The Sony VPL VW90ES 3D Owner's Thread - Page 5

I thought Avatar was by far the best 3D presentation I had yet seem, and saw it both in an IMAX and RealD theater. Yet when I watched the 2D version on Blu Ray at home, I was impressed with how much more detail I saw that I recalled with the 3D version...(I don't think I saw Sully's tears in the opening sequence in the theaters) I almost experienced some crosstalk in the theater as well...

So we'll see what happens here - but if the home experience is better than the theater experience (as it already is with 2D material - theaters generally are garbage these days), then I'm hoping I'm in for a treat.

You're in the car holmes... Pisser you won't have it this week end though...Look at the bright side...You have something to look forward to...

What was your previous projector?

Agreed!

vpl-vw85

So the Sony glasses ship with filters...but there seems to be filters already on the two pair of included glasses..do I still put the additional filters ontop of the ones already there?

Right now I am using a Jvc rs20 and beside 3D, the only reason I want to upgrade is for the motion handling. I am a big hockey fan (Mtl Canadien ) and on the jvc, there too much motion blur... How does your 85 and 90 perform for hockey fast movement?

Thanks for the settings update...Keep us posted on new settings...especially for 3D...

Chances of a treat - very high.

I also thought the 2D Blu-ray version of Avatar allowed me to see things I didn't see in any of the theatrical showings. Virtually everything about watching it at home was better than in the ReadD and other digital theaters. It was much brighter, more colorful, more detailed, had better contrast, and my High Power screen was flawless, unlike the commercial theaters. So far, I've just seen the 3D version on my plasma, but I can't wait for my JVC to arrive so I can enjoy it on a big screen. That's the only way the theatrical experience has been better - and that's about to be remedied.

Fantastic - it is why I sold the HD750 to get the 85 - the 750 was a great unit for watching movies, but the red/green fringing and other motion blurring watching sports was unbearable. Sony's motion handling is outstanding...

The Sony glasses sold in stores (basically for Sony flat panels) don`t have filters and are not sold with any attachable ones. If you use those for a Sony 3D projector you must install the filters included with the projector on those glasses. The glasses included with the 3D projectors already have the filters installed.

Thanks for the feedback... I think i will do my move sooner than I thought.

So..the Rangers eeked out a 6-5 win over the Islanders...

on to some 3D viewing...IMAX Under the Sea 3D

I will only write a short bit here, as I've only watched about 30 minutes and am going back into watch some more...

By and large, I am floored!. The DaLite High Power screen is your friend here...in reading some of these numbers about reduced lumens and all that, I was apprehensive about a fairly dark image...but I am really stunned how bright it is - and I am still running in low lamp mode, and glasses on low. So I have a lot of headroom if needed.

The titles concerned me, since crosstalk was fairly evident, but once the title started to play, I noticed very little - many of the shots in this title are incredibly rendered in 3D, and, as probably a foretelling of how Avatar will look, I am impressed at the retention of detail in the image. As I posted earlier, the theatrical rendition of Avatar in 3D was good, but the 2D Blu Ray revealed a lot of detail lost on the big screen. I suspect I will be quite pleased when I get a copy...

This is not a title to gauge color accuracy, and I don't actually have a live action 3D title yet. But the colors and contrast were vivid. And did I mention the detail?

Montion enhancer feature is very nice to have in 3D, and the overall experience was really much better than I was imaging.

There is some crosstalk for me, but far less then I experienced in the theaters. I played with the depth setting on the projector, but couldn't really see much difference. I mean, the image changed, but I couldn't really say what the hell was happening. I don't know if the Samsung Blu Ray player has any settings - I just ripped it out and set it up...

Right now, I'm using the Sony glasses. I have a pair of Xpand 103's, and will try those soon to see if there is any difference with my set-up.

Need to watch a lot more to see if I uncover less than favorable issues, but right now I am extremely pleased.

The HP screen is your friend!

Thanks bro!...Finally a review from someone I trust. I am really pumped and excited...I knew the image couldn't be as dim as "some" were saying...I imagine with some tweeking here and there, and an HP screen or any white 2.8-5.0 screen, the picture will be even better...You have an advantage over my set-up for 3D anyways...I have a 150" acoustipro transparant screen...(don't know how that is gonna work...I may have to zoom down the 3D image, and mount the projector father forward...(don't really want to)...

For my setup, the Xpand's are no better, and slightly worse, than the Sony glasses. The HP is a non-polarizing preserving screen, so perhaps there is a connection.

But for me, the Xpands exhibit more crosstalk than the Sony's. With the Xpands, I have to set the glasses brightness setting to High in the projector, but the effect from Low to High does not actually impact brightness, but rather, crosstalk. In High, the crosstalk is least - on low, it is very noticeable. But even in High, it is more than the Sony's.

