Official OPPO BDP-93 Owner's Thread - Page 174

Perhaps 'a' should be "any," to avoid any possible confusion, if that's indeed the case. By the way, how does the dithering option fit in here? Nobody seems to really know what added value it provides, or what it's doing. Qdeo True Color uses a type of dithering, so this seems even more curious. Some info would be great, I might just have to e-mail Oppo on this.

I just ran a test on my own system and confirmed OPPO's findings. I then swapped the cables at the back of the OPPO and was able to get the desired audio through my surround sound processor.

Just as you, the direct connection from the OPPO to my TV is actually going through the Mitsubishi 3D adapter (my TV is a Mitsubishi WD-65835), so I've got the same reservation as you (and had been sending HDMI2 to the adapter with the intention of using HDMI1 for everything other than 3D) in using that as my everyday input for use with the OPPO.

I hadn't noticed the issue before as I only have 1 3D Blu-ray title and only watched it briefly so far to see the 3D effect - I wasn't paying attention to the audio at the time.

I have no idea if this is a hardware limitation or something they can address through a firmware update.

Got the response...

"This will likely not be corrected in a future firmware update as this was the design of the player."

The specs say:


If they did design it to limit audio over HDMI1 to the capabilities of HDMI2, it wasn't explained.

I am disappointed, but glad to see that I'm not the only one that had hoped to use it that way.

So, what is the cheapest HDMI4 A/V receiver I can stick between the BDP-93 and the 3D adapter to "trick" it?

Just a guess: Yamaha RXV367BL

I wonder if this Gefen box would help. It can be taught the same EDID as the multichannel capable unit, then inserted into the TV path.

Regarding "lip sync" error
Just got response from OPPO service. Looks like I have to wait for the EU firmware:

If you are using the European release of the player, then unfortunately the firmware which we are linking to is not compatible with your player. You will need to wait for a new firmware to be released by the European division.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
2629B Terminal Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118

I'm thinking the next firmware update will include Vudu, or it could happen when the 95 is released in Feb.

I have my analog problem resolved...thanks agn to Bob. Indeed, I did not have the analog volume turned up...but, still no audio from the optical cable. Is this perhaps due to audio being enabled thru HDMI? No biggie really for me as I plan to use analog only for audio.
Now, to get analog audio I must have my avr on Multi Channel...am I getting 2.1 from non multi channel cd's while in mutli channel mode? It seems I am but want to be sure not missing something. Would appear to me that I will always want my avr in multi channel since I do not have HDMI in the avr? For bass mgt I set all speakers to small in the 93, crossover at 60 (my fronts are full range speakers) and my sub set at max crossover to be sure it's getting all LFE...would you do anything different?
Ready to watch our first blu ray (Inception) tonight....hoping it's all I expect it to be!

I was thinking about that too and actually have one of those hooked up to my HTPC, so I can swap things around a bit and give it a try. Obviously not a cheap solution, but less expensive and a LOT more practical than adding a second receiver into the mix. I'll try to run a test with this today and report back.

I'm praying that Vudu is not exclusive to the 95. I'll be severely pissed if it is!

Both players run the same firmware, so all services should be the same.

(I suppose there could be scheduling hitches in getting multiple models certified simultaneously, but in general I try not to yelp until I've been hit).

-Bill

I don't think this is going to do it Roger. You need to present the EDID of an audio-capable device, true, but that also means the player will actually send that audio over the cable. If you pass a bitstream to a TV that can't handle it, I doubt the results will be pleasant.

You need something that can present the audio-capable EDID and ALSO mute the audio in its output (i.e., presents itself as the sink of that audio stream).

I think what's really needed is a "Video Only" option in the player for HDMI 2 (as well as for HDMI 1), and I'm not sure the hardware can do that.
--Bob

the European firmware is due next week, i got an email back from oppo uk and they said next week for the update.

