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post #691 of 25203
11/27/10 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

I see everyone has raved about how much improved the tray is on the 93. Personally I never had a single tray problem with my 83, but for some reason to me it feels like the 83's was a bit sturdier. I don't know why it seems that way to me, but it just does. Maybe something about how I think the 93's is a little longer, and comes out a bit farther, and this is giving the illusion of more flimsiness to it than the 83 had.

Like I said, I never had a single issue my 83's tray, and don't anticipate any probllems with this tray, so it's kind of a moot pont to me. Just thought it was interesting that everyone has pointed out how much better the tray is, and I prefer the older one.

The tray on the 93 is thinner and much quieter than the one on the 83. I never had a problem with the tray on the 83 either, but did read several posts on the Owner's Thread with folks remarking somewhat negatively on the "clunky" sound it made.

So for some people, thinner/quieter = better. And maybe its mechanics are better in other ways too.
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post #692 of 25203
11/27/10 at 6:43pm
any firmware updates out yet
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post #693 of 25203
11/27/10 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by ishak View Post

any firmware updates out yet

no.
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post #694 of 25203
11/27/10 at 6:53pm
2:3 pulldown question:

My S2 can accept 1080p/24, but performs 2:3. In my chain (93 to Duo with ABT chip to S2), where should I have the 2:3 happen, or does it matter?

I wonder if I should not let the Oppo send 4:2:2 1080p/60 to the Duo, then let it send 4:4:4 1080p/60 to the S2.
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post #695 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:02pm
Greetings all,

The 93 finally arrived today and have everything setup to how I want but have one clarification.

I have an older Onkyo 304 and have the 5.1 analog setup on the 93 and the coaxial audio. I also have ToS but that is being used by Comcast HD DVR.

I assume that the 5.1 analog would be be better than the coaxial or ToS until I upgrade as the 93 can control each channel?

Thanks in advance!

Any one else get the note that the Spears & Mnsil HD Benchmark Blu-ray was on back order and not shipping till 11/30/2010?
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post #696 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

I see everyone has raved about how much improved the tray is on the 93. Personally I never had a single tray problem with my 83, but for some reason to me it feels like the 83's was a bit sturdier. I don't know why it seems that way to me, but it just does. Maybe something about how I think the 93's is a little longer, and comes out a bit farther, and this is giving the illusion of more flimsiness to it than the 83 had.

Like I said, I never had a single issue my 83's tray, and don't anticipate any probllems with this tray, so it's kind of a moot pont to me. Just thought it was interesting that everyone has pointed out how much better the tray is, and I prefer the older one.

I never had any trouble with the tray in my ex BDP-83, but it felt more like a CD/DVD tray on a PC than something you would find on a piece of serious hi-fi equipment.

My experience is that the entire transport is much more refined and quieter than the BDP-83.

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Streaming on it over my media server however is just awesome! Very stable, haven't had a single lock up yet with streaming, very impressive. And can only improve through firmware upgrades

Yes, there a number of documented things missings from DLNA at present with respect to playback that we can expect to be rectified before general release.
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post #697 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by ldhays View Post

The ysp does not support 3D?

That's right if it's a A/V Receiver with HDMI 1.3.

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The YSP hdmi inputs and outputs are version 1.3, any problems there?

You need HDMI 1.4 for 3D, but there is a work around. Connect the OPPO HDMI 1 to your display (for video), and the OPPO HDMI 2 to your receiver (for audio).
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post #698 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by kdavison007 View Post

Has anyone had problems streaming using My Network and DLNA/UPnP? My BDP-83 streamed .mkv without issues, but I keep getting the "format not supported" error when trying to stream files the 83 would stream.

I've successfully streamed .mkv files via DLNA to the BDP-93.

Which server software are you using?
Does your DLNA server recognise the BDP-93 as being capable of playing .mkv natively?
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post #699 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:10pm
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Originally Posted by jkozlow3 View Post

Well, this is disappointing...

I purchased the 93 to replace my 83 which I sold last month. With the 83, I used 1/2x zoom all the time when watching SD DVD on my 106" projection screen, as 106" is simply way too big for SD material to look good (regardless of what anyone says). 1/2x zoom on my 83 resulted in a pretty decent picture and was easier than zooming the projector's lens down. IIRC, the 1/2x zoom on the 83 resulted in something like a 75" diagonal picture (down from 106"). I could be wrong on this, but I thought I measured it 1+ year ago and came to that conclusion. Either way, SD material looked much more tolerable at the smaller size.

So I got the 93 this morning and just tried it out with an SD DVD. 1/2x zoom is MUCH, MUCH smaller on the 93 than on the 83 - smaller than my 58" plasma for sure. To me, 1/2x zoom means the total square inch picture area should be about 1/2 the size. So 4800ish square inches on a 106" screen should be 2400ish after 1/2x zoom. However, the 93's 1/2x zoom is resulting in something much more along the lines of 1/4x based on my rough measurement.

This complete negates my primary reason for purchasing the 93. Not only that, but the 1/2x zoom results in a terribly unstable picture (which I'm sure Oppo will fix with the final firmware or sooner). I was using American Beauty (SD DVD) as my test disc.

