVDFab bluray copy also copy DVDs ? Thanks.

As stated: "DVDFab8".

And yes: it will do DVD, BD, BD 3D, and file converter as well.

Cheers
post #5053 of 26595
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Originally Posted by ebug View Post

So, PS3 wins on Netflix vs Oppo. What else? If you say Bluray playback, CD playback and so on....I'm now ready to repack my oppo 93 and return it, then buy myself the "teenagers" gadget called PS3. I'm sorry, I'm not mad at you, I'm just mad at the thought of dumping Oppo for PS3.

I think the only area in which the Oppo is trailing the PS3 is in Netflix (unless you value gaming).

If you want to upconvert DVD the Oppo is better, and I feel it is slightly better at BR as well. And it looks *way* nicer in your rack than the PS3 "toy". It is total class. Oh, and it's quite.
post #5054 of 26595
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Originally Posted by ebug View Post

So, PS3 wins on Netflix vs Oppo.

PS3 beats all other Netflix streaming devices at the moment when streaming HD content. They worked a deal with Netflix to be the only ones to get 5.1 sound and 1080p video. All other devices can only get streams up to 1080i and stereo sound. Supposedly, 1080p and 5.1 will be coming to other devices later this year.
post #5055 of 26595
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Originally Posted by gskinusa View Post


Hi
I have been using MakeMKV to have my blu-ray collection transfered in to soft copy for easy play and till now Oppo 93 is able to play all the movies without any problems. My receiver Onkyo 3007 gets the DTS-HD MA and I get the same experience that I used to get by playing the physical disck through Oppo. So I was wondering what could be the problem that you are facing with DTS MA audio format using Oppo playing MakeMKV based file. Can you please elaborate on that. I do not want to go about converting all my collection and some problem crop up later. The only problem I have seen is that the sub-titles do not show up with Oppo but I have not tested whether MakeMKV did its job of placing it in (I did select the sub-title and forced sub-title options while creating the files). Anyway your details of the problem might help me to be better prepared .
Thanks
-Senthil

Greetings,
I have only played with three disks: Amelia, Night and Day, and Inception. They just happened to be out and the first three I decided to test each program/container with. I believe all three have/are DTS HD/MA. My receiver would see the correct audio track yet the DVDFab8 "MKVs" played fine video wise yet the DTS audio would cut in and out - you could watch the receiver audio indication go off and on etc.
I then made MKVs of each using MakeMKV. I thought all was well yet the movie would freeze/lock up every few minutes. You could hit rewind then play and it would play for a while then freeze again?

I then used DVDFab8 to create three M2TS files and they all play perfectly both audio and video.

Currently I'm using a WD 2TB drive sitting in a Thermaltake BlacX adapter connected to the 93s rear USB port. The BlacX is also eSATA capable so I plan to see if that makes any difference.

Any thoughts?

Cheers
post #5056 of 26595
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Really, this is only something that you can answer. If you have one of the later generation of PS3s you will not be able to playback SACD media.

If you like DVD-Audio, then you must use the BDP-93.

If you want to connect a large harddrive that has Blu-ray backups, MKV, or FLAC audio files, then you will want to use the BDP-93.

If you want to take advantage of DLNA streaming, streaming services such as Netflix, Hulu+, and technically Pandora and last.fm (bless you Java compatible browser) then the PS3 makes more sense.

Thanks for your quick reply and concise comparison. I don't have PS3 to compare and I never consider in getting one. As for Netflix, I think Oppo just need software upgrade. I'm more concern about the hardware performance and quality of disk playback. Is PS3 better than Oppo (or competitors like the new Denon BDP-1611)?
post #5057 of 26595
Hello,
The PS3 really is a different beast all together. It is only after 5 Years that Sony is coming close to breaking even or making a Profit on each Unit sold.
This is in stark contrast to every Standalone BDP.

The practice of Console Makers selling Consoles at or below cost is nothing new as the huge profits are made from the 60 Dollar Games that cost a few Dollars to manufacture.