I followed Bob's instructions as well. Once again, thanks Bob. It sounds fantastic.

I am also using an AV Processor that has no HDMI inputs and so I am using the analog inputs. My HDMI is going from the processor direct to the TV. I have to leave the processor on 6 channel direct direct always whether I am listening to music or watching movies. I am able to play SACD's in multi & 2 channel form as well as in DSD (as long as I switch the monitor input to something other than HDMI 1 (which I use) and in LPCM if the TV is set to HDMI 1. No problems with DVD-A or DTS incoded music discs.

At least yours will work! Canada is still waiting for Netflix.

If I go with HDMI 1 to my AVR then HDMI out to my 1080P projector, so audio and video are being sent. Can I hook up HDMI 2 to the DVI input on my 1080i plasma, or would their be an issue with the differing resolutions? I don't plan to use them at the same time. Would I be better served hooking up the to component out of the 93 for the plasma. I realize I would need to switch to analog to use the component outs, is that switch just a toggle that could be easily set up as a macro on a Harmony remote?

When I talked by phone to an Oppo rep a couple of weeks ago he told me that Vudu had jumped the gun by listing Oppo on their site.

He stated that they still had to go thru a certification process with them that can take time.

We also talked about the differences between the Qdeo & ABT chip.

He stated the ABT is a cadence chip & they decided on the Qdeo for the noice processing for the streaming.

He stated the ABT chip was better for Blu-ray & upconversion.

He said the next firmware update would be in the spring but they haven't decided on everything that will be included in it yet.

It was an interesting talk. I called in for a problem but got a wealth of information.

OK, glad to hear your analog output is workng.

If you have LF/RF set to Small in the analog Speaker Configuration in the Oppo then, yes, bass will be steered from CD stereo (as well as other content) to the Sub output according to the Crossover frequency you have selected. (If you are playing multi-channel content, then the steered bass will be mixed with the ".1", LFE, channel content and that's what will go to the sub output.)

With that setup, since the Oppo is doing the crossover processing for you, then yes, the normal sub setting would be to disable the sub's own, internal crossover -- or crank it up to the highest frequency if it can't be disabled.

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Now as to your Optical audio:

Some content can't be carried by Optical. This would include SACD and DVD-Audio for example. Optical doesn't provide the copy protection they demand.

Typically what you should do for Optical is set Setup > Audio Format Setup > Coaxial/Optical Output to Bitstream. Presuming your AVR can accept DD5.1 and DTS 5.1 via an Optical Bitstream connection, that will get you the widest range of possible audio over Optical.

For example, if you play a TrueHD or DTS-HD MA track (neither of which can be carried over Optical), the player will automatically use the "compatibility" track which is also on disc for just such purposes. For TrueHD you'll get a DD5.1 over Optical. For DTS-HD MA you'll get a DTS 5.1.

For content that needs to be transmitted as LPCM -- CDs for example -- the player will automatically use 2.0 LPCM over Optical, even though you have set Bitstream.

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Now if that's what you are doing and you STILL aren't getting Optical, then first check the settings in your AVR. The AVR may require a setting that tells it to LOOK FOR an Optical input signal -- otherwise it will expect the audio to come in on a stereo RCA jack (analog) pair. Also check that the Optical cable is plugged into the jack you think it is plugged into. And try a different cable. Optical cables can be damaged if they are kinked or stepped on, and the optical end of cable at each plug can get dirty so that no signal is seen.

ETA: Oh, and if you happen to be using a NEW Optical cable, there's a little protective cap that needs to be pulled off the plugs at each end. You'd be surprised how many people try to use Optical without doing that!
--Bob

Loose lips sink ships, anyone?

the oppo 83 is a fine player. I didn't need two oppo player. I am good with the 93.

Jacob

Heh, perhaps. But I think if anything it shows that Oppo realizes what will also become more important than DVD upconversion going forward... getting the best possible quality out of streaming sevices. Blu-rays, by definition of being pixel for pixel size-wise with the screens they're being viewed on, leave VERY little room for quality enhancement anyhow.