What gives with the much smaller 1/2x zoom though??

I'll be sending the player back to Oppo if they aren't planning on correcting the size. Either that or I'll sell the player to anyone who is interested for the price I paid for it (including shipping) after I check with Oppo and get a response on this zoom issue. PM me if interested.

Well that sucks Why is the 1/2 zoom different size compared to the 83??? I assume everyone else is experiencing the same thing? Is this something that will be fixed?
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post #700 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:11pm
I watched a few movies on the 93 up to now. I find the picture a bit better than my Pioneer 320, but I find the sound a bit more subdued (not as dynamic). Anyone else thinking the sound seems held back a bit ? I have it on bitstream and DRC is off.
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post #701 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by Gates View Post

I watched a few movies on the 93 up to now. I find the picture a bit better than my Pioneer 320, but I find the sound a bit more subdued (not as dynamic). Anyone else thinking the sound seems held back a bit ? I have it on bitstream and DRC is off.


That doesnt make any sense if you are bitstreaming.....there should be no difference.
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post #702 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

That doesnt make any sense if you are bitstreaming.....there should be no difference.

Well that's what I thought but it doesn't sound the same at all. I even had to put up the volume compared to usual. Seems more flat sounding.
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post #703 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by Ted99 View Post

Will it play PC-recorded +R DL DVD discs? Intro desctription is not specific on this point. I have 2 other bluray players, one of which will (a cheap LG), and the other (a Panny BMP-BD30) which won't reliably do so.

I only use DVD+R and I can confirm that it plays DVD+R DL discs that I've burnt.

Good DVD+R DL playback also requires a bit more care when burning to ensure that you take care of the layer transition properly.
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post #704 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by Gates View Post

Well that's what I thought but it doesn't sound the same at all. I even had to put up the volume compared to usual. Seems more flat sounding.

Have you checked to see if your ears need cleaning? :-P
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post #705 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by rakosnicek View Post

Have you checked to see if your ears need cleaning? :-P

Well I did take a shower 2 weeks ago
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post #706 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

For the moment I recommend HDMI 1 physical connection with HDMI 1 output priority, explicit 1080p output resolution, 1080p/24 Auto, 3D OFF, TV System Multi, "16:9 Wide/Auto", HDMI YCbCr 4:4:4, HDMI Deep Color OFF, Secondary Audio ON, HDMI Audio LPCM, SACD Output PCM, HDCD Decoding ON, HDMI CEC OFF.

Some of these recommendations may change as the firmware evolves.
--Bob

Awesome Bob...... As usual.......Thank you a whole lot......

Erling
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post #707 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by Gates View Post

Well that's what I thought but it doesn't sound the same at all. I even had to put up the volume compared to usual. Seems more flat sounding.


I know you said you checked DRC and it was off in the player, what about the receiver?

Is anyone else finding bitstreamed audio on the 93 to sound different from their previous player?

This and the 1/2 zoom being much smaller than the 83 has me a bit concerned......
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post #708 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:33pm
got the 93 hooked up today, and have run every format through it(BD, DVD, DVD-A, SACD, CD), and everything works just great.

the beta testers and OPPO did a fantastic job on the pre-release firmware(at least in my case thus far). great work folks!

just as a side note...in this very odd age we are in now where even high end equipment comes only with soft copies of manuals, it's great to see a hardcopy manual with the 93. it's quality work, just like everything OPPO does, very heavy paper stock, embossed front cover lettering, AND best of all, when reading the manual, it does not appear that it was translated from another language into English.

very coherent and well written.

the wireless internet hooked up immediately to my home network. very nice...

another great product from a really great company....

Jeff
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post #709 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

I know you said you checked DRC and it was off in the player, what about the receiver?

Is anyone else finding bitstreamed audio on the 93 to sound different from their previous player?

This and the 1/2 zoom being much smaller than the 83 has me a bit concerned......

Not at all. Why worry - the player is not final yet.
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post #710 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

Bob,

I have reported this to Oppo, but I know you use an Anthem pre/pro so I wanted to see whay your experience has been.
Oppo 93 is working fine except for one problem.
In audio format setup--hdmi audio I tried to set it up for auto, but it only sends the core audio for BR, even when it has DTS-MA chosen.
LPCM works fine- shows 48kHz into the D2. I can't use bitstream to the D2.

Since you can bitstream to the D2v you may not have tried auto, but if you did, were you able to get it to work?

I use hdmi1 to my display, hdmi2 to the D2.


Tom

I can't repeat your test with the D2v since it accepts the lossless bitstreams -- i.e., the Auto setting would get different info from it than from your D2, and so its correct result would be different.

Double check that your video output resolution is 720p or higher when Auto is failing to give you the full track. If it is, then you've found a bug. Make sure that Oppo knows your model of Anthem can't accept the lossless Bitstreams.

By the way, how do you know you are getting the core track? What are you getting instead of the high bit rate LPCM?
--Bob
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post #711 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:46pm
Just wanted to chime in briefly with my initial impressions of the 93, which I received today. I have a Pioneer SC-25, and I know several Pioneer owners have had trouble with the HDMI 1 output on the 93.