That being said, Sony as one of the biggest backers of Blu-Ray, also wanted to have a large preinstalled base of BDP Owners. Mind you in 2006 when the PS3 was released, the great BD/HD-DVD War had not been decided. The PS3 was a major factor in Blu-Ray winning out. Not that it seems to matter anymore as Physical Media is becoming less and less relevant. Most of the Posts in this Thread bear witness to that.
Cheers,
AD
post #5058 of 26595
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

The BDP-95 will solve all those problems, Oppo said that they are developing a new Netflix interface and are securing Pandora

Where did you get this info re: Pandora? Is it confirmed?
post #5059 of 26595
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

If anyone has experienced these bitstream bombs with the Oppo player with their receivers, please state the brand and model of your receiver. Perhaps I could narrow down whether the problem lies with the player or receiver. Unfortunately I got rid of the Sony BDP-S570 before I noticed this problem, or I could use that to a/b.

If it sounds like a loud crackling, I experienced it near the end of The Other Guys. DTS-HD MA bitstream to a Denon AVR-988. I just turned the volume down and it seemed to go away. I didn't bother to go back and try to replicate it. No problems IIRC with Machete on my system.

If no one's around, I usually listen in the -14 dB range.
post #5060 of 26595
Bob P.

Did the 93 resolve the 5dB LFE level mismatch(too low) on its analog outputs that the 83/83SE players had?
post #5061 of 26595
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post


1) What Oppo 93 firmware are you currently on and what 5008 firmware?

2) How do you have the Oppo and 5008 connected?

3) Do you have the Oppo audio output set to bitstream?

4) Have you watched any movies with Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MAla

soundtracks with lots of explosions? At what db level? No 'bitstream bombs' during the explosions (loud POPs/THUDs that shouldn't be there)?

Max

Latest publicly available firmware.

HDMI 1.

Bitstream.

Yes. No problems.

Not sure on dB level, I use the other scale not dB. Generally I'm at 60 when watching a movie, sometimes up to 65 or so.
post #5062 of 26595
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Bob P.

Did the 93 resolve the 5dB LFE level mismatch(too low) on its analog outputs that the 83/83SE players had?

I'm not cabled up to test that, so someone else will have to check.

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Here's the deal: If any speaker is set to Small and the Sub is ON in the analog speaker configuration, them the ANALOG Sub channel output will be -15dB down compared to the other analog channels. This is CORRECT. -10dB down is baked in to keep LFE from clipping the preamplifier inputs, and the additional -5dB down is needed to do the same now that the additional steered bass from the Small speakers is mixed in.

In the 83, some where expecting that if all speakers where set to Large, then the extra 5dB attenuation would go away and the analog Sub output (now consisting only of LFE content) would only be -10dB down compared to the other channels.

But Oppo chose to implement the alternate method in the Dolby spec (which sets the rules on such stuff), and used -15dB for the analog Sub output attenuation even when all speakers are Large.

To test this in the 93, wire up the multi-channel analog outs and configure the Sub ON and other speakers Small. Power cycle the player. Now play a calibration track with separate LFE output (i.e., not just bass included in some main speaker channel). The AIX disc for example. Record the SPL level of that sub output when the .1 portion of the test track is playing.

Now set ALL speakers to Large with the Sub still ON. Power cycle the player again. And again, play the .1 portion of that calibration track.

Do you get the same SPL or is it now +5dB louder?

Either answer is "right" (according to Dolby). We just need to get on the record which way it is implemented in the 93. In the 83, the Sub output would be the same in both cases.

Knowing the answer is important to analog users because typically you will need to make settings adjustments in your AVR or Sub volume control or both to get the analog Sub output balanced with the other speaker channels. And if you are comparing all speakers Large vs some speakers Small, this can be a point of confusion. Of course if you are not changing Small/Large like this you just need to make your setup adjustments once (SPL meter and audio calibration test disc) and you are DONE, regardless of the answer above.

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Again this is ONLY a question for the multi-channel analog outs (and only, even for them, if you happen to have ALL speakers set to Large).

