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post #511 of 1323
12/18/10 at 4:42pm
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Did you order the JVC glasses with the RS 40? If so it will be nice to see how they compare to the Xpand , especially for brightness etc.

Yes...I did...
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post #512 of 1323
12/18/10 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

Did you order the JVC glasses with the RS 40? If so it will be nice to see how they compare to the Xpand , especially for brightness etc.

Sam (damnsam77)compared both in the RS40 thread............to sum it up, the JVCs were slightly brighter, but the 103s had a bit better color/pop if I remember correctly. Check out his posts for more info.

Congrats on your new 90 Chuck! Have fun!
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post #513 of 1323
12/18/10 at 7:23pm
Thanks Todd,

Just finished watching, "Polar Express" 3D Again...Beautiful 3D picture with zero noticable ghosting...So far, the only 3D material that has looked bad is Directv's crappy 3D channels...but that was to be expected. Blu-rays look incredible!...
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post #514 of 1323
12/18/10 at 8:40pm
Hey Joe!...found out something very interesting...Was watching, "The Last Airbender" 3D which has pretty crappy reviews as to the 3D picture quality...anyways, I was watching it and it did look pretty bad, so I was playing around with the settings and decided to turn on motion flow from low to high, and boom! the picture quality improved greatly!...Still learning and fine tuning this puppy...For 3D I have the settings as follows...

Picture Mode........ Dynamic

Cinema Black Pro....Lamp High

Motion Flow......Motion Enhancer....High

Brightness....52

Color.........43

Hue.........50

Color Temp.........High

Sharpness.......50

Gamma Correction.......Gamma 8

XV Color.....Off

Color Space....Normal
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post #515 of 1323
12/18/10 at 9:26pm
wow. Zero ghosting. Maybe I had a defective unit too? I guess me and thrang have defective units, as I saw ghosting in many scenes in every movie. My convergence was near perfect though. Interesting...........I wonder what defect causes the ghosting?
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post #516 of 1323
12/18/10 at 9:55pm
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

wow. Zero ghosting. Maybe I had a defective unit too? I guess me and thrang have defective units, as I saw ghosting in many scenes in every movie. My convergence was near perfect though. Interesting...........I wonder what defect causes the ghosting?

Bad vision?...Hallucinations?...DLP love?...who knows?...
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post #517 of 1323
12/18/10 at 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

Thanks Todd,

Just finished watching, "Polar Express" 3D Again...Beautiful 3D picture with zero noticable ghosting...So far, the only 3D material that has looked bad is Directv's crappy 3D channels...but that was to be expected. Blu-rays look incredible!...



The 3 3d blu rays I have watched so far have been fantastic with no issues........just watched Space Station 3d and there is a scene where an MnM and then an orange hit me in the face! It is crazy! It was such a cool effect, I just started laughing out loud

Good to hear about Polar Express...........I have that one coming up sometime before Christmas
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post #518 of 1323
12/19/10 at 12:38am
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

wow. Zero ghosting. Maybe I had a defective unit too? I guess me and thrang have defective units, as I saw ghosting in many scenes in every movie. My convergence was near perfect though. Interesting...........I wonder what defect causes the ghosting?

Anyone else notice the irony? Now we'll have people arguing that conan's unit was defective just as he was arguing that thrang's was defective. How does it feel to be on the other side now?
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post #519 of 1323
12/19/10 at 12:39am
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

Hey Joe!...found out something very interesting...Was watching, "The Last Airbender" 3D which has pretty crappy reviews as to the 3D picture quality...anyways, I was watching it and it did look pretty bad, so I was playing around with the settings and decided to turn on motion flow from low to high, and boom! the picture quality improved greatly!...Still learning and fine tuning this puppy...For 3D I have the settings as follows...

Picture Mode........ Dynamic

Cinema Black Pro....Lamp High

Motion Flow......Motion Enhancer....High

Brightness....52

Color.........43

Hue.........50

Color Temp.........High

Sharpness.......50

Gamma Correction.......Gamma 8

XV Color.....Off

Color Space....Normal

I will have to try these settings when I wake up. I am hoping for the best possible settings since tonite we are doing SHREK (the last one) and Despicable Me. Thanks Chuck.

Not sure if your units were defective or not but could a common factor have been miss alignment/bad convergence. I searched for ghosts today and could only come up with the most common known scenes mentioned by others. I can't wait until you get your RS40 and can compare.
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post #520 of 1323
12/19/10 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

Anyone else notice the irony? Now we'll have people arguing that conan's unit was defective just as he was arguing that thrang's was defective. How does it feel to be on the other side now?

Indeed I did notice the irony immediately...
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post #521 of 1323
12/19/10 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I will have to try these settings when I wake up. I am hoping for the best possible settings since tonite we are doing SHREK (the last one) and Despicable Me. Thanks Chuck.

Not sure if your units were defective or not but could a common factor have been miss alignment/bad convergence. I searched for ghosts today and could only come up with the most common known scenes mentioned by others. I can't wait until you get your RS40 and can compare.

Joe, you may have to experiment a little with the motion enhancement...I usually leave it on low, but if you put in a 3D disc that looks not quite right, then try setting it to high...I noticed an immediate improvement on "The Last Airbender". Which, incidentally, is a pretty crappy movie in itself, but I was viewing it for 3D purposes only...
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post #522 of 1323
12/19/10 at 8:18am
Do none of you guys notice more ghosting on the bottom third of the screen? When you play Resident Evil, do you get ghosting on all the Subtitles at the bottom of the screen? If you do, then try the xpand glasses and you will notice the ghosting is gone from the bottom and the subs look fine with no ghosting So where did the ghosting go? To the top of the screen instead Me and Petri both had severe ghosting in Resident Evil with the subs at the begining and Petri had completely ghost free intro with the RS50.

Also since we are talking about FI. It used to look good too me for docs and animated movies, but if you turn it on even low for film, you will get the Soapy effect which ruins the look of the movie.

Also, if you guys wan't to know how the FI is completely broken in 3D let me know, and I'll tell you. The only thing is that once I point out what is broke you will ALWAYS notice it, and it can ruin your enjoyment of FI with 3D content. However if my unit was defective (slight sarcasm) I can still get a new one from my dealer, so I almost wan't to tell everyone so that you can all test it for yourselves.

Im still toying with the idea of getting the VW90 back for just 2D and keeping the Acer for 3D. I REALLY likie the 2D picture, very much so. I'm scared the JVC won't be as good for 2D.
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post #523 of 1323
12/19/10 at 8:26am
The 2D is indeed phenominal on the VW90...I don't think I can part with mine...I will post my humble opinion of the comparisons between the RS40 and the Sony VW90 no later than this coming Wednesday. It will be interesting to see how the RS looks (out of the box) as well as somewhat calibrated after being used to the Sony for several days...I think I will be able to give a very honest and descriptive comparison as I am a fan boy of neither unit...
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post #524 of 1323
12/19/10 at 8:42am
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You should point it out. At least then we can check.
I also don't like Motion Enhancer on for movies either.
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post #525 of 1323
12/19/10 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Im still toying with the idea of getting the VW90 back for just 2D and keeping the Acer for 3D. I REALLY likie the 2D picture, very much so. I'm scared the JVC won't be as good for 2D.



It is true that the 2D performance of the Sony are exceptional.

My JVC rs20 was great too... But there something on the sony that I really like, it make the picture look like a big plasma. Maybe the ansi contrast, maybe the sharpeness or the motion handling or just a bit of all that combine...
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post #526 of 1323
12/19/10 at 10:06am
Since you asked....

With FI on in 3D on the Sony, any moderate speed panning causes the picture to get very jagged. It basically looks like half the resolution is gone, and as soon as the panning stops the picture "snaps" back into sharpness. I'm not talking about a slight loss of sharpness either. I'm talking about upscale dvd quality bad. It was so bad that I thought it might be in the source, so I ran some tests and it was definetely the Sony FI that was causing this effect. It's as if the Sony processor is not strong enough to apply FI for two different images at the same time and has to compensate by dropping the resolution during panning.

watch for any moderate panning scene, and try to focus on things like leaves or bricks, or any type of texture. Watch what happens to the detail when the panning starts

Monster House 3D, at the start when the girl is driving round on her tricycle, and the camera is panning with her. Look at the leaves and sidewalk or anything really in the backround and watch what happens to the picture. The sharpness is constantly going in and out and it looks horrible!!. Look at the fat kid with the stupid mask when the parents pull up in the car, and watch his face. It goes from a blurry jagged mess, and snaps into sharpness when the camera stops panning. I could go on and on, but there is no point. If you can't see it, then good for you. It's also very visible in Despicable Me, and pretty much any animated movie I tried. It wasn't as obvious in darker animated movies like Polar Express, or Christmas Carol.

BTW, there are no motion issues in 3D with FI off. It looks fine
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post #527 of 1323
12/19/10 at 10:39am
Joe!...The 2D to 3D conversion works AWESOME for football!...I didn't think it would be good, but it is great!...Use Dynamic mode, and FI on High, simulated 3D effect on medium, and X103 glasses on high...
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post #528 of 1323
12/19/10 at 10:53am
Holy crap!...decided to try scaling the Directv 1080i signal to 1080P 60 through my receivers processor, and the image is even better!...I'm stoked!...Football will never be same!...I'm loving this...
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post #529 of 1323
12/19/10 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

Joe!...The 2D to 3D conversion works AWESOME for football!...I didn't think it would be good, but it is great!...Use Dynamic mode, and FI on High, simulated 3D effect on medium, and X103 glasses on high...

Welcome to 3rd Quarter 3D!!!
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post #530 of 1323
12/19/10 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

Holy crap!...decided to try scaling the Directv 1080i signal to 1080P 60 through my receivers processor, and the image is even better!...I'm stoked!...Football will never be same!...I'm loving this...

That's why I was a little shocked when everyone was talking about 1080i to the VW90ES. I had been sending in 1080i or 720p (native from DirecTV) to my DVDO DUO and then having it send out 1080p to the VW90ES. I have excellent results that way. Even having the Duo send out 1080i it looks good as well.
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post #531 of 1323
12/19/10 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Since you asked....

With FI on in 3D on the Sony, any moderate speed panning causes the picture to get very jagged. It basically looks like half the resolution is gone, and as soon as the panning stops the picture "snaps" back into sharpness. I'm not talking about a slight loss of sharpness either. I'm talking about upscale dvd quality bad. It was so bad that I thought it might be in the source, so I ran some tests and it was definetely the Sony FI that was causing this effect. It's as if the Sony processor is not strong enough to apply FI for two different images at the same time and has to compensate by dropping the resolution during panning.

watch for any moderate panning scene, and try to focus on things like leaves or bricks, or any type of texture. Watch what happens to the detail when the panning starts

Monster House 3D, at the start when the girl is driving round on her tricycle, and the camera is panning with her. Look at the leaves and sidewalk or anything really in the backround and watch what happens to the picture. The sharpness is constantly going in and out and it looks horrible!!. Look at the fat kid with the stupid mask when the parents pull up in the car, and watch his face. It goes from a blurry jagged mess, and snaps into sharpness when the camera stops panning. I could go on and on, but there is no point. If you can't see it, then good for you. It's also very visible in Despicable Me, and pretty much any animated movie I tried. It wasn't as obvious in darker animated movies like Polar Express, or Christmas Carol.

BTW, there are no motion issues in 3D with FI off. It looks fine

I tried Chuck's settings at halftime and I/we did not see anything drastic with the image. Also the 1/3 top or even bottom displayed no constant ghosting. That was doing Monster House 3D. We played it up to the point with Chowder and his mask moment. I love that kid! Didn't we all have a friend like him growing up in our neighborhood?

Anyway Conan I do see little ghosting at times. Not enough to make me return my VW90ES but if I was seeing 1/3 of the image with constant ghosting I would certainly do just that. I don't blame you one bit. I still am curious about how the JVC RS40 will do for you.
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post #532 of 1323
12/19/10 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

That's why I was a little shocked when everyone was talking about 1080i to the VW90ES. I had been sending in 1080i or 720p (native from DirecTV) to my DVDO DUO and then having it send out 1080p to the VW90ES. I have excellent results that way. Even having the Duo send out 1080i it looks good as well.

Joe...I still think sending 1080i looks better for most channels on Directv, but for some reason when watching HD football, it seems that 1080P looks best. Could this be because of using FI?
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post #533 of 1323
12/19/10 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

Joe...I still think sending 1080i looks better for most channels on Directv, but for some reason when watching HD football, it seems that 1080P looks best. Could this be because of using FI?

Time to "play" more I guess. I actually always thought the Sony models had more of an effect on 1080i sources when it came to adding FI (Motion Enhancer)...
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post #534 of 1323
12/19/10 at 7:11pm
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Quick update. Just tested Shrek 3D and did not see an ounce of ghosting. Then tested the first 10 minutes of Avatar 3D. Simply amazing. My 90ES had been on all day for football and then Despicable Me. Btw, I requested a standing ovation at the end. Just kidding. Anyway I then just tested Alice In Wonderland which also looked very good. Finally went back to A Christmas Carol and noticed very light. Ghosting in the candles in the beginning of the movie.

On a side note I just ordered Under The Sea 3D.
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post #535 of 1323
12/19/10 at 7:22pm
Yesterday I played all 3D content and really didn't get alot of time to play 2D stuff, so today I decided to watch football and then watch some 2D blu-rays...wow!...I just can't believe how great the picture looks!...I bought one of the new Panasonic blu-ray players so I could watch Avatar 3D, and anyways, I noticed today that it has that Vudu player...so I used my free $5.99 movie credit to rent "Toy Story 3" and I was expecting the movie download to look like crap...I have DSL light so I had to download the SD version, so I was really expecting the movie to look horrible, but to my utter amazment, the Sony VW90 made this movie look like a frickin blu-ray disc!...The colors were poping off the screen and my wife who never ever comments on one projector over another, say's, "Wow honey this new projector you bought is amazing!"...and I said, babe, this is a crappy SD download from Vudu!...She couldn't believe it. I have since been poping in blu-ray movies and calibrating my ass off...I don't think I can part with this thing. Crap...All I have to say is my JVC that's coming Tuesday has it's work cut out for it...
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post #536 of 1323
12/19/10 at 7:44pm
I find it amazing that some people have no ghosting and others have lots like me, Thrang, Petri, etc. I just watched Shrek about a week ago and it was one of the worst titles for ghosting, especially the third one. Anyway, it would be interesting to read dogones comments anyway regarding the JVC. Since I cannot return another projector to my dealer (probably could, but it wouldn't be right) I can put up the brand new x7 at a slight loss on the classifieds and just stick to what I've go now. Dogone, what was your previous projector?

Dogone, I have to admit I checked out your theater in your sig and it's pretty nice setup. I hope to do something similar in my new house.
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post #537 of 1323
12/19/10 at 7:59pm
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I find it amazing that some people have no ghosting and others have lots like me, Thrang, Petri, etc. I just watched Shrek about a week ago and it was one of the worst titles for ghosting, especially the third one. Anyway, it would be interesting to read dogones comments anyway regarding the JVC. Since I cannot return another projector to my dealer (probably could, but it wouldn't be right) I can put up the brand new x7 at a slight loss on the classifieds and just stick to what I've go now. Dogone, what was your previous projector?

Dogone, I have to admit I checked out your theater in your sig and it's pretty nice setup. I hope to do something similar in my new house.

Hey bro...You just got a bit spoiled with the lack of ghosting on the Acer unit...Now, let's look at some reality...You know as well as me that after the initial thrill of watching the limited amount of 3D material, most of us are going to be watching cable or Satellite TV, Blu-ray, upscaled DVD's through Oppo...etc. So I just want the best for that, and the 3D is great to have when you want to have some fun with your family etc...This unit would suit me fine, until something better comes out. Believe me!...I'm really hoping the JVC will beat the Sony for 2D as well as 3D...It will put more $$ in my pocket...But...From what I have witnessed today...I dunno, This Sony Just seems to have it all as far as 2D and the 3D ain't too shabby...
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post #538 of 1323
12/19/10 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

Hey bro...You just got a bit spoiled with the lack of ghosting on the Acer unit...Now, let's look at some reality...You know as well as me that after the initial thrill of watching the limited amount of 3D material, most of us are going to be watching cable or Satellite TV, Blu-ray, upscaled DVD's through Oppo...etc. So I just want the best for that, and the 3D is great to have when you want to have some fun with your family etc...This unit would suit me fine, until something better comes out. Believe me!...I'm really hoping the JVC will beat the Sony for 2D as well as 3D...It will put more $$ in my pocket...But...From what I have witnessed today...I dunno, This Sony Just seems to have it all as far as 2D and the 3D ain't too shabby...

I have been playing with the 3D settings, the only movie I have is Despicable Me, and there is serious ghosting for me!!! on the projector menu, i have been playing with the "depth" parameter, where you go from -2 to +2, this corrects the ghosting in the middle of the image, but the bottom half of the image now shows ghosting, and some scenes I will have to adjust it to the other side...can't really enjoy the whole movie like this.
Before I made any adjustment, I asked my wife to see if she noticed anything, she said the ghost was on the right hand side, but when I put on the same pair of glasses, it's on the left hand side for me???!!! this tells me that it has a lot to do with the individual person's vision when viewing the 3D content. unless everyone have the same vision, whatever I calibrate will only be good for me, but not for anyone else.
I have a thought, when I first set up my projector, i had to use the lens adjust to zoom in, and also shift the image to the right, and down a bit as well, then I have to adjust the vertical keystone to -19, which is what it is right now. For those of you that have zero ghosting, did you have to adjust anything? I think the position of the projector may have something to do with the 3D content.
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post #539 of 1323
12/20/10 at 4:12am
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I have been playing with the 3D settings, the only movie I have is Despicable Me, and there is serious ghosting for me!!! on the projector menu, i have been playing with the "depth" parameter, where you go from -2 to +2, this corrects the ghosting in the middle of the image, but the bottom half of the image now shows ghosting, and some scenes I will have to adjust it to the other side...can't really enjoy the whole movie like this.
Before I made any adjustment, I asked my wife to see if she noticed anything, she said the ghost was on the right hand side, but when I put on the same pair of glasses, it's on the left hand side for me???!!! this tells me that it has a lot to do with the individual person's vision when viewing the 3D content. unless everyone have the same vision, whatever I calibrate will only be good for me, but not for anyone else.
I have a thought, when I first set up my projector, i had to use the lens adjust to zoom in, and also shift the image to the right, and down a bit as well, then I have to adjust the vertical keystone to -19, which is what it is right now. For those of you that have zero ghosting, did you have to adjust anything? I think the position of the projector may have something to do with the 3D content.

I never touch the depth options. I just leave them at zero. I also have keystone at defaults (0). I do have my lens shifted down some and then a drop to the left. Then I use Blanking just a few notches on the sides and top. This is crazy how some get horrible ghosting and others hardly any. And believe me I am searching for it. Now every movie all I do is look for it!
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post #540 of 1323
12/20/10 at 4:14am
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

bought one of the new Panasonic blu-ray players so I could watch Avatar 3D

is the oppo 93 not updated yet to play avatar?

Thanks
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