I have the 93 connected to the SC-25 via HDMI 1, and set the 93 to bitstream everything to the AVR. I do not have an HDTV at this time, so I'm running component video cables to the AVR.

I had one instance, while watching "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince," where I paused the movie then resumed it a few seconds later. Audio lagged video by 2-3 seconds. I paused/resumed again, and the issue corrected itself.

Sending DSD to the SC-25 has gone fine, with only one minor hiccup. I listened to an entire SACD, then put another one in the player. The 93 played the disc but the SC-25 did not output any audio. Pausing/resuming the player didn't work, and neither did stopping/resuming or opening/closing the disc tray. However, when I powered the 93 off/on, the issue was resolved.

I have owned the SC-25 for a few months, and upgraded its firmware about a month ago with "unofficial" (i.e., not directly from Pioneer) firmware from another AVS member to resolve an issue I had where it would not power on from a remote command. The firmware upgrade was quick and painless (unlike the debacle with the Onkyo x05 receiver line, which I bravely suffered through) and the SC-25 hasn't given me any issues since. So, it's possible that the new firmware could have improved the way the AVR handles HDCP handshakes. Just throwing that out there in the interest of full disclosure.
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post #712 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:47pm
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

You should know that the 93 does not use the mono-stereo cable like the 83 did. You need to use a mono-mono cable

Yes, I was aware of that and I made the switch to the mono-mono plug when I hooked it up for the first time.
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post #713 of 25203
11/27/10 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Not at all. Why worry - the player is not final yet.

Your right and I am sure the bitstreaming issue is most likely something else in that members chain since I dont see how the Oppo could mess that up

I would like to know why the 1/2 zoom is smaller compared to the 83 though and if they will make it the same size as the 83 with a future FW release. Can anyone in the know on here comment on this? This is one feature I am looking forward to using, but having this at a different size than the 83 would be very disappointing.
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post #714 of 25203
11/27/10 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by Gates View Post

I watched a few movies on the 93 up to now. I find the picture a bit better than my Pioneer 320, but I find the sound a bit more subdued (not as dynamic). Anyone else thinking the sound seems held back a bit ? I have it on bitstream and DRC is off.

Check to confirm you have Secondary Audio OFF.

If you have Secondary Audio ON with HDMI Audio Bitstream then the player will be decoding the lossless track in prep for secondary audio mixing followed by re-encoding it as high bit rate, lossy DTS 5.1. And it is possible your Pioneer handles DTS input differently than the lossless track bitstreams.

ETA: If you like leaving Secondary Audio ON, I recommend you use HDMI Audio LPCM instead of Bitstream.
--Bob
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post #715 of 25203
11/27/10 at 8:06pm
I didn't see any comment on the 30 days return period to start AFTER the player is released to the public. This is a big plus and shows the company's commitment with quality and service. From the invitation email:

"To ensure your complete satisfaction with your purchase, your BDP-93's return period will be extended to 30-days after the BDP-93 is officially released to the general public."

The 93 wil be my Oppo first blood , not a fanboy (yet).
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11/27/10 at 8:07pm
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post #717 of 25203
11/27/10 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by alk3997 View Post

Just hooked up the Oppo and wow! Great player - easy setup. I'm really impressed about the picture quality. The front panel was also surprisingly informative which is unusual these days.

I am however missing one thing. How do I select a different resolution for each of the HDMI outputs? For instance I would like to select "Auto" for HDMI 1 and 1080i for HDMI 2. Is this possible? It would really simplify my setup. If I have to reverse the above (1080i for HDMI 1 and "Auto" for HDMI 2, that would also be acceptable).

Thanks for any help. I looked at the owner's manual, the FAQ and searched this thread but didn't see anything about this.

It's not possible. Both HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 will carry the same output resolution. (You can, however, set different data formats.)

I do not know if this is something that can be changed in firmware without screwing up other stuff.
--Bob
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post #718 of 25203
11/27/10 at 8:31pm
I have ordered mine and WILL be an owner in a few days... Does the IR input (mono plug) work with Pronto extenders (RFX9400/RFX9600s)? They use industry standard mono plugs. Thanks. SJ
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11/27/10 at 8:56pm
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post #720 of 25203
11/27/10 at 9:09pm
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Well that sucks Why is the 1/2 zoom different size compared to the 83??? I assume everyone else is experiencing the same thing? Is this something that will be fixed?

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I would like to know why the 1/2 zoom is smaller compared to the 83 though and if they will make it the same size as the 83 with a future FW release. Can anyone in the know on here comment on this? This is one feature I am looking forward to using, but having this at a different size than the 83 would be very disappointing.

I was the one who posted about 1/2x zoom being much smaller with an unstable picture (at least on the American Beauty SD DVD I was testing with). I emailed Oppo last night at the same time I posted in this thread and I got a response back today that said they will investigate why the size is smaller than the 83 with an unstable picture. So it wasn't even on their radar.

Seems odd to me that no one has noticed this before during months of beta testing - Oppo included.
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