There is no bass steering happening in the player for the digital audio outputs, and the LFE content balance vs. the other speaker channels is handled automatically for them in all cases. I.e., the digital LFE output is always and only -10dB down and the AVRs, by factory default, take care of providing the required, standard, +10dB boost.
--Bob
post #5063 of 26595
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

The BDP-95 will solve all those problems, Oppo said that they are developing a new Netflix interface and are securing Pandora

I would be quite upset if Pandora comes to the BDP-95 but bypassed the BDP-93 (especially when it can be had on $100 players).

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Originally Posted by ebug View Post

I'm more concern about the hardware performance and quality of disk playback. Is PS3 better than Oppo (or competitors like the new Denon BDP-1611)?

Are you being intentionally obtuse? One user has already told you twice that he felt that Oppo video quality on BD playback is slightly better. That's hard to objectively confirm without double-blind testing. They're likely very similar. The Oppo is indeed the better DVD upscaler.
post #5064 of 26595
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Originally Posted by thebard View Post

Where did you get this info re: Pandora? Is it confirmed?

No future services have been confirmed by OPPO. I haven't heard any informed speculation about Pandora.

The BDP-93 and -95 will run the same firmware, so I would expect service offerings to be the same on both.

-Bill
post #5065 of 26595
First, I apologize if this has been previously answered but I didn't see anything.
I am getting audio only thru the HDMI to my TV. Have an older receiver so relying on analog for 5.1 but also have optical connected to the receiver too. It's not the receiver as I am getting both analog and optical using my older Pioneer universal player.
Also, when I used my Avia test disc initially the back surrounds were coming thru my fronts. Seems after a disconnect from power and restart that problem was fixed but still have the audio problem with analog and optical. I've read the manual to the point that I almost have it memorized but can't seem to fix this and am about ready to return it....help!
post #5066 of 26595
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Originally Posted by iknown View Post

Does Oppo BDP-93 play Video CD (VCD).

Yes, all the OPPO models support VCD and SVCD.

-Bill
post #5067 of 26595
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Originally Posted by muncybob View Post

I've read the manual to the point that I almost have it memorized but can't seem to fix this and am about ready to return it....help!

I hope you give OPPO support a chance to help you before you return the player.

-Bill
post #5068 of 26595
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Originally Posted by muncybob View Post

First, I apologize if this has been previously answered but I didn't see anything.
I am getting audio only thru the HDMI to my TV. Have an older receiver so relying on analog for 5.1 but also have optical connected to the receiver too. It's not the receiver as I am getting both analog and optical using my older Pioneer universal player.
Also, when I used my Avia test disc initially the back surrounds were coming thru my fronts. Seems after a disconnect from power and restart that problem was fixed but still have the audio problem with analog and optical. I've read the manual to the point that I almost have it memorized but can't seem to fix this and am about ready to return it....help!

I'm a bit confused by your post, but I THINK you are saying that you can't get either Analog or Optical audio to work into your receiver but you CAN get HDMI audio to work directly to your TV. Right?

OK, look at the top of the Oppo remote and you will find both a Mute button and a pair of Volume buttons. Check to be sure that the Volume is raised all the way up to 100 and that the Volume is not Muted. That's basically the only way to turn off audio output on the analog connections. (Well that and turning off all the speakers in the Oppo's Speaker Configuration.)

Are you using the same input jacks and settings in your receiver that you used with the Pioneer? If not, then check to see what's different in the settings for the two sets of jacks.
--Bob
post #5069 of 26595
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Originally Posted by iknown View Post

Does Oppo BDP-93 play Video CD (VCD). I have some VCDs (from Asia) and would like to know whether I can use them in Oppo or keep my existing DVD player (just for VCD).

-iKnown

The 93 not only plays my old Chinese VCD's, the PQ is remarkably better than any other device I've had that could play them. With NR and Sharpness set at +1, I can even manage to watch them on my 65" display at an acceptable (by VCD standards) quality level. The 93 has given new life to these discs.
post #5070 of 26595
Has anyone had a chance to compare Netflix on the BDP-93 with the TiVo Series 3 or 4?
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