I also find the Sony's better built and more comfortable than the XPand's. I just think the stick-on polarizing filters are very cheesy with the Sony

Now Joerod seemed to have better success with the Xpand's, but I think he has a polarizing-preserving Silverstar, so I'm wondering if there's a correlation...

Not sure what your gain is, but I'm guessing you will run in high lamp mode with that monster screen... when is yours due?

glad to hear someone else comment on 3D & the HP screen, I feel like a heretic sometimes discussing it's benefits, especially with 3D and the light sucking black hole shutter glasses. I have a 142" 2.8 screen and have the same Acer 5360 for 3D as Conan48. The image through the glasses is 'just right' with the high gain screen. I'm curious to hear his thoughts regarding a comparison between the Sony & Acer in 3D.

Avatar 3D looks fantastic on the big HP screen, much brighter than my local premiere Imax theater. it would be impossible to watch the 2d version by comparison. It should look great on the Sony.

edit: Thrang - Which movies / scenes are you seeing crosstalk? This makes me a bit nervous to hear on a costly projector (this and the JVC). I've been spoiled with this cheap 3D DLP, there is just no crosstalk to be found (i've watched 16 3D titles so far).

I want to make sure I'm saying the righting thing - crosstalk is synonymous with ghosting, correct?

I've only watched one title, the IMAX under the sea blu ray. I see minor ghosting at times, but it is scene dependent. To be fair, I may be sensitive to this effect - I've not seen a 3d presentation anywhere, in theaters or looking at various 3d sets in stores, where I haven't seen the effect.

It was minor for me on the 90 however. I will need to watch more titles to see if the net effect remains minor or some level of issue. And it was less with the Sony glasses than the xpands on my screen.

Mine is due Dec 6th now...subject to change...but I'm old and have learned to wait more patiently... My screen is 1.1 gain, but as I said, I could always zoom down a bit for 3D. I haven't looked into HP acoustic material screens...but it may be something I should consider. God, this hobby is expensive...

There is no acoustically transparent HP.

Thrang...so you are saying that the X103's are worse than the Sony glasses?...

Well damn it!...There should be!... I guess they lost my sale...lol.

Yes, slightly. As noted above, don't how screen type (polarization-retention) affects this.

I followed the instructions to sync for the Sony - no other brand setting worked at all...

Maybe I could get a master tv tech certified calibrator to wave a magic wand over my projector and come up with some more brightness?

interesting...

Well, I guess I'm gonna hold off on the X103's then...I'll go buy one pair and compare with the Sony glasses when my Sony VW90 arrives...Then if the Xpands look better for some reason on "my" screen, I'll re-order...

In leafing through the manual of my samsung 7900, I noticed there's a screen size setting for 3d, to optimize performance. Not sure how much this matters, and I haven't set it yet, but the manual says it only supports displays of up to 116 inches... If it really does matter, here comes another amazon return...

Yeah, it's kinda weird going through the growing pains of 3D projector technology...We are still taking baby steps...But, it's fun and keeps the juices flowing...

Technically, crosstalk is the measurable amount of light that bleeds through from one eye to the other in 3D displays. Ghosting is crosstalk that is visible, and thus it can vary from viewer to viewer. All ghosting is caused by crosstalk, but not all crosstalk results in ghosting. Although it's technically inaccurate, people often use the terms interchangeably. The technology that seems most immune to ghosting is DLP. LCD flat panels generally exhibit worse ghosting than plasma panels, but neither beats DLP.

The Acer DLP that is being raved about by some here on AVS is remarkable in that its proponents say it shows no ghosting at all. There are test patterns for ghosting that we're all about to become much more familiar with. And, we're going to start getting lots of reports about ghosting now that JVC and Sony 3D projectors are shipping.

For what it's worth, tests on the DaLite High Power screen show that it appears to retain no polarization whatsoever. That means that the polarization orientation of the projector and the glasses should be irrelevant when 3D is viewed on an HP.

Of course, different shutter glasses have their own contrast, brightness, color and transparency characteristics. We're all about to become much more educated about these issues as well. My Samsung plasma has corresponding shutter glasses that I got with the set. I recently got a pair of Ultra Clear shutter glasses that also work with Samsung (and Mitsubishi) sets. They're brighter but ghost a little worse. They don't have the sync issues that my Samsung's do, but the contrast (and therefore the sense of 3D depth) does not appear to be as good. I have some X103s on order, and I look forward to comparing them to the other two brands. The X103s will also work with the JVC RS40 I have on pre-order with AVS.

There's lots to learn.