Now if only they actually get the Qdeo processing working well with streaming content

Looking forward to the spring update (if that's accurate). Hopefully we'll see at least an official beta before then though to see their work in progress.

it will be interesting to see how Vudu works on the oppo 93. its very impressive on the ps3.

Jacob

I ran a quick test of this during my lunch break. My HDMI detective is programmed with the EDID from my Denon AVP-A1HDCI with my Mitsubishi WD-65835 connected.

I had the following connections hooked up:

1) Oppo BDP-93 HDMI1 -> Denon AVP-A1HDCI -> Mitsubishi WD-65835 HDMI1
2) Oppo BDP-93 HDMI2 -> HDMI Detective -> Mitsubishi 3D-A1 format converter box -> Mitsubishi WD-65835 HDMI2

With this configuration, I couldn't get Dolby TrueHD with the TV switched to either HDMI1 or HDMI2. Further, with the TV switched to HDMI2, there was no picture, just a blue screen.

So I think it's safe to say that this configuration is much worse than without the HDMI Detective in the mix.

I suppose it's possible that with the HDMI Detective programmed with different EDID info that the results might change, but I don't want to change mine as it has resolved issues with my HTPC in its current configuration and I really don't want to mess with that.

Even if it can be made to work, there are other potential issues. For example, since the Denon AVP supports DSD, what would happen if I ended up sending DSD to the TV?

One potential solution to the problem is to use a 2x1 HDMI splitter. The connections would be as follows:

1) OPPO HDMI2 -> receiver / processor for audio
2) Receiver / processor HDMI output -> TV HDMI1
3) OPPO HDMI1 -> HDMI Splitter
4) HDMI Splitter output #1 -> TV HDMI2
5) HDMI Splitter output #2 -> Mitsubishi 3D-A1 -> TV HDMI3

Switch the TV to HDMI1 for anything other than the OPPO. Switch the TV to HDMI2 for the OPPO for everything other than 3D. Switch the TV to HDMI3 for 3D on the OPPO. I haven't tested this, but it ought to work. It would be best to make sure the splitter is rated for HDMI 1.4.

Cheezmo - what are the issues you referred to when using the Mitsubishi 3D-A1 converter for all video instead of using it only when 3D is needed? I haven't given mine much use yet, so I haven't run into any problems yet and don't recall reading any specifics anywhere.

I am going to double check now that I may be forced to do it, but I read that there were white level issues. They may only come into play when the source material is 3D though, so I will run some tests and see if watching 2D material through the 3D adapter is effectively pass through or not.

I'm a little disapointed that Oppo did not go with the "best" chip for blu-ray playback. All other factors should be secondary.

Does this mean that if you don't care about streaming, you should use HDMI 2 (not HDMI 1) for blu-ray playback?

Well since most reviews are showing the oppo looks better than even the ps3 when playing br content, I am not crying about it

The chip is only a starting point for what makes a good performing BD player. The way the chip is integrated, the software, firmware, output path, circuits, etc all have an impact. Meridian uses the Q chip in the mega high price player. Denon uses ABT and anthor. It is kind of like asking which super car is better each has advantages and each has drawbacks.

And there is nothing wrong with the BD imaging quality in the 93, even in the current firmware.

Keep in mind that Oppo is very familiar with the ABT chip. I'm sure they retain a certain fondness for it, after finally figuring out all its quirks. They would not have abandoned it lightly, or without thinking they could make the new chip perform.
--Bob

I am contemplating the possibility of hooking up upcoming BDP 95 directly to power amps in case if it uses decent volume control in addition to all that DAC chips. I figured that it may share the cirquitry with BDP93 in that area. Does anybody knows if it is analog in BDP93 ( something like CS331 chip ) or it is just plain bit